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Huh?

I was being facetious with my first 3 sentences. Of course we all watch TV with our eyes. Of course I'm curious as to what Apple can do, but the competition is not standing idly by. A previous poster wished he could search across multiple channels and Roku already does that. I'd pay more a month for Hulu if episodes didn't expire. While there are commercials is much less than broadcast TV.
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Ah, I believe the first sentence is a reference to your statement regarding "the way we watch television". It's obviously just a misinterpretation of your meaning.

Thanks, when it comes to the Apple branded TV you and I are in agreement.
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Boy that Siri implementation expectation is persistent.
Worst possible idea... Shrug..

If it's the only method for input, sure, that's a horrible idea, same as if an iPhone that only had Siri for input is a horrible idea, but there are things Siri can do faster then we can do with our fingers on a touchscreen, keyboard or remote control.

For your phone:

"Remind me to pick up the dry cleaning when I leave work."


For your TV:

"Record tonight's Rock Center on NBC."

"Record all new episodes of Last Resort."

"Record everything with Jack Nicholson."

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Should Apple sell a flip phone alongside the iPhone? A laptop that spins its screen to turn into a "tablet" alongside the iPad?

Apple throws a dart and hits the center. Everyone else fills the gaps.
What does that have to do with a television set. Who is selling a flip phone with iOS on it? Or a convertible laptop with OS X? If Apple is thinking of revolutionizing the TV space don't tell me they're content with having this amazing UI and content on a TV screen with a Samsung logo on it. Of course people don't replace their TV's that frequently and have multiple TV's in their home, so I can see Apple offering a set top box type option too.
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Originally Posted by winstein2010 View Post

I'll bet Apple had the TV designed already. Just waiting for the technology to be ready and for the media contracts to fall into place.

yep, they sure have, for about 5 years now they keep showing the same minimalist TV behind their product on their own website.

AI, don't you get it?  It's not going to look like the Thunderbolt display, it's not going to look like the iMac.  It probably won't look like that thing on the Apple TV website either.  However, that image has darken the Webiste for at least 5 years now.  So they must have some idea what Apple thinks their TV should look like.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
What does that have to do with a television set.

 

Directly mirrors the supposition at hand.

 

If Apple is thinking of revolutionizing the TV space don't tell me they're content with having this amazing UI and content on a TV screen with a Samsung logo on it.
 

It tells you a lot more than it says (it says three words), meaning that you're inferring most of it.


 Of course people don't replace their TV's that frequently and have multiple TV's in their home, so I can see Apple offering a set top box type option too.

 

Hence my examples showing that this isn't Apple's style.

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post #88 of 191
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Directly mirrors the supposition at hand.

It tells you a lot more than it says (it says three words), meaning that you're inferring most of it.

Hence my examples showing that this isn't Apple's style.
yes because you're always in tune with Apple's style. And that's why the iPad mini never happened. lol.gif
post #89 of 191
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


You are completely ignoring or not seeing the scope of the issue if you think the YoY iPhone changes are in any the same as Apple doing a TV. This is a completely different paradigm with a completely different set of rules. Until you address those issues and proffered some viable option for circumventing or working within the paradigm you have not presented anything that could conceivably be the "cracked nut" that Jobs referred to.
The very fact that you think the solution is simply a big as monitor with an Apple logo on it is proof that you have not thought it through because a big ass monitor with an Apple logo is not something difficult to do. There are plenty of difficulties affecting the way we watch television and yet only a few people on this forum seem to give that any regard

I think the problem is the TV paradigm is wrong.  Cable didnt' change the paradigm, it just multiplied it by 100.  the iPhone changed the model from a phone with a web browser, to a computer with a phone app.

 

Apple TV would be a computer application with video content management system tailored to me, assessible on what ever device I currently closest to my personal device.

 

 

 

I didn't say it's an Big Apple Monitor.   I said it would be be bigger (so the progression from iPhone/PodTouch - iPad Mini, iPad, MBA, MBP, iMac, Mac Pro/Cinema, then... the TV made by Apple (as opposed to AppleTV).  Nor did I infer the difficulty is in in the size. 

 

The Difficulty is not how we 'watch' television.   the iPad pretty much solves the 'watching' problem. The Difficulty is how we 'navigate features/content' from multiple sources.  The TV model hasn't changed since.... radio.  It's a network deciding when/howmany content should be delivered to l generate the most revenue .  The apple solution has to build a 'MyChannel' from Internet/OTA/Cable sources, which you can search by just saying "I'd like to watch the Football Game" and that context have it decide I mean the most recent Pittsburgh Steeler or Iowa Hawkeye game.  Not needing to understand satellite channel, cable channel, torrent, BigTenApp, OTA channel, whatever.  Doing that without the person buying an intermediary device that is in house that requires the person to learn how to debug connectivity problems (Apple will NOT send a technician to your house), one that holds true to their 'experience design.' and not about building another product line independent of their other products... they not only complement each other, they are interdependent to each other, in a semi-open way. (They don't want to be another Sony).  That's the difficulty.  

 

The glass is the easy part.  


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The HDTV would need to have a longer lifeline of support than what apple currently does for many of its products. People will hold onto that 40" tv for a decade; will that TV be supported by apple's software updates in a decade? As providers change the software requirements to keep up with more modern functionality, can that hardware maintain? A $100 set top box is far easier to replace than a $1500 HDTV.

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They do sell their MacBook lines and iMac alongside the Mac mini and Mac Pro. That would be an equivalent to an Apple HDTV and Apple TV where the later in each can be connected to non-Apple monitors. For the Mac mini it's an option for those that want to spend less to get a Mac and for the Mac Pro it's for those that have unique monitor needs that Apple can't supply with their single monitor solution.
Yes, sell an ATV type device for people who don't want to buy or aren't in the need for a new TV. And offer a kick ass TV for those who are in the market/can afford it. Apple sells displays, why is it so hard for people to think they could sell a TV set? Of course I don't see any of this happening until they get content deals worked out. They don't want to be just another Google or Samsung in the TV space.
post #92 of 191

When are you people going to get it?

 

Siri doesn't "just work"...well

Siri would be an pain in the ass...on a TV

Siri is not the center of all iOS devices, it's not the be-all/end-all of anything...yet

Siri is a toy...a hobby...an nice to have but not need to have.

 

Just imagine how crap Siri would be in the living room, sitting down with the family, people talking, laughing, crying.  Siri can't even deal with basic background noise much less in very closed quarters...not to mention if you watch TV later at night and don't want to wake the rest of the household by talking to your TV.  There are many more examples of how this is a bad idea...but we've all gone over them about a million times on these forums already.

 

Siri for TV UI is the dumbest idea.

post #93 of 191
Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
yes because you're always in tune with Apple's style. And that's why the iPad mini never happened. lol.gif

And this does what to refute the point I've made? What did I say that was in any way supposition on my own part? It is YOU who is making suppositions.1confused.gif

 

I maintain that the iPad mini was a terrible idea.

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post #94 of 191
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The HDTV would need to have a longer lifeline of support than what apple currently does for many of its products. People will hold onto that 40" tv for a decade; will that TV be supported by apple's software updates in a decade? As providers change the software requirements to keep up with more modern functionality, can that hardware maintain? A $100 set top box is far easier to replace than a $1500 HDTV.
Sad fact is there's nothing sexy about a $100 set top box. Unles Apple comes up with something so mind blowing it will be a collective ho-hum from the market. I'd love a TV solution where the only cord I have is a power cord for the TV. And no other clutter. Someone please invent that.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

Not many people had smartphones before the iPhone and even less owned a tablet but everyone has at least one TV. It was easy for people to give up feature(less) phones for the iPhone. Don't see people dumping their $1000+ TV for a Apple branded TV.
Define not many. People DID dump their Blackberries and Windows smartphones to buy a $700 iPhone. It's not as if there weren't a significant amount of smartphone users out there already. They weren't all upgrading from feature phones to smartphones. Likewise, many Blackberry and Windows phone users did not dump their phones because their companies would not allow it. I see a similar ratio to TVs. And nobody said anything about people dumping their $1000+ TVs ... Most will justify the purchase by moving the living room TV into the bedroom, or a kids room, or a den. The customer Apple targets is by no means a one-TV household. And to the extent that's a small percentage of the average TV set buyer, Apple will happily take it, never having been afraid of small marketshare, only small margins.

You also incorrectly assume the TV market is somehow saturated ... As if all the major TV manufacturers are about to gout of business because everybody has a flat screen TV and won't be buying a new one for many years, or a second, or a third, or upgrading the ones they got for new features. I have friends who bought a new TV every time there was an improvement: 32" to 46", 46" to 52", Plasma to LCD, 720p to 1080p, 60Hz to 120Hz, LED, 120Hz - 240Hz, 3D, integrated web, etc. This is exactly Apple's customer. So what makes you think they won't do the exact same thing when Apple comes out with a superior product, or more importantly choose to spend a little more on an Apple when buying a brand new TV?
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post #96 of 191
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Okay: Please tell me why ANYONE would purchase a $2,000 product that does the exact same thing as a $99 product, and I don't have to dispose of my old television with the latter.

 

Apparently that was unclear.

 

Because a new TV isn't $99, unless you watch everything on this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23153%3B+-+19%26%2334%3B+Class+(18-1/2%26%2334%3B+Diag.)+-+LED+-+720p+-+60Hz+-+HDTV/5606251.p?id=1218671114012&skuId=5606251

 

I'd rather spend 2000 (no idea where you got that number) on an apple full tv than 1500 to samsung + 100 for an apple tv box, if i were looking to buy a new tv.

 

However, no one is talking about disposing pre-existing televisions.  My remarks were in context of someone suggesting that apple could sell both a full-fledged television and an apple Tv box contemporaneously, which is perfectly reasonable, at least to most people.  Very analogous to iMac/Mac mini (which was designed for 'switchers' who already had a monitor and keyboard/mouse)

 

I'm not sure I can be clearer.

 

Again, not saying they should make a tv, but its really not hard to comprehend the might produce a television (with much higher margins) along side the apple tv in a form not too dissimilar to how it now is now in order to gain a foothold into the market. That way, when someone is up for a new television set they might just buy the apple tv.  Halo effect.

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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

I'd rather spend 2000 (no idea where you got that number) on an apple full tv than 1500 to samsung + 100 for an apple tv box, if i were looking to buy a new tv.

 

Non-upgradability is worth $400 to you?

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Expect full fledged TV with Loewe designs...
http://www.loewe.tv/int
Time will tell.

IF Apple were to make a real TV, it would be with Apple designs.

That said, I'm not taking the word of some analyst, after all they will say whatever makes the clients happy

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post #99 of 191
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Non-upgradability is worth $400 to you?
I can only assume you're talking about the Apple TV box since the standing rationale around here is people buy and keep their TVs for years without upgrading the hardware.

Apple will most likely support far more upgrades to that Apple TV set than you'll ever get from Roku or Samsung.
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I think the problem is the TV paradigm is wrong.  Cable didnt' change the paradigm, it just multiplied it by 100.  the iPhone changed the model from a phone with a web browser, to a computer with a phone app.

Apple TV would be a computer application with video content management system tailored to me, assessible on what ever device I currently closest to my personal device.



I didn't say it's an Big Apple Monitor.   I said it would be be bigger (so the progression from iPhone/PodTouch - iPad Mini, iPad, MBA, MBP, iMac, Mac Pro/Cinema, then... the TV made by Apple (as opposed to AppleTV).  Nor did I infer the difficulty is in in the size. 

The Difficulty is not how we 'watch' television.   the iPad pretty much solves the 'watching' problem. The Difficulty is how we 'navigate features/content' from multiple sources.  The TV model hasn't changed since.... radio.  It's a network deciding when/howmany content should be delivered to l generate the most revenue .  The apple solution has to build a 'MyChannel' from Internet/OTA/Cable sources, which you can search by just saying "I'd like to watch the Football Game" and that context have it decide I mean the most recent Pittsburgh Steeler or Iowa Hawkeye game.  Not needing to understand satellite channel, cable channel, torrent, BigTenApp, OTA channel, whatever.  Doing that without the person buying an intermediary device that is in house that requires the person to learn how to debug connectivity problems (Apple will NOT send a technician to your house), one that holds true to their 'experience design.' and not about building another product line independent of their other products... they not only complement each other, they are interdependent to each other, in a semi-open way. (They don't want to be another Sony).  That's the difficulty.  

The glass is the easy part.  

Sure the TV model has changed. Although not perfect gone are the days of having to schedule your life in order not to miss a show. I watch very few shows when broadcast
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post #101 of 191
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When are you people going to get it?

Siri doesn't "just work"...well
Siri would be an pain in the ass...on a TV
Siri is not the center of all iOS devices, it's not the be-all/end-all of anything...yet
Siri is a toy...a hobby...an nice to have but not need to have.

Just imagine how crap Siri would be in the living room, sitting down with the family, people talking, laughing, crying.  Siri can't even deal with basic background noise much less in very closed quarters...not to mention if you watch TV later at night and don't want to wake the rest of the household by talking to your TV.  There are many more examples of how this is a bad idea...but we've all gone over them about a million times on these forums already.

Siri for TV UI is the dumbest idea.

Nothing you've stated makes any sense unless you want to describe how Siri on my iPhone or iPad is completely pointless when I'm around other people, using the phone, or watching TV whilst using my iPhone or iPad.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Should Apple sell a flip phone alongside the iPhone? A laptop that spins its screen to turn into a "tablet" alongside the iPad?

 

Apple throws a dart and hits the center. Everyone else fills the gaps.


... but Apple does sell an all in one computer along with the Mac Mini.

 

I'm looking for the center in that combination.

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post #103 of 191
They can build the hardware but can't do it without the content - Just restating the obvious for the millionth time! This article is pointless.
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Sure the TV model has changed. Although not perfect gone are the days of having to schedule your life in order not to miss a show. I watch very few shows when broadcast

That is not the model being changed.   There is no refactoring there... you shimmed a device into the model, to adjust it to your liking.  The actual choice of content hasn't changed, the delivery method hasn't changed, the payment method hasn't change (other than you adding costs to the model), the Other 500 shows that you didn't watch are still being paid for by your dime... Advertisers are seeking (or avoiding) your demographic and the lack of ability of content to attract critical mass of eyeballs may terminate your show.

 

 

 

Your sample size of one (or 1 Million) isn't a new industry  model. My (80yo) mother can't run a DVR, let alone wire one up to her cable box.   Video on demand isn't portable. My Mother can use an (G5) iMac and an iPhone.   before then she had neither a computer or a smartphone, and could barely use her flip phone without someone else programming it.  Now, she can program it herself.

 

Again, look at the world before iMac... and after.

before iPod and ITMS... and then after

before iPhone.... and after

Before iPad... and after

 

Those are models being changed... 

post #105 of 191
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Non-upgradability is worth $400 to you?

If the 400 delta buys me the quality and longevity of an Apple Device.

 

See iMac.  (I'm still running G5's in my fleet)

See Batteries in a MBA or an iPhone.  (my white 2009 macbook is flagging 'replace battery soon', otherwise, it worked great for my wife).

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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post
See iMac.


The iMac offers large hardware improvements over the Mac Mini. 

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That is not the model being changed.   There is no refactoring there... you shimmed a device into the model, to adjust it to your liking.  The actual choice of content hasn't changed, the delivery method hasn't changed, the payment method hasn't change (other than you adding costs to the model), the Other 500 shows that you didn't watch are still being paid for by your dime... Advertisers are seeking (or avoiding) your demographic and the lack of ability of content to attract critical mass of eyeballs may terminate your show.



Your sample size of one (or 1 Million) isn't a new industry  model. My (80yo) mother can't run a DVR, let alone wire one up to her cable box.   Video on demand isn't portable. My Mother can use an (G5) iMac and an iPhone.   before then she had neither a computer or a smartphone, and could barely use her flip phone without someone else programming it.  Now, she can program it herself.

Again, look at the world before iMac... and after.
before iPod and ITMS... and then after
before iPhone.... and after
Before iPad... and after

Those are models being changed... 

My 97yo grandmother can't use an iPhone or a Mac. Does that mean those devices have no market? To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "those users are not the focus because they will eventually be gone." So why does your grandmother have to know how to use any current DVR for others to enjoy what Apple could bring to the table tomorrow? Imagine if people in 2006 said, "My grandmother doesn't use a smartphone so it's foolish for Apple to make a smartphone."

I have no doubt that if Apple releases a new device/service for the TV it will change the game just as they have done in the past. Note that they have consistently changed the game not being doing the same or the opposite, just by coming at it from a different perspective. I don't think the common perspective of they need to abolish all ties with anything and everything that is currently being done is the right one just I as didn't think that Apple shouldn't work with telcos to bring the iPhone to the world.

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I'd rather spend 2000 (no idea where you got that number) on an apple full tv than 1500 to samsung + 100 for an apple tv box, if i were looking to buy a new tv.

 

I do think Apple will stay out of the high high end.  Much like Mac Servers, 17" tablets, Gamer Tuned Graphics in PCs and Laptops, , Apple won't be selling 88" Plasma TVs.

 

and the $400 delta here, in this example, it would manage my OTA/Cable search as well as the ITMS library ("Siri, I think Notre Dame is playing Basketball right now, please tune in the game..."  instead of me trying to find it on the 30 odd channels of sports channels and apps (apps will be the new 'channels')).

 

Now, my temporary panacea is that the $100 AppleTV box will have a Coax connector and do the same.  Still that leads me to two remotes, a decision on how to do sound cabling to HT, etc.

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Apple TV could happen yet is dead at the moment.
I have pointed out possible advantages.
I also find a $150 box could do 98% of Apples needs.
Apple is targeting getting Internet devices to most electronics.
Current versions of Apple devices show that Apple would require more than is possible.
Apple has what it is needed.
I prefer a Apple TV with screen.
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So why does your grandmother have to know how to use any current DVR for others to enjoy what Apple could bring to the table tomorrow? Imagine if people in 2006 said, "My grandmother doesn't use a smartphone so it's foolish for Apple to make a smartphone."
 
I have no doubt that if Apple releases a new device/service for the TV it will change the game just as they have done in the past. Note that they have consistently changed the game not being doing the same or the opposite, just by coming at it from a different perspective.
 
I don't think the common perspective of they need to abolish all ties with anything and everything that is currently being done is the right one just I as didn't think that Apple shouldn't work with telcos to bring the iPhone to the world.

1) If my 80 can do it, then a  65 yo can do it, and 65 is where the money is.

But then you start arguing my point.  so I guess I should shut up.

 

2) a different perspective is eliminating the complexity through computational power and ease of a single interface.   That's my argument.  You make it sound revolutionary.

 

3) as for your last point.  Cable and Networks are the Music Stores/Labels and bookstores/publishers of TV.   When it comes to content (and in the end, it's all about the content).  Apple wants to be the 'store' and get it's 30%.   Hence, they are in direct business conflict with Cable companies, and indirect conflict with Network advertisers, just like they were in direct conflict with wireless 'features' since they were sticky to the wireless carrier (email, voicemail, browsing, contacts, etc).   The only way this makes sense is for Apple to eliminate the waste of the current system, and bring a quantum change to the value proposition, like they did with ipods, phones, and tablets.

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My 97yo grandmother can't use an iPhone or a Mac. Does that mean those devices have no market? To paraphrase Steve Jobs, "those users are not the focus because they will eventually be gone." So why does your grandmother have to know how to use any current DVR for others to enjoy what Apple could bring to the table tomorrow? Imagine if people in 2006 said, "My grandmother doesn't use a smartphone so it's foolish for Apple to make a smartphone."
I have no doubt that if Apple releases a new device/service for the TV it will change the game just as they have done in the past. Note that they have consistently changed the game not being doing the same or the opposite, just by coming at it from a different perspective. I don't think the common perspective of they need to abolish all ties with anything and everything that is currently being done is the right one just I as didn't think that Apple shouldn't work with telcos to bring the iPhone to the world.

The beauty of the iPhone and a major selling point is that it could be unlocked and used on telcos around the world that didn't sell it. Everyone keeps talking about content deals but most will be only good in the States. We're all thinking selfishly in that regard, how about Europe, South America, China, etc? It would have to be something that can be sold worldwide not just in the US.
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That is not the model being changed.   There is no refactoring there... you shimmed a device into the model, to adjust it to your liking.  The actual choice of content hasn't changed, the delivery method hasn't changed, the payment method hasn't change (other than you adding costs to the model), the Other 500 shows that you didn't watch are still being paid for by your dime... Advertisers are seeking (or avoiding) your demographic and the lack of ability of content to attract critical mass of eyeballs may terminate your show.



Your sample size of one (or 1 Million) isn't a new industry  model. My (80yo) mother can't run a DVR, let alone wire one up to her cable box.   Video on demand isn't portable. My Mother can use an (G5) iMac and an iPhone.   before then she had neither a computer or a smartphone, and could barely use her flip phone without someone else programming it.  Now, she can program it herself.

Again, look at the world before iMac... and after.
before iPod and ITMS... and then after
before iPhone.... and after
Before iPad... and after

Those are models being changed... 

What other choice of content would you like besides TV shows, movies, and games?

Do you want it delivered by reverse osmosis? There's OTA, coaxial, and fiber right now. What new and un-thought of way is there?

It's been proven that the $2.99 per show isn't a option many will jump on.
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Apple+TV = Big Brother with a robotic woman's voice

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The beauty of the iPhone and a major selling point is that it could be unlocked and used on telcos around the world that didn't sell it. Everyone keeps talking about content deals but most will be only good in the States. We're all thinking selfishly in that regard, how about Europe, South America, China, etc? It would have to be something that can be sold worldwide not just in the US.

Look at the iPhone as an example. The first was AT&T, then called Cingular, in the US. Then it expanded to few other carriers in other countries; i think 5 in total and none where the #1 carrier in their respective markets. Then it's grown carrier by carrier with contracts. Eventually it even moved to Verizon and Sprint with new HW and contracts.

This is how I expect Apple would could sell a device that has to be adaptable for various protocols and contracts needed. You start with a powerful partner (but not necessarily the most powerful for that market) and move from there.

There is nothing wrong with expecting Apple to focus on the US first. This is their home market. This is their largest single market. Someone usually points out that Apple does most of their business outside the US (which is correct) but they do far more business in the US than any other country in the world.

As with iTunes Store the content will mirror what is available for those countries. That means many countries will not have TV Shows or Movies readily available. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Hopefully one day these deals will become worldwide and all available right after the last market aires the episode or after the theater demand dies down, and available for a reasonable price. If those things happen then torrents and newsgroups could become more trouble than they are worth for many people who have the money and desire to pay for content.

However, that's just content but TV systems are various HW types even within the US so we're not talking about something as simple as some additional power amps for the same 3G baseband HW, like in the iPhone, but a lot more sophisticated HW to be adaptable across the globe.

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You make it sound revolutionary.

It's never been done before for the HEC so it would be revolutionary.
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Cable and Networks are the Music Stores/Labels and bookstores/publishers of TV.

Unless you can only go to music/bookstores/publishers to enjoy the content then it's not the same. Cable companies provide the internet. If Apple wants to piggyback on their network with content they already offer their existing customers they will have to work with them, not against them, or we all lose.

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They were just talking about this on CNBC and all the guys who think they're so smart said Apple would come out with a TV set. Of course these same yahoos whined that Apple released too many products this year and people are going to think twice now about buying Apple stuff because of concerns over shelf life. 1rolleyes.gif let's not forget the people complaining now were the same ones saying Apple has to release a smaller iPad to compete with the Kindle Fire. Now they're complaining that Apple released too many products with not enough differentiation. And even iPhone and iPad mini supplies were a negative with one clown suggesting because iPhone shipping times have decreased that means fewer people are buying the product. Of course if iPhone shipping times were still 2-3 weeks then they'd be complaining about Apple not managing their supply chain effectively. It's basically heads I win tails you lose. Even though they're all hating on Apple they've upped their target on iPhone sales to 50M so if Apple doesn't sell at least 50M this quarter it will be a failure. 1rolleyes.gif

Yogi Berra would say: "nobody buys iPhones anymore because they're too popular".
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Yogi Berra would say: "nobody buys iPhones anymore because they're too popular".

Or nobody goes to Apple stores anymore because they're too crowded.
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post #118 of 191

TiVos come to mind, this had better be better than those (and that's possible) or it's no sale for me.

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Expect full fledged TV with Loewe designs...
http://www.loewe.tv/int
Time will tell.

This is the second time you linked to Loewe, please stop. Their AirSpeaker is a dodgy box, I've had two.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Why stick with a set-top box when even in *this* segment, Apple can design and release a complete turn-key solution - hardware AND software?

Apple software running on someone else's non-Apple branded and non-Apple designed hardware makes no sense as a long-term strategy. It is not a solution. Treat the TV like any other device to be re-imagined. The "computer" itself, MP3 players, phones, tablets, and now TVs. Same deal. Just another device to re-make. 

Exactly. But you're in the wrong forum, because most people around here, not including me, will disagree with that comment.
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