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New York state economic development officials have reportedly been pitched plans for a 3.2-million-square-foot chip manufacturing factory that could produce components for Apple's iPhone and iPad.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo "seemed to acknowledge" in a radio interview this week that Apple is involved with the "top-secret plan," according to a report by the Albany Times Union. Cuomo was asked on AM 1300 by host Fred Dicker whether recent speculation about Apple's involvement is true.

"We're shopping a lot of different companies at any given time," Cuomo said. "Apple has a lot of competition, obviously, for their location. I don't think they're anywhere yet in the decision-making."

According to the Times Union, the company behind the secretive project is "likely a major Apple supplier." It's believed that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. could be involved in the discussions.

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All of Apple's iDevice chips to date have been manufactured by Samsung in Austin, Tex.


That aligns with persistent reports identifying TSMC as a likely partner for Apple in producing custom ARM chips for the iPhone and iPad. Apple is believed to be looking to move its chip production away from its current partner, Samsung, which makes all of the mobile processors for the iPhone and iPad.

The rumored potential upstate New York location would also indicate that Apple may be looking to keep its mobile chip production inside the U.S. Samsung currently produces Apple's custom ARM chips in Austin, Tex.

The secret Apple customer eyeing upstate New York has reportedly been scouting sites such as the Luther Forest Technology Campus in the city of Malta, as well as Marcy NanoCenter in Oneida County.

Earlier this year, AppleInsider offered an in-depth look into how some of Apple's key component suppliers have begun increasing their U.S.-based production. While Apple is secretive about who supplies specific components for its devices, the trend could indicate that more of the iPhone is already made in America than some people believe.

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Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook personally visited a Foxconn factory in China earlier this year.


Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook revealed last week that his company plans to bring production of an entire line of existing Macs to the U.S. in 2013, and that his company is spending $100 million to do so. He also indicated at the All Things D conference in May that he would like it if products like the iPhone were made entirely in America.

"There's an intense focus on the final assembly," Cook said. "Could that be done in the U.S.? I sure hope so."
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Does anyone have a list of where the major components for the iPhone/iPad are manufactured? We already know at least some of the A6 chips are made in Texas. What about all the others? I know iPhones and iPads are assembled outside the US but at how many different facilities? What about all the parts for Macs? Where are they manufactured and assembled?

As for assembly lines, the fact Apple is making it more difficult to repair (iFixit doesn't like this) might actually help bring assembly lines back to the US but simplifying how everything is built. Currently, Apple needs a lot of people with high-dexterity to assemble everything. After seeing the insides of the new iMacs, there isn't much there that has to be assembled by hand. Can the inside be further simplified to require almost no hand assembly?

As for locating anything in up-state or mid-state NY (not from NY so not sure what the possible areas are called), I'd be worried about winter weather causing shipping problems.
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It doesn't sound like it's that much of a secret if they are writing an article about it.
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Does anyone have a list of where the major components for the iPhone/iPad are manufactured? We already know at least some of the A6 chips are made in Texas. What about all the others? I know iPhones and iPads are assembled outside the US but at how many different facilities? What about all the parts for Macs? Where are they manufactured and assembled?
As for assembly lines, the fact Apple is making it more difficult to repair (iFixit doesn't like this) might actually help bring assembly lines back to the US but simplifying how everything is built. Currently, Apple needs a lot of people with high-dexterity to assemble everything. After seeing the insides of the new iMacs, there isn't much there that has to be assembled by hand. Can the inside be further simplified to require almost no hand assembly?
As for locating anything in up-state or mid-state NY (not from NY so not sure what the possible areas are called), I'd be worried about winter weather causing shipping problems.

I'd do the chip plant somewhere that doesn't get drastically messed up weather conditions with cheap land near a decent city.  Arizona? Certain parts of California are still cheap land that is outside of the Bay Area.

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The secret Apple customer eyeing upstate New York has reportedly been scouting sites such as the Luther Forest Technology Campus in the city of Malta, as well as Marcy NanoCenter in Oneida County.

Malta is only 30 miles away from where IBM's chipfab was that made the G5 for the PM. Oneida is a bit further at 200 miles. What an incredible useless info I'm posting here!
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That would probably be the AMD\GlobalFoundries in Malta NY
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That would probably be the AMD\GlobalFoundries in Malta NY

 

Sounds like this is something new though, and the GF plant in Malta is already there.

 

There's a number of fabs up in the North East, and a great research place.  I spent a couple of happy months working in Albany Nanotech.

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Malta is only 30 miles away from where IBM's chipfab was that made the G5 for the PM. Oneida is a bit further at 200 miles. What an incredible useless info I'm posting here!

 

Actually, I thought it was very interesting.

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Does anyone have a list of where the major components for the iPhone/iPad are manufactured? We already know at least some of the A6 chips are made in Texas. What about all the others? I know iPhones and iPads are assembled outside the US but at how many different facilities? What about all the parts for Macs? Where are they manufactured and assembled?

 

Well someone will have a list!

 

The processors for Macs will be coming out of Portland, OR and Chandler, AZ, although that's where the chips are made, they're then shipped off to China where they are packaged (the chips cut out of the wafers, wire bonding done and packaged).

 

Memory for Apple will be coming from all over the place.  I think they get some Flash from IMFT, so Lehi, UT and Singapore.  They'll get a lot of memory (I think Flash, but certainly DRAM) from Samsung in Suwon, South Korea.

 

Not sure who makes their screens for them.  I think I read Samsung do some of them.  Can't for the life of me remember where Samsungs display manufacturing is.  I think it's Cheonan, but I'm not 100% sure.

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I'd do the chip plant somewhere that doesn't get drastically messed up weather conditions with cheap land near a decent city.  Arizona? Certain parts of California are still cheap land that is outside of the Bay Area.

1) Processor shipping isnt as regular as shipping the final product is. They probably have shipments going out weekly, if not even less frequently, simply because you have massive wafers which contain millions of chips. There simply isn't that much to ship.

 

2) Fab locations will be based on (a) areas close to where highly qualified people, who will guaranteed receive a ton of offers from different companies want to live and work and (b) close to really good research institutions. Weather will be a minuscule part of the equation.

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This is interesting to me because a couple of months ago someone posted a link to an MSNBC clip of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand talking about Big Flats, NY being the next silicon valley. I called complete bullshit on this because she made it sound like there were a bunch of tech companies in the area already, but now seeing this story I am wondering if she is actually right about there being a boom around my area.
Big Flats, NY for those interested is in between Elmira, NY (Home of Mark Twain amongst other things) and Corning, NY (yes Corning, the company that makes Gorilla Glass.)
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IBM still makes a lot of sense to me.

GloFo seems less likely, as they have a lousy track record producing chips for AMD, but you never know.
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Central Florida. There is plenty of land in the middle of nowhere that apple could buy for cheap. They'd be a couple of hours outside of Miami.
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curious place for industry as that has to be one of the most business unfriendly places in the country in terms of taxes, regulation and weather!!!

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curious place for industry as that has to be one of the most business unfriendly places in the country in terms of taxes, regulation and weather!!!

 

Right, which is why Apple's headquarters is in business-friendly North Dakota rather than someplace like California. 

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Right, which is why Apple's headquarters is in business-friendly North Dakota rather than someplace like California. 

at least they have the weather!!

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What difference does it make where components are made? If some smart guy comes up with an enhanced battery that gives Apple 2X run times does it really matter if the battery is built in New York, Brazil or Cambodia?
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Does anyone have a list of where the major components for the iPhone/iPad are manufactured? We already know at least some of the A6 chips are made in Texas. What about all the others? I know iPhones and iPads are assembled outside the US but at how many different facilities? What about all the parts for Macs? Where are they manufactured and assembled?
Again why are you getting all worked up over where the parts come from? I really don't understand this mentality as it puts real limits on what Apple can produce and how they can innovate. More so I'm not sure why this is all of a sudden an issue as Samsungs plants have been operating in the USA for a very long time now.
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As for assembly lines, the fact Apple is making it more difficult to repair (iFixit doesn't like this) might actually help bring assembly lines back to the US but simplifying how everything is built. Currently, Apple needs a lot of people with high-dexterity to assemble everything.
That statement is down right racists. The only issue Apple, Foxconn or TSMC would have with locating in the USA is avoiding states with endemic poor work ethic.
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After seeing the insides of the new iMacs, there isn't much there that has to be assembled by hand. Can the inside be further simplified to require almost no hand assembly?
Give me a break, Apple has been improving the mechanical design of its hardware for at least the past 5 years. It is evolution more than anything.
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As for locating anything in up-state or mid-state NY (not from NY so not sure what the possible areas are called), I'd be worried about winter weather causing shipping problems.
Yep that can happen. However those locations aren't really that bad. Besides when the weather gets bad there isn't much more to do than to work or ride snowmobiles. The fact is that the weather has never stopped upstate communities from shipping in high volume all over the world. For a long time Rochester NY was one of the biggest exporting regions in the country. Weather can be bad but you don't get whipped out like coastal areas often do.
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A) Weren't the PowerPC chips made in Fishkill which is 2 hours from Malta, not 30 miles.
B) Oneida, nor Oneida County, are NOT 200 miles away from the Albany Region.
C) I wouldn't put any money into a chip factory in Big Flats, Horseheads or Elmira. The people down there are a special kind of kooky. I dated a girl from Elmira. Bunny boiler-type.
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All this story needs is the DigiTimes seal of approval.

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Central Florida. There is plenty of land in the middle of nowhere that apple could buy for cheap. They'd be a couple of hours outside of Miami.

LOL. Apple doesn't want to be in the news every day over a story about some klan dude who got his penis bitten off by an angry chimp while baking meth in his lab. And the only reason to mention Apple? It happened adjacent to Apple's shiny new plant in Central Florida.

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This is interesting to me because a couple of months ago someone posted a link to an MSNBC clip of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand talking about Big Flats, NY being the next silicon valley. I called complete bullshit on this because she made it sound like there were a bunch of tech companies in the area already, but now seeing this story I am wondering if she is actually right about there being a boom around my area.
Big Flats, NY for those interested is in between Elmira, NY (Home of Mark Twain amongst other things) and Corning, NY (yes Corning, the company that makes Gorilla Glass.)

 

The Gorilla Glass is supposedly made in the US. 

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The secret Apple customer eyeing upstate New York has reportedly been scouting sites such as the Luther Forest Technology Campus in the city of Malta, as well as Marcy NanoCenter in Oneida County

 

There's this:

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IBM and GLOBALFOUNDRIES Begin First Production At New York's Latest Semiconductor Fab

Saratoga County, N.Y., Jan. 10, 2012 – GLOBALFOUNDRIES and IBM (NYSE: IBM) today announced an agreement to jointly manufacture advanced computer chips at both companies' semiconductor fabs in New York's "Tech Valley." The new products recently began initial production at IBM's 300mm fab in East Fishkill and GLOBALFOUNDRIES' Fab 8 in Saratoga County, and are planned to ramp to volume production in the second half of 2012. The chips are the first silicon produced at GLOBALFOUNDRIES' newest and most advanced manufacturing facility.

"Today's announcement is a natural extension of our longstanding partnership with IBM that includes production of 65nm and 45nm chips at our fabs in Singapore and Germany," said GLOBALFOUNDRIES CEO Ajit Manocha. "With the addition of our newest factory in New York, we will now be jointly producing chips with IBM at four fabs on three continents."

New York's"homegrown" HKMG technology offers cost-savings, better performance

GLOBALFOUNDRIES' new Fab 8 campus, located in the Luther Forest Technology Campus about 100 miles north of the IBM campus in East Fishkill, stands as one of the most technologically advanced wafer fabs in the world and the largest leading-edge semiconductor foundry in the United States. When fully ramped, the total clean-room space will be approximately 300,000 square feet and will be capable of a total output of approximately 60,000 wafers per month. Fab 8 will focus on leading-edge manufacturing at 32/28nm and below.

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/2012/20120109.aspx

 

 

So, it appears that Apple may be working with IBM and Global Foundries???

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That statement is down right racists. The only issue Apple, Foxconn or TSMC would have with locating in the USA is avoiding states with endemic poor work ethic.
 

How does a "state" have a poor work ethic?   (Some) people have poor work ethics.   Perhaps the corporate culture at a given company is a poor work ethic.   States don't have poor work ethics.    There are people all over this country who are incredibly dedicated and work incredibly hard and there are people who are just at work to collect a pay check, do the minimum they can to not get fired and couldn't care less whether their company is successful or not.  

 

And most states, especially the states with large populations, are so diverse that you can't place all of the people of a state into any one category of any type.    As just one example, even in Texas there are (gasp!) liberal Democrats and people who don't own guns.   In every state, there are highly educated people as well as illiterate people.  

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It's not about the weather. It's about land, water (lot's of water) and skilled workers coming out of academic institutions and related industries.

http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/chips/282633-globalfoundries-will-upstate-new-york-be-the-next-silicon-valley
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There's this:

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/2012/20120109.aspx

 

 

So, it appears that Apple may be working with IBM and Global Foundries???

 

This might also explain the huge increase in Apple's CapEx in recent quarters (first time outspending Intel, but not Samsung). 

 

 

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This is interesting to me because a couple of months ago someone posted a link to an MSNBC clip of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand talking about Big Flats, NY being the next silicon valley. I called complete bullshit on this because she made it sound like there were a bunch of tech companies in the area already, but now seeing this story I am wondering if she is actually right about there being a boom around my area.
Big Flats, NY for those interested is in between Elmira, NY (Home of Mark Twain amongst other things) and Corning, NY (yes Corning, the company that makes Gorilla Glass.)

 

Corning also made these Steuben Apples:

 

 

 

They are crystal.  AIR, they cost about $100 in the 1980s.   

Also, there was this jigsaw puzzle:

 

 

 

 

When we had the computer stores, we gave the Steuben Apple (along with a bonus) as an award to outstanding employees. Someone from Apple headquarters saw the Steuben Apple in our Sunnyvale store -- and soon after, Apple started giving them as awards too.

 

I still have 1 left -- it has survived 3 moves (equivalent to a fire) and 2 earthquakes.

 

 

P.S.   IBM has a long history of high-tech plans in upstate New York -- for years they manufactured maimframe computers in various plants in the upstate area.

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It's not about the weather. It's about land, water (lot's of water) and skilled workers coming out of academic institutions and related industries.

http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/chips/282633-globalfoundries-will-upstate-new-york-be-the-next-silicon-valley

 

Exactly!  For years IBM was very successful locating research and manufacturing plants near top academic institutions...  San Jose,  Raleigh,  Palo Alto...

 

...San Jose developed the first HDD (IBM 305 RAMAC),  Raleigh developed SNA and various other Communication Architectures...  Palo Alto gave the world -- ME :}


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There's this:

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/2012/20120109.aspx

 

 

So, it appears that Apple may be working with IBM and Global Foundries???

 

You get much newer information from GF about FinFET down to 14nm and FinFET already stamping out at 28nm.

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/technology/14XM.aspx

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The trick is that they don't care about the existing foundries, they want employees with experience in chip making.  Whomever is building the new foundry will be installing the latest technology to produce new chips.  Even if they bought an existing foundry they would probably replace most of the equipment inside.  And that area of the country does have chip foundries and the employee talent pool that would be need - and investment in new foundries would attract more talent.  

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Well someone will have a list!

 

The processors for Macs will be coming out of Portland, OR and Chandler, AZ, although that's where the chips are made, they're then shipped off to China where they are packaged (the chips cut out of the wafers, wire bonding done and packaged).

 

Memory for Apple will be coming from all over the place.  I think they get some Flash from IMFT, so Lehi, UT and Singapore.  They'll get a lot of memory (I think Flash, but certainly DRAM) from Samsung in Suwon, South Korea.

 

Not sure who makes their screens for them.  I think I read Samsung do some of them.  Can't for the life of me remember where Samsungs display manufacturing is.  I think it's Cheonan, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

You forgot that a lot Apple's technology came from Roswell, NM.

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There's this:

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/newsroom/2012/20120109.aspx

 

 

So, it appears that Apple may be working with IBM and Global Foundries???

 

You get much newer information from GF about FinFET down to 14nm and FinFET already stamping out at 28nm.

 

http://www.globalfoundries.com/technology/14XM.aspx

 

Thanks for that link!  It certainly looks like GF/IBM/Apple would be a good fit -- and I can see lots of opportunity for joint investments.  I don't know about GF's long term goals, but it appears that IBM and Apple may have complementary objectives -- IBM on the big iron/server side and Apple on the consumer appliance side.

 

I did a quick search of the App store for "ibm ipad" and got 99 hits... 

 

P.S.  I can't tell if IBM is still involved, or if GF bought IBM's semiconductor businesses.

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Well someone will have a list!

 

The processors for Macs will be coming out of Portland, OR and Chandler, AZ, although that's where the chips are made, they're then shipped off to China where they are packaged (the chips cut out of the wafers, wire bonding done and packaged).

 

Memory for Apple will be coming from all over the place.  I think they get some Flash from IMFT, so Lehi, UT and Singapore.  They'll get a lot of memory (I think Flash, but certainly DRAM) from Samsung in Suwon, South Korea.

 

Not sure who makes their screens for them.  I think I read Samsung do some of them.  Can't for the life of me remember where Samsungs display manufacturing is.  I think it's Cheonan, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

You forgot that a lot Apple's technology came from Roswell, NM.

 

Ha!   You reminded me of something from my IBM days in Las Vegas in the mid 1960s.   The Atomic Energy Commission was conducting underground Atomic bomb tests in Mercury, Nevada (Northwest of Las Vegas).  They'd bury the bomb underground along with various measurement instruments with communications cables running to the surface where the data was captured on analog and scientific maimframe computers.

 

The blast would destroy the instruments and the cables -- but they were able to capture a few seconds of data -- enough to evaluate the tests.  Usually, the tests went without any problems, but sometimes there were slight radiation leaks.  

 

To test the effect of the radiation on the environment, they would send people in to examine lizards in the area (the largest living things in that remote, arid desert).  The examiner would capture a lizard and put it on his clipboard, face up -- so he could probe the organs and fill out the form on the clipboard, While being probed, the lizard would get excited and urinate, defecate and ejaculate on the form and clipboard...

 

It was a real problem!

 

My co-worker, Marv, was responsible for IBM activities at the test site.  He was presented with the problem:  How to collect the data without fouling the report and clipboard.

 

Problem solved:  Marv's solution was to use an IBM Port-A-Punch -- a kind of portable keypunch where the card was held in a container under a clear plastic shield which contained holes for 40 columns of punched card data.  The holes were small and round and centered on a perforated row/column rectangle representing a punch in the card.  You would insert a stylus through a hole, and "punch" out the rectangle beneath to enter data.

 

 

The holes were small enough to prevent any extraneous [lizard] material from getting through to the card beneath.

 

 

 

 

Ta-Dah!  IBM to the Rescue!  Marv got special recognition and an award for solving "The Excited Lizard" problem.

 

True story!

 

P.S.  We've all heard of pissy jobs and shitty data... but ejaculate?

 

P.P.S.  Marv didn't get a Seuben Apple, though...

 

P.P.P.S.  I think I've found a use for the MS Surface Tablet -- no kb required.

 

P.P.P.P.S.  These 40-column perforated IBM punch cards -- are the same that gave the "hanging chad" problem in the Florida vote count -- if they only knew how bad it could have been...


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It doesn't sound like it's that much of a secret if they are writing an article about it.

 

Especially not a "top secret".

 

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If it involves Samsung, you can be somewhat sure that this thing is for real. Further, it syncs in line with all those Assembled in USA talk. Would be interesting to continue on the discussion happening here and draw up a list of areas where Apple is already getting stuff made within the US.
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Locally here Global Foundries, Nano Tech in Albany, and the tech park in Utica were floated with Utica being the favorite....
 

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How does a "state" have a poor work ethic?   (Some) people have poor work ethics. 
Have you not watched the news lately? Michigan, the state is awash with people with poor work ethic. It is pretty obvious by the size of the protests against legislation that protects the individual worker.
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  Perhaps the corporate culture at a given company is a poor work ethic.   States don't have poor work ethics.   
I disagree, states have character just like people do. Of course not everyone shares those characteristics but let's face it there is a huge mindset difference between the idiots in say California and the people in Kansas.
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There are people all over this country who are incredibly dedicated and work incredibly hard and there are people who are just at work to collect a pay check, do the minimum they can to not get fired and couldn't care less whether their company is successful or not.  
No doubt there at all. The difference is some states have built up a strong culture with that sort of mentality.
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And most states, especially the states with large populations, are so diverse that you can't place all of the people of a state into any one category of any type.   
It doesn't matter, just look at the diversity of the people protesting in Michigan. Again we are talking about the general mind set of the people in a specific state.
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As just one example, even in Texas there are (gasp!) liberal Democrats and people who don't own guns.   In every state, there are highly educated people as well as illiterate people.  

Many of those people protesting in Michgan where teachers. Education has nothing to do with work ethic, illiterate people can work just as hard as people with doctorates. In fact I'm not sure why you even briing this up in a discussion about work ethic.
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Utica is a terrific location.  This was the site of Univac computers, GE Aerospace, and Bendix for many, many years.   Weather?   We do not have tornados, hurricanes, or any other life threatening weather here.  Yes - in the winter there is snow - and it melts every spring.    The central NY area is a wonderful place to raise a family and is much friendlier, economically than, say,  the Bay Area in San Francisco.  I certainly hope a chip fab facility moves into town!

 

Given the tech jobs in town with the Air Force lab presence in Rome, NY, there is still an abundance of technical and trained labor ready to be put to work.   Many of us former General Electric engineers, many with the MMIC program experience,  are still in town and working in small companies supporting the AFRL lab, but could easily be applied at a larger facility.

 

Check it out - New York has everything - Adirondacks, lakes, streams, parks, plus easy access to urban centers.   The upstate chip factory is a great opportunity whether it involves Apple or any other company.

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I can't rationally recommend New York State for any sort of large facility. I live here and frankly the business and political climate gets worst by the day.
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Utica is a terrific location.  This was the site of Univac computers, GE Aerospace, and Bendix for many, many years.   Weather?   We do not have tornados, hurricanes, or any other life threatening weather here.
Actually we get a few tornados every year.

In any even note that many of those business you mentioned have shrunk NY operations considerably and if they have stayed here it is often due to high margin business where they can afford the taxes.
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 Yes - in the winter there is snow - and it melts every spring.    The central NY area is a wonderful place to raise a family and is much friendlier, economically than, say,  the Bay Area in San Francisco.  I certainly hope a chip fab facility moves into town!
This I agree with, grew up right between Seneca and Cayuga lakes. A really beautiful area but pretty dead economically.
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Given the tech jobs in town with the Air Force lab presence in Rome, NY, there is still an abundance of technical and trained labor ready to be put to work.   Many of us former General Electric engineers, many with the MMIC program experience,  are still in town and working in small companies supporting the AFRL lab, but could easily be applied at a larger facility.
Many of those skilled workers have also left the state for good. Often actually doing better for themselves in the southern states.
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Check it out - New York has everything - Adirondacks, lakes, streams, parks, plus easy access to urban centers.   The upstate chip factory is a great opportunity whether it involves Apple or any other company.

There is no doubt that there are beautiful areas in NY. Many people don't even grasp that there is a substantial wild area in NY. However the nice is offset buy the ugly. Many upstate cities are in decay and in some cases shrinking in size. Down state you have the horrors of the NY City area and the welfare establishment there. All of this negativity is supported by massively excessive taxes that are wasted more than they are used positively.

In summation NY is no place to start up a new manufacturing operation.
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Does anyone have a list of where the major components for the iPhone/iPad are manufactured? We already know at least some of the A6 chips are made in Texas. What about all the others? I know iPhones and iPads are assembled outside the US but at how many different facilities? What about all the parts for Macs? Where are they manufactured and assembled?

As for assembly lines, the fact Apple is making it more difficult to repair (iFixit doesn't like this) might actually help bring assembly lines back to the US but simplifying how everything is built. Currently, Apple needs a lot of people with high-dexterity to assemble everything. After seeing the insides of the new iMacs, there isn't much there that has to be assembled by hand. Can the inside be further simplified to require almost no hand assembly?

As for locating anything in up-state or mid-state NY (not from NY so not sure what the possible areas are called), I'd be worried about winter weather causing shipping problems.

Disagree about the simplicity factor. Making it non-repairable makes it harder to manufacture because components have to be glued, etc.

Isn't it easier to just plug in a drive, battery or memory rather than making it permanent and hard to access
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Disagree about the simplicity factor. Making it non-repairable makes it harder to manufacture because components have to be glued, etc.

Isn't it easier to just plug in a drive, battery or memory rather than making it permanent and hard to access

 

It depends on how manufacturing processes are factored into the design. Apple products can be difficut to repair because they are generally designed for ease of assembly. Other products can be difficut to build because they are designed to ensure disposability. These are very different things!

 

For example, having non-replaceable RAM means that the memory is installed via automated pick-and-place machines at the same time as all of the other surface-mount components of the main board. This eliminates the SIMM connector part which is not likely compatible with a pick-and-place installation and requires a separate labor step, and installation of the SIMM module, which is a separate labor step, and the chip no longer needs to be separately installed onto the SIMM board. Much simpler to build, nearly impossible to fix.

 

From a manufacturing standoing, glue is also extremely simple. An automated robot can quickly and accurately apply a few dabs of glue to a chassis before a worker or another robot drops a battery into an approximate position; glue will dry as the build process continues. Using screws requires threaded holes in parts, take a lot more time and precision to install, and the screws themselves cost more than glue.

 

Another viable approach is a snap-together fit. Parts can be assembled quickly and easily, but taking them apart may require special tools, patience, and may break one or more parts!

 

I would guess that replacing just a few screws with glue or snap fit could easily shave 30 seconds off an assembly task. That may seem trivial, but it adds up. if you build millions of units, this directly will eliminate multiple person/years of labor!

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