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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


How do justify this statement? Google has plenty of apps in the App Store and there were 3rd-party mapping apps since the App Store was formed. So long as they follow the rules there is no reason to keep them off the store. Is there even one example where an app wasn't allowed on the store that wasn't violating a rule?
Apple's goal is to sell more devices. Better apps on the iOS than on other platforms helps achieve that goal. I see nothing that would have prevented Google Maps on iOS if Steve Jobs were alive.

I remember some app being rejected "pornography" when it really sold bathing suits or something.  I can't remember. That's the only time I remember them apologizing for rejecting an app on bogus grounds

Originally Posted by extremeskater 
Also lets face it Steve Jobs would have never…

Let's face it, anyone who uses this in a post when they're not joking has completely invalidated whatever other point they had.

Originally Posted by Rogifan 
What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding.

Let's clarify what you mean here. iPhone OS 1-iOS 5's Maps has Google branding.

I love Apple Maps for what it does.  Turn-by-turn is clear and practical and hasn't (yet) let me down in the difficult streets of Boston/ Cambridge.  I prefer the layout and interface of Apple Maps to Google Maps.  I like the Siri/ voice integration.

However, the public transit omission stings.  Of the "third party solutions" that Apple has punted to, Google Maps is by far the best and the only way to use it is to be fully kicked out of the Apple Maps application.  Street view is also missed (though not quite as much).

These last two points are the reason that I, personally, find myself using Google Maps a lot more than I'd prefer.  It's easy to see how, for a lot of people, it makes more sense for them to use Google Maps as a one-stop that does everything they need wrt mapping.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

What Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed was a native maps app that had Google's branding. Makes perfect sense to me considering Google is one of Apple's biggest competitors. It blows my mind that people would expect Apple to allow this.

What makes you believe Google could have offered one with Apple branding?

"mixed blessing" is putting it mildly.

Google Maps is an outright malediction for iOS.  I urge Apple fans not to use it.

But I think Apple Maps can eventually succeed to make it irrelevant to iOS users.

Time will tell.

I happen to really like Apple's Maps app. I downloaded Google Maps yesterday to try it out, but it is presently relegated to the last page of apps on my phone and I have no real intention of using it unless absolutely necessary. So far, even before yesterdays release, I have had no need to venture beyond Apple Maps.

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Originally Posted by Rogifan 

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Originally Posted by NexusPhan 

That's why CNet's top smartphone this year is a Samsung....

http://reviews.cnet.com/holiday-gift-guide/top-gifts/

And Samsung Galaxy series has outsold the iPhone 5. Don't put too much weight with what the customer satisfaction surveys say. If they weren't satisfied, they wouldn't continue to sell so many tens of millions.

And Time magazine named iPhone 5 the top gadget of the year. What's your point?

In any case, the cnet review wasn't ranking the phones - just suggesting gifts. The IP5 was also there, with the same ratings, and, if you narrow the category just to smartphones, appears before the SG3.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Let's face it, anyone who uses this in a post when they're not joking has completely invalidated whatever other point they had.

 

Let's clarify what you mean here. iPhone OS 1-iOS 5's Maps has Google branding.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. For years to come people will be saying "if Steve Jobs was alive" and no matter how much you dislike it doesn't change perception.

Members of an enthusiast forum are not an accurate representation of the general public. For those that track Apple on a regular basis if they believe Steve Jobs would have done something differently and the outcome would have been better, perception is reality. Get a clue, people like you acted as if Steve Jobs was a God, guess what God doesn't get replaced for years, if ever.

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Originally Posted by maclancer 

I love google maps, however I tested yesterday to go to a meeting that I have for a job and the turn by turn was good but when I got close to the destination, google maps thought that it was in a corner the final destination when in fact was the next corner down and a right. It got me close but not exactly where I was suppose to go. 

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Originally Posted by t2000tjt 

Google maps turn by turn directions are terrible. I used them last night, and luckily I already knew where I was going, but Google maps had me doing U turns, and all kinds of crazy things.

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Originally Posted by geoadm 


Agreed. Google directions in Australia are shocking. It's good to see they have finally entered some previously missing roads but it still directs you down one way roads the wrong way or to drive straight through a dead end. 

How dare you suggest that Google is anything but 100% perfect or ever had issues. We all know that Google was birthed full form and issue free some 7 plus years ago and has been that way ever since. You are all liars and should be ashamed of yourselves. 

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Originally Posted by island hermit 

We didn't have to hear about mapgate before. 

 

Anecdotal evidence tells me that the Apple maps issue, although annoying for some, was overblown by a press/blogosphere that leeches on Apple's blood to gain eyeballs.

Indeed. Folks forget that all mapping services have issues, particularly new ones. But some of the 'issues' aren't really at all. Things like the pin for the Washington Monument being 'at a bus stop' not at the monument is a factor of the 'legal' address being at that spot not in the middle of the park. These things are what were in the data provided, same as the whole two Mildura cities in the official gazetteer and will be tweaked and corrected as needed

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Originally Posted by NexusPhan 

 

That's why Google maps went to number one downloaded free app within 30 minutes of being released. Ya, the vast majority surely don't care.

Numbers? Without that then it's hard to really count 'doubled', 'number one' etc. 

That list adjusts as time goes by so if every other app gets 1-10 downloads during a particular hour and Google Maps gets 11 then it is the top of the list. But it really doesn't mean much. 

And ultimately what is the keep rate. A lot of folks will download any app that is free that they are curious about but that doesn't mean they will keep it on their device and use it. 

So all this really tells us is that a bunch of folks were curious, not really anything beyond that. 

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Originally Posted by AsianBob 

 

And the original app was created by Apple, not Google.  The only thing Google did was provide the background data.  If you want to blame someone for the dumbed down app, blame Apple.

Not exactly. The lack of turn by turn etc was just as much because Google wouldn't provide the data as what was in the app functionality

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Originally Posted by island hermit 

 

Missteps, sure, there have been a few. The Maps apology was the biggest one in my mind... the firings "at this time" being the next... not Maps in and of itself but the introduction was far from smooth.

 

If you didn't realize it, AAPL is heavily manipulated... I'm guessing by the hedge funds.

 

... and, yes, the stock will probably drop below $500 before the end of the month, death cross and all... but January's iPad and iPhone figures will easily propel Apple to a record quarter... then AAPL will slowly rise to above $700.

 

Next year should be interesting for Apple. I believe it is a make or break year.

I have a lot of AAPL stock I never get confused that the stock market isn't manipulated. The only issue is people on this forum believe AAPL is the only one. The entire stock market is manipulated, just trend oil for a while if you want to see real manipulation. 

As I stated in my other post, when you are on top a misstep gets more attention. I don't believe anything Apple has done in the past few months has hand any impact on the stock. What I do believe is when you have a President that is seen as anti business, and everytime you turn on the news there is 24x7 talk of a "fiscal cliff" that drives down the entire market, Apple being a victim.

The only point I was making is Google/Apple maps had above average media attention, so someone saying it's just one App in the App Store is incorrect. It may be one App but it has more weight than Angry Birds.

No, it's not a "mixed blessing", it's solely positive, no matter what these shit-filled analysts want to push in order to create controversy and drama. It's simply a secondary high quality option available to users, and now the situation on iOS is both Apple and Google competing to make the best maps possible on the platform, which couldn't be better. For the record I've extensively tested the app, and have no intention of switching to it as my primary mapping app- but its nice to have. 

Oh, and **** the stock. **** it up the ass. 

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Originally Posted by extremeskater 

 Also lets face it Steve Jobs would have never 

No matter what is written next the reply is the same. You aren't Steve Jobs, you didn't know Steve Jobs, so really you have no clue. So please stop acting and talking you do. This was merely your opinion no more or less but framing it as "Steve Jobs would never" is just an attempt to make it sound more legit. But it doesn't. So just state YOUR opinion and leave the dead man out of it. 

Originally Posted by extremeskater 
Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Exactly. SO STOP SAYING IT unless you're joking.

Yes, I've noticed that some people will actively choose to be wrong even when they're told of their error.

So… Steve Jobs WOULDN'T have done any of the things you've said he'd do, given that you're not accurate.

I don't think you understand what 'reality' is, and that's frightening.

This is just precious.

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Originally Posted by extremeskater 

I have a lot of AAPL stock I never get confused that the stock market isn't manipulated. The only issue is people on this forum believe AAPL is the only one. The entire stock market is manipulated, just trend oil for a while if you want to see real manipulation. 

I follow the markets very closely and there are very few stocks that are manipulated as heavily as AAPL (I'm talking about the major players).

Commodities are always heavily manipulated. Natural gas being as good an example as oil, gold being another.

Google NSA Relationship Secrecy Continues Despite Courts Efforts

http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2175369/Google-NSA-Relationship-Secrecy-Continues-Despite-Courts-Efforts

NSA whistleblower 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpHoyM

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Originally Posted by NexusPhan 

 

At 71% global market share, android does not need the minor competitive edge that the real google maps app gives. They've already won. They're an ad company that makes money on volume. To that end, it's not even a contest.

It is doubtful Google is making any money on Android, even if you ignore the 12.5 billion dumped into the money-losing proposition that is Motorola.  At (roughly) 71% global profit share, it really isn't a contest, your're right about that. 

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Originally Posted by DaHarder 

Good for both the customer in that they're getting a fully-functional Navigation/mapping solution for their iOS devices as well as Google for the aforementioned reasons.
One can only hope Apple is much more careful in the future not to release such half-hearted efforts like iOS Maps as other companies might not be there to so quickly help bail them out.

Once again, you fail to see what's really happening right before your eyes. The fact is that Google failed to keep it's former IOS app "up to snuff" with it's other offerings to Android and was dragging it's feet in fixing it (which is it's privilege). Apple did the smartest thing possible, which was to show Google what it would be missing by not being on IOS devices and, whadda you know ..... google "suddenly"is able to offer the quality map experience that it should have offered in the first place. Go figure.

Don't look now DaHarder ..... but your irrelevance is showing.

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Originally Posted by Metrix 

Google NSA Relationship Secrecy Continues Despite Courts Efforts

http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2175369/Google-NSA-Relationship-Secrecy-Continues-Despite-Courts-Efforts

 

NSA whistleblower 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpHoyM

Isn't the NSA's relationship with everyone a secret? Telcos, internet service providers, search engines, communication device providers...

At least Google does announce the number of demands (and number of times they say no) for access to user data from law enforcement and government agencies to call attention to it. I don't recall anyone else (Apple, Microsoft, Earthlink, Yahoo, etc) willing to talk about it, much less offer any numbers.

Funny how so many people are upset by Google Maps (on every forum I've visited).

Let me get this straight: Google releases a high quality Maps App for iOS users. All iOS users benefit from this because it has improved their overall experience by giving them another quality App to add to their eco-system. Everyone wins.

So why is it that people are complaining? Are you that upset to see Apple & iOS users receive something that benefits them? Because really, I can't see any reason to complain unless you're an Apple hater and dislike seeing Apple users get anything to make their lives better.

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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee 

Funny how so many people are upset by Google Maps (on every forum I've visited).

 

Let me get this straight: Google releases a high quality Maps App for iOS users. All iOS users benefit from this because it has improved their overall experience by giving them another quality App to add to their eco-system. Everyone wins.

 

So why is it that people are complaining? Are you that upset to see Apple & iOS users receive something that benefits them? Because really, I can't see any reason to complain unless you're an Apple hater and dislike seeing Apple users get anything to make their lives better.

Hmmm... I read the thread and I didn't really think the overall feeling was that of a complaint. Over all I think most people are fine with it.

[oh, sorry... I see you mention other forums]

• http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2012/12/apple-gets-thrown-in-the-briar-patch/

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Exactly. SO STOP SAYING IT unless you're joking.

 

 

Yes, I've noticed that some people will actively choose to be wrong even when they're told of their error.

 

 

So… Steve Jobs WOULDN'T have done any of the things you've said he'd do, given that you're not accurate.

 

 

I don't think you understand what 'reality' is, and that's frightening.

 

This is just precious.

Your lack of insight on this just makes  me shake my head. I wasn't joking.

Let me give you an example. Before I started working for IBM I worked for GE Captial which is the financial division of General Electric. At the time GE stock was around 90.00 a share and Jack Welch was CEO of General Electric. After he retired Jeffery Immelt took over and was hand picked by Welch. From that day on the downfall of GE has been put directly inline with the retirement of Welch.

I sold my stock when I left GE and I believe I sold it at 92.00 a share. It wasn't that long ago that GE stock dropped to around 5.00 a share and it was rumored that Immelt had to wear a bulletproof jacket  Will this happen with Apple, well we don't know but if does everyone will be saying "what if Steve Jobs was alive". It's a very valid remark even if you don't believe it's valid.

Also another problem with the members of this forum they have a short memory. I believe Apple was founded on April 1, 1976. The first iPhone was released June 29th 2007.  I can remember being on this forum in 2006 and the only thing these members could hold onto was the iPod numbers when they were released. For the vast majority of his years Steve Jobs was considered a failure. Apple almost when out of business and was seen as a grain of sand compared to Microsoft.

So lets not act like Apple  has ruled the world forever and there is no chance they will ever fall from grace. General Motors, Microsoft, Dell, AIG, BOA, GE, and many others at one point were all seen as giants. Well we all know that is no longer true. History has proven time and time again when you are on top there is only one place to go.

So back on top with regards to this thread. If Apple maps didn't suck the members of this forum wouldn't be trying to take it as far off topic as possible pulling the typical Quadra move of posting links that have nothing to do with the topic. Well thats about it for now, sorry have to get back to work which appears to be a problem you don't have, which might explain your lack of insight.

I tried using Google's turn-by-turn yesterday in New Zealand and gave up after 5 minutes. What a disaster - it simply couldn't locate me once I'd started moving and then went on a mental rant giving me sporadic directions from all around the city. Hopefully they get this sorted...

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Originally Posted by DaHarder 

Good for both the customer in that they're getting a fully-functional Navigation/mapping solution for their iOS devices as well as Google for the aforementioned reasons.
One can only hope Apple is much more careful in the future not to release such half-hearted efforts like iOS Maps as other companies might not be there to so quickly help bail them out.

Yet another demonstration of why iOS is the number one platform for developers.

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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee 

Win-win for Google? What about the millions of dollars Apple used to pay Google for data that Google now has to eat? What about having turn-by-turn on iOS which used to be a competitive advantage for Android? What about taking pressure off Apple Maps so that version 2.0 can be worked on out of the spotlight?

What I thought of it. At the worst APPLE forced Googles hand. 

OTOH the Apple  map product has worked just fine for me on my 5 since I bought it at it's release and on my 4s before that (where with 3G  the greater efficiency of vector drawing was very apparent). I like the speed, lack of clutter and reasonable directions along with the audible turn by turn and audible directions the Google built in app never had. Were I to need mass transit I might check out the Google offering, but otherwise: don't feel any need to.

"now be able to generate location-based advertising and other revenues from iPhone users who use the app"

Yet one more reason not to go near the thing.

Originally Posted by extremeskater 

For the vast majority of his years Steve Jobs was considered a failure.

And that's a complete lie.

'76-'85 and '96-'11. So that's 9 years plus 15 years. 24 years.

Let's call 1976 a "failure" because the Apple II wasn't out yet and 1980 a "failure" because of the Apple III.  1985 was a "failure" because he was fired. 24 minus 3 is 21.

Let's call his entire first two years back at Apple a "failure" because they didn't turn a profit. Let's call 2000 a "failure" because of the PowerMac G4 Cube and 2005 a "failure" because of the PowerMac G5 that leaked coolant. 2001 was a "failure" because the iPod didn't have Windows support, and 2002 was a failure because the iPod didn't have a Dock Connector. 21 minus 6 is 15.

So 15 out of the 24 years he was at Apple were successful years. I'm sure you can add to the failures list, but it's not at all looking like "the vast majority" were failures.

None of those years were Jobs'.

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Originally Posted by jnjnjn 


And, if I may add: opt out of the default enabled 'report my data to Google' if you have to use Gmaps; it's kind of hidden under 'About, terms & privacy' (select head icon -> gear icon)
No need to enhance the service.
J.

...no need for this step....

When I was installing Google Map, the privacy and term of use popped up.  I read through the terms carefully and found the box for allowing "Location Data Collection".  I untick it immediately.

Even if it is ticked it won't be of much use.  I am happy with Apple Map and won't use Google map very much.

It's good Google Map has returned to iOS 6, however I feel Apple has gained the most on this situation.

Google had to improve it's Map App to come closer to their android App.

Without an Apple Map Google would have done NOTHINg to improve their iOS Map App.

I'm still on iOS5 so I now have two Google Map Apps. I've only used it a bit, not registering with Google though.

It still has some local errors I've experienced on my older Google Map and also on a Samsung S3 android Google Map.

Interesting Apple Map, tried several times since Sep. on a store iPhone5, doesn't have these Map errors.

Soon I'll go to iOS6 and be able to compare both Map Apps on my own iPhone, then use the best.
 

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Originally Posted by hill60 

 

Yet another demonstration of why iOS is the number one platform for developers.

What makes you say that? Because of app revenues? Many of the paid apps on iOS are ad supported on android and it is not published (at least I couldn't find it) how much the developers make from those ads. So it's not really fair to compare that.

Apple maps failed to find the restaurant I ate lunch at today. Friend with an iPhone had to download the Google maps to meet us there. Sure enough, it was there. I thought it was great timing.

Here ya' go...

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Originally Posted by Andre Bee 

I like the google maps app. Actually its 10 times better than before. So it was the right move from apple to throw them off the system.

Now we have a much better app.

 

My opinion is that apple should realize that they can not do everything. One key success for the future is to partner with specific companies. Even if its google. When they have the best content for maps then go ahead apple and license it. 

 

Put me in the CEO position and I would stop apple's own mapping ambitions and start working on products and services again which make the apple eco system the best in the world.

 

It absolutely makes no sense to build up an own mapping solution when everybody is happy with google maps.

Apple understands the importance of creating developer opportunities.

Apple's App store equals free market capitalism at it's finest.