Good luck! Ha! It's Google.
Nagware is software that, while "free", perpetually gives modal (or otherwise) popups or notifications about improvements thereto (usually paid) or other software by the same company.
Look, I just published my impressions and most everything we say here is basically opinion. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending the app IMO.
The list was a list of things I found missing from Google maps as I saw it this morning. The points that you call "moot" aren't really points and aren't moot, as I wasn't doing a comparison between the two, just listing missing things from Google maps.
In regards the two substantive questions you raise:
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
Basically, they have the morals of a guttersnipe over at Google and it shows in everything they do.
Also: nothing personal but ... lame and incorrect use of "confirmation bias."
I got garmin, but its for offline turn by turn. The problem with both Apple and google is it requires a connection.
Agreed, but my point is he can't claim it is the best without trying a few. My Navigon App is great. Part of the reason is like you say, I don't need an internet connection for it to work.
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
"Deceptive"? That's a stretch, the app clearly shows what it is used for. Turning it off? a simple google search will show you exactly how to turn it off, you don't need to "know" anything. 6 levels for a one time settings change, give me a break.
It's anonymous tracking data that helps google improve traffic info among other things. If you're just interested in leaching of info supplied by other users then that's fine, but don't bitch about something you aren't supporting.
Asking you to log into google account to enhance a free service is not nagware, most apps do that, look at yelp, runkeeper etc etc.
Well then so far that puts Pogue and Siegler on board with praise for Google's iOS map effort. Now who's the third Musketeer?
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
I agree. Politely giving an answer takes less effort than trying to figure out a witty and/or insulting response instead to an honest question. There was zero need for anyone to post if they weren't trying to be helpful.
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"No theatrics and no more personal attacks, just stick to the logic and tell me why I don't have any argument ~ Jragosta/2012
I had a similar reaction: forced Googles hand to provide a better service more equivalent to what they had been reserving for their Android. The level of Apple's commitment might be reflected in whether they add public transportation at some point. That's a hole they should be able to fix a lot easier than nailing down the location of every pond, greasy spoon and backstreet on the planet...
Ha Ha, nice try. Show me factual evidence/link showing that the location tracking in Google Maps IOS is not anonymous, otherwise stay crying in your corner.
You realise that the original Maps app was written by Apple, not Google, right? Google had no control to add the features found on Android.
Apple didn't write the code for Maps, Google provided the source code and apple included that in the default apps. Google was stopping from upgrades where as Android was getting all new features.
Now IOS users also can get latest features and Win-win for apple.
Ha Ha, nice try. Show me factual evidence/link showing that the location tracking in Google Maps IOS is not anonymous, otherwise stay crying in your corner.
It doesnt get more obvious than that:
1. go to youre smartphone app, log into another email account than gmail. Send to youre gmail account something about cars, that you want to buy a particular car model, ...
2. Go on a PC, log into gmail with a web browser. look at the ads all around the page. read the email about the cars. Look at the ads. Reply to youreself, continu the email exchange with other car models, ...
3. Get on the phone, reply to car email and start talking about something else, like computers or tv
4. Get back to gmail on the webbrowser, read the email, look at the ads on the page.
5. Come back a few days later, look at the ads again.
The same thing will happen with google map. Seach locations, look at the ads when using the map app on the streets or when returning to gmail. Its a freaking joke, google is recording every single thing you do and its KEEPING it. Even if you dont log in into a google account, it will do the same thing with the IP address. And google will then try to match the IP with the IP used by one of its account, if it can match it its will merge it to its database. Scary stuff imo.
Web searches, emails content, maps locations, IP's, ... its all recorded. Google products and OS may appear to be free, but they come at a price, there are no free lunch.
Mmm... With Apple Maps on my iPad, I show:
I left it zoomed out because zooming in further removes the City name as it considers it a distraction.
So, I suspect your characterization of Apple Maps vs Google maps in China as being a myth... is just a myth!
You know, you don't get anywhere by lobbing softballs in the strike zone!
Mmm... With Apple Maps on my iPad, I show:
I left it zoomed out because zooming in further removes the City name as it considers it a distraction.
So, I suspect your characterization of Apple Maps vs Google maps in China as being a myth... is just a myth!
You know, you don't get anywhere by lobbing softballs in the strike zone!
That's the satellite view! Of course there are streets in the satellite image! I was talking about MAPS! Put the maps and show me the streets!
The same thing will happen with google map. Seach locations, look at the ads when using the map app on the streets or when returning to gmail. Its a freaking joke, google is recording every single thing you do and its KEEPING it.
So we've gone from "is" tracking to "will" track. Still reaching there I see. Google clearly states that its location reporting in IOS maps is used to determine speed to improve traffic reporting, no user specific data. including start location or end location are sent to google servers. If you somehow believe that Google is recording this information and using it to target search results, when they explicitly said they do not, then there's very little anyone can do to pluck you out of whatever paranoid world you're living in.
Sheesh.
So we've gone from "is" tracking to "will" track. Still reaching there I see. Google clearly states that its location reporting in IOS maps is used to determine speed to improve traffic reporting, no user specific data. including start location or end location are sent to google servers. If you somehow believe that Google is recording this information and using it to target search results, when they explicitly said they do not, then there's very little anyone can do to pluck you out of whatever paranoid world you're living in.
Sheesh.
I didnt try the recent map app we just got on iOS, but the Android smartphone its taking route information and its using it to push ads related to youre route. I dont know how its saving the information, but its doing it. Results is key here, experiment with it and watch it play out. IF Google is not recording it, how can I still received related ads weeks later...
I didnt try the recent map app we just got on iOS, but the Android smartphone its taking route information and its using it to push ads related to youre route. I dont know how its saving the information, but its doing it. Results is key here, experiment with it and watch it play out. IF Google is not recording it, how can I still received related ads weeks later...
If you searched for a location using google search whether or not you actually navigated to it using google navigation/maps, most likely the reason you are getting pushed ads is because of your search for the location.
Look, non-anonymous location a very sensitive topic with all sorts of legal ramifications, if google say their tracking is entirely anonymous (and opt in might I add) I would believe that until someone can show me any actual evidence to the contrary.
So we've gone from "is" tracking to "will" track. Still reaching there I see. Google clearly states that its location reporting in IOS maps is used to determine speed to improve traffic reporting, no user specific data. including start location or end location are sent to google servers. If you somehow believe that Google is recording this information and using it to target search results, when they explicitly said they do not, then there's very little anyone can do to pluck you out of whatever paranoid world you're living in.
Sheesh.
Google told the DoJ that they would respect people's requests not to allow tracking cookies, one slap on the wrist $22 million fine with a not guilty plea for deviously overriding browser settings to install tracking cookies later, and we can see just how much Google's word is worth, i.e. sweet f*ck all.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
>> IOS AD tracking, looks "deceptive" to me.
It probably doesn’t come as a shock to know that the tracking is switched on as a default in the operating system so any device you have that is running iOS 6 will already be collecting this anonymous information. It is entirely possible to remove the tracking from the device but it looks like Apple have gone out of their way to bury the disable setting where users wouldn’t think to look for it.
Google told the DoJ that they would respect people's requests not to allow tracking cookies, one slap on the wrist $22 million fine with a not guilty plea for deviously overriding browser settings to install tracking cookies later, and we can see just how much Google's word is worth, i.e. sweet f*ck all.
I'm sure that was just a little mistake, just like when apple was tracking cell phone tower locations. :-)
"Surely OP will deliver..." I can see it myself here, and won't care after the next 30 seconds anyway.
Here's a small violin it didn't work in your one trivial use case, no one ever said Google Maps was perfect, in fact Google tells you it isn't, but it's far more detailed and accuate globally than Apple Maps.
What do my kids keep saying these days for stupidity? "Derp?"
Run along, run along... /ignore
Here you go:-
Look, according to Google there is nothing here, just bare earth:-
It's a good thing emergency services don't use Google, how would they respond to an average Joe's emergency in a street that doesn't exist:-
Here are more houses that don't exist, according to Google it's bare earth:-
...and some more:-
Lastly here's a picture taken on one of the Longhurst and Longhurst corners, note the houses where Google says there is bare earth:-
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
I'm sure that was just a little mistake, just like when apple was tracking cell phone tower locations. :-)
I wonder how a call routes to a phone if no-one knows where it is?
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.
>> IOS AD tracking, looks "deceptive" to me.
It probably doesn’t come as a shock to know that the tracking is switched on as a default in the operating system so any device you have that is running iOS 6 will already be collecting this anonymous information. It is entirely possible to remove the tracking from the device but it looks like Apple have gone out of their way to bury the disable setting where users wouldn’t think to look for it.
Jeez, just shut up won't you? You are wrong. You are wrong about tracking being on by default in iOS 6. You are wrong about AD tracking in iOS 6. You are wrong about Google's tracking being anonymous and for traffic mapping purposes only. None of this stuff is on by default. It's all opt-in only and all user controllable in the settings app which is not obfuscated or six levels deep or misleading in any way like Google's stuff is.
In fact, you are wrong about almost everything you've said on this thread, yet you continue to bleat on about it and are obnoxious and insulting to boot.
Last advice before blocking you: Either post wrong headed stuff like this in a polite way, or be an asshole but get your facts straight. The combination of being wrong about everything but sanctimonious and insulting as well is just annoying as heck.
