Apple and Microsoft at odds over SkyDrive app subscription fees [ux2] - Page 3

 

So you would prefer people who use MS at work, and have Office, buy a Surface. That is the absurdity of these rules.

What is interesting to me is how none of the mac websites have publicized that when you share a file from the skydrive website it doesn't open, stream or work at all an ANY iPad. To be fare it does work on iPhones and iPod Touches etc.. and on Macs but not on any iPad.

 

If that's the only reason you are buying a tablet, as in the hypothetical situation given, that would seem to be your best bet since Microsoft always makes sure Office works best on its own platforms. Admittedly, it's far fetched, but that was his scenario.

 

 

Maybe.  But a lot of people (myself included) feel SkyDrive is a very good cloud choice for business and iCloud isn't even on the radar.  So while I have no MS love and rarely use their products, SkyDrive is well worth the fee.  I generally use SkyDrive for large amounts of backups and storage, DropBox for easy sharing of smaller files and iCloud for backing up my Apple idevices.  

 

MS may truly suck as a company, but iCloud is behind SkyDrive in usefulness for many folks.

 

You should really try not to embarrass yourself this badly, but it's rare we see so many things wrong with such short posts.

 

First of all, people buying things on their iOS devices don't, "pay 30% to Apple." They don't pay anything to Apple, unless they are buying something from Apple.

 

Secondly, developers are not permitted to sell "real world goods" using In-App Purchasing. So, if you download an app and use it to buy something on eBay, it won't be using In-App Purchasing, and no one will be paying 30% of anything to Apple unless Apple is the one selling what you bought on eBay.

 

Please, if you just absolutely have no idea what you are talking about, educate yourself a bit before you post.

annoymouse the great defender of the IAP ripoff. Not getting paid by Apple but their greatest defender.

It's simple. This policy is wrong and misguided. It stops vendors with their own credit card facilities having a simple button to pay for content when running on the iPad or pay the 30% tax, it has caused microsoft and others to delay or abandon apps for the iPad, it makes life worse for consumers. It's lose lose. Apples dumbest move. Dumber than maps.

Tim Cook - tear down that wall.

 

I am not sure what you are trying to say here, did you mean to say 'Apple would lose more than MS would.'?

 

I also understood that the Office suite for iOS would be subscription based -- with the current understanding of Apple's policy would mean Apple would collect 100% and then cut a check to MS for their 70% retaining 30% for the duration. I am not sure subscription type sales were really thought of much like this before but when I bought last seasons subscription to "Breaking Bad" I am pretty sure that the TV producers had to settle for the 70% (or sell DVD's) at the end of the season.

 

Complete foolishness.

OK   thanks for your input Microsoft,

 

We have examined your application to waiver our Terms & Conditions.

 

Our decision as outlined below.....

 

 

GTFO

Yeah   OK

 

Thank you

 

President Reagan

 

Your comprehensive knowledge and understanding of the 'Apple Business Model' is outstanding!

The opposite. I think MS would lose more than Apple would if MS doesn't bring MS Office to iOS. People aren't buying iDevices primarily for Office apps. They might be very useful at times and add considerably value to certain users but if they aren't on iDevices it won't push people from buying an iDevice or push them to WP8 or WinRT devices. This is a huge market for MS to tap just as MS Office is highly profitable for MS on Mac OS X.

 

Well .......

 

Considering it carefully, the absurdity (ridiculousness, ludicrousness, incongruity, inappropriateness, risibility, idiocy, stupidity, foolishness, folly, silliness, inanity, insanity; unreasonableness, irrationality, illogicality,pointlessness, senselessness; informal craziness [pick one only])

of buying a surface, is the only way to go  ;-)

 

Yep, as clear as mud.

 

hehe

I am working on a a remedial version for ya. With pictures. 

 

What Apple would gain from it's 30% would take a long time to make up for a few tens of thousand defectors to surface, or Android, because Office is not there. (And tens of thousands is low balling.)

 

Same with the Kindle Fire, people who prefer their Kindle app experience to have an integrated purchasing facility within the app, might defect to the Fire. A few tens of thousands of defectors ( again, low balling) and Apple loses a few hundred euro each, it needs to sell millions of e-books to make it up. iBooks wasn't worth pissing off Amazon. 

 

You're acting as though Office matters in any meaningful capacity.

There needs to be some clarity here...

If MSFT removes all links to purchase additional storage or anything else from the app and Apple refuses the app because it is possible to buy storage from outside the app and MSFT isn't making it available inside the app Apple is changing the rules in midstream and is totally in the wrong....

Something we can all agree on?


If MSFT is continuing to push for links to purchase the upgrades outside of in app purchases inside of the app then the app should be rejected unless or until MSFT enables the ability to make the purchases in-app...

Something we can all agree on?


If the answer is yes to both like I think it should be from reasonable people then we need more information. If the answer is no to either, is there an objective reason to come to that conclusion?
Edited by jgibson24 - 12/15/12 at 11:10am

You guys are all arguing about busines model here. It's _not_ the problem.

 

MS's business model has proven to be the best model for 25 years (at least). It doesn't make it a moral, sane, or even legal model, as have proven the numerous suits they lost (against the US government, against companies, against the EU...)

 

The question is simple: is it fair that to offer their customers the best possible coverage (as in "offer an iPad app"), companies that already would sell their product if such app wasn't there need to pay a 30% tax to Apple? Obviously, it's not in the interest of anyone but Apple, just as MS's model is only in the interest of MS. As it should, since companies are, after all, no non-profit organizations...

 

Bottom line of my argument: yes, Apple's trying to get as much $$$ as they can from their iPad's success, and no, governments shouldn't let that go unchecked. That's precisely one of the things governments are for, preventing abuse of power by money-hungry corporations, in the interest of the voter, who also happens to be a consumer.

 

 

 

Addendum about my feelings on the 30%: 

 

The question here is: can X develop an app that does the same thing as an Appstore app without going through the AppStore? Anyone who's done web-apps knows the answer: unless your app is pretty simple, native code wins every time. It so happens that native code necessarily installs through the AppStore.

The _only_ way that Apple's 30% tax would be acceptable is if Apple stopped demanding that native code executing on the iPad has to be distributed through the AppStore. That's the only choice: open up, or cease the tax. It's pretty clear that unless the government steps in (and in the case of MS, it took the government a mere 15 years to step in, and close to 20 years to actually achieve a result), Apple's only going to change something if their sales o down, which won't happen, because apart from having horrible policies, they do make stupendous hardware. Maybe in 2028?

The dispute between Microsoft and Apple has serious consequences for App developers who publish 'free' apps in the App Store, only to then charge users to activate the app or to upgrade to a version with better functionality.

 

As Microsoft seems to be at odds with Apple's stance that all in-app purchases should require a 30% payment to Apple (in perpetuity), will this force app developers to develop HTML5 web apps to by-pass app stores?