Originally Posted by hmm
That's what I was saying before. The name there allows them to push it as a server to those who haven't already considered the possibility. It also allows them to maintain a product in the brick and mortar shops with a server OS. It's not bad for a lighter duty server. You don't have options like traffic shaping, but the bandwidth isn't there anyway. Some smaller businesses may not regularly saturate such a thing, even if use it as something like an ftp server. I've known plenty of shops of under 10 people including the owners that lacked T1 lines.
I would say there are valid use cases where it's a reasonable fit both in price and functionality, especially for people that are scared of Linux. Ironically Linux can in some cases be more expensive to implement in spite of being Open Source.
When one thinks about it a server can be a lot of things to different people. I'm not concerned that the Mini Server can do some jobs, I just see it as confused marketing as any Mini can function as a server.
I'm not sure if you read about the HDMI problems with the HD 4000. I'm not sure if OpenCL is supported yet under OSX. It wasn't initially, and the chipset can only support 1.1.
Yep, that was what I meant about Intel and their drivers. It isn't just Mac OS that has had Intel driver problems from what I hear HD 4000 has issues on Windows too. Personally immature bit disgusted with Apple and their reliance upon Intel integrated graphics, the best Intel has to offer barely matches AMDs old solutions and the AMD solution are know to work well. The problem is especially acute with the Mini as that is a machine whee people would really like to see good GPU performance.
As to Intel OpenCL support I'm not sure at all where we stand there. Even if the support comes the GPU simply isn't that impressive. The only good thing is that being integrated you do recover some performance there do to being on chip. All of these issue together highlight why many of us are extremely frustrated with Apple and their ignorant handling of the Mini line up. Removal of the GPU in the upscale Mini was a significant regression, especially considering that it is taking ages to resolve driver issues. At the rate we are going Apple will have a new model out that replaces the IVy Bridge Minis.
Thunderbolt may take some time to really catch on. The talks of future speed increases and newer chips don't entirely benefit its potential adoption rates, as oems obviously want to recoup development costs before they have to start over.
I don't think that has anything to do with it. The problem with TB is that far to many people see it as a replacement for USB, I don't ever see that happening. It is a high performance solution that can only be justified for certain uses.
It has to leverage something to really push adoption rates.
I suspect Apple has gotten everything they wanted out of it. That is TB is their docking solution for laptops. Every use beyond that is just gravy for them.
Certification of devices seems to be a big hurdle. The chips impose higher costs and specific design requirements.
Matrox I think it was indicated that drivers where a big issue. This is to be expected with new technology. Frankly I have to wonder why people expected a flood of hardware one day after Apples release. Even now I can see another year before you see much of anything new in the way of TB devices. That is devices that weren't announced months and months ago.
I was really puzzled when people would post thunderbolt being semi-exclusive to Apple as a positive thing. Wide adoption is the only way its use will expand beyond the high cost areas.
I don't think Intel nor Apple have any intention of pushing hard for the low cost market. That isn't the point of today's TB and certainly won't be the point of tomorrow's. if they double TBs speed and require fiber connections any thoughts of a cheap interface go out the door. The whole infrastructure of the TB interconnect implies a long time before anything cheap is available.
I'm curious what you think would really benefit. I thought it would be excellent as a cheaper alternative to SAS, but as it stands it's not that much cheaper. Areca had a thunderbolt version of one of their SAS units. It's still on their site, but newegg has it marked as discontinued.
Fast interfacing to the outside world free of the overhead of USB. One neat possibility would be a TB interface on a CNC controller board. Interfacing to instrumentation such as oscilloscopes and the like would be very interesting. In a nut shell USB sucks for demanding realtime interfacing.