Apple's iPad mini already on pace to outsell Retina iPad - Page 3

 

I went to the Walmart web site and didn't see any "Wi-Fi 4th Gen" at $399.

 

Also, Apple has always had an agreement with their resellers that severely limited the price at which they could sell Apple products -- discounts were limited to about 5% MSRP.  I wonder if Apple policy has changed.

Dick, the announcement is over at 9to5Mac.

that is the ugliest set of lips on AEN. if that's supposed to be a smiley face, you could have at least used an authentic one;-)

 

 

and if you're actually selling the thought of an iOS 'super professional pad,'   I get the concept of immersive  workspace, and I like it... but it doesn't give with the 'mass market consumer experience' that Apple is trying to corner.   It's a niche device.  I just don't see it as a next or near next step ( read: 5 years out), as it current technology doesn't support it (battery, cpu, glass), and the cost would be prohibitive in the market... it would be a mac pro price for a niche market (to start).  Not to say that a tool like this would jump start a whole new app market.

 

I do see the 'phase out' of  trackpads and keyboards on Mac OSX, and I see it at the 13/15" size.   maybe 17" as a 'iPad Pro' market.   17" on your lap/easel is a huge  palatte.

 

that said, a 40" screen would be  where I'd love to see Apple license to niche markets.

 

Your post reminds me of a joke told by one of the typewriter salesman in the Tucson IBM office (ca 1972).

 

The short version:  A guy walks into his office wearing a brand new suit -- that was unusual to say the least...

 

His co-workers were kidding him about it, and one finally asked:  "why did you buy a suit like that?"

 

His answer:  I can wear off the rack sizes, so I asked my wife to go to Cox and pick out a seersucker suit... she went to Sears...

 

Mentioned that it wouldn't be a first run machine.

 

Dick had some great mentions. And you'd be able to change the angle.

 

Replacing OS X… 

 

Ooh, all the 17" MacBook Pro owners who begrudgingly shifted to 15" are clutching their laptops in terror…

 

I suppose everyone gets to do all of their work on an 8" screen in the future, huh?

LOL

This is the famous "Knowledge Navigator" of course.  

 

I don't see this happening at all though and it's not a direction Apple is currently moving in.  It's impractical and "old-fashioned" compared to even a basic iPad really.  

 

The more obvious move for future desktops (keep this under your hat in case Balmer is listening), and the direction Apple does seem to be moving, is to blend the screen and the keyboard/mouse into one unit.  As fancy as the Knowledge Navigator concept is, and as explicitly integrated as the screen and desktop seem to be in it, it still conceives of "things to look at" on the vertical surface, and "things to manipulate" on the lower horizontal surface.  It doesn't really dispense with the concept of screen and keyboard looked at this way.  

 

The latest iMac is very very close to "an iPad on a stick." The only patents Apple has shown on multi-touch desktops show something very similar to a "kneeling iMac" or an "iPad on a moveable/adjustable stick."  An iPad like device on a spring loaded stand of some kind, either slanted at a drafting table kind of angle, or adjustable to various angles, possibly with a detachable screen part as well, is a far more likely future desktop than this giant curved wall.  

 

The future is almost certainly filled with tablets, tablets, and more tablets and eventually the only difference between a tablet and a desktop will be whether you can pick it up.  And yes, we will all be typing on glass and in ten years, no one will care for regular old physical keyboards and most won't remember them.  

 

Thanks for the links.   

 

Ahh.... Tog...   I hadn't seen that video before.   Some great and prescient ideas!

I was skeptical about the mini. I have an original iPad nad I don't care for the weight or heat of the new iPads.

 

I picked up the mini, played with it for a few minutes and was sold. No, I didn't buy one, but I don't need one right now.

 

Anyway, the iPad mini is absolutely perfect. Truly a small computer. Amazing.

 

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Huh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad

For the WiFi versions:
iPad v.1 680 g
iPad v.4 650 g

cellular versions:
iPad v.1 730 g
iPad v.4 660 g

Both versions of the current iPad are lighter than the original iPad. So how could you be happy with the original's weight and not the new iPad?

 

In 2007, most people said the same of the iPhone (remember Blackberry's?  Old Windows Phones?)

 

And Apple had low expectations.... Remember when Steve Jobs just wanted 1% of the mobile Phone Market?

 

I get 40" in specialized situations (Doctors, 'Creative', Traders, maybe even developers)...  but to be profitable (in Apple levels) that would need to be millions a year.  and that would be much more than 10% of any market, and that's a huge risk.

 

I don't see a 5 million a year sold (if $5000, at 40% profit, that's 10Billion Profit a year, pretty much the target now of a successful Apple product in 2014.).

 

 

At least not now.

I think he was 'sold' on the Mini just for what it is, but at the same time still happy with his current iPad1 - he doesn't need a new one, Mini or Maxi. He, that's the first time I wrote that in reference to the 9.7"

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With all these stories on how great this Mini is, the positive experience many people have I think I'll check it out now that we have a Apple Store here as well. Totally don't need yet another iPad, but if people don't bother picking up their iPad3 anymore something is right with this new Mini.

Now how about an iPhone maxi - an iPad mini with phone? People don't seem to mind carrying 5+ inch Galaxy Notes around. I wonder if I'd want one to converge my phone and tablet, or if it would just be too large...

 

Me too. Call 'em up and got them working on that.

 

 

 

Me too, though it just got tougher to make them believe that now that the Minipad is selling so well.

 

Never try to second guess the customer.

Then why did he say: "I don't care for the weight or heat of the new iPads"

 

I'm still looking forward to Logic Studio or GarageBand touchscreen control. The Retina iPad is a good size, but I'd really love to have a control surface that sits right next to a full-size keyboard for input.

 

I'd have to dig to find the presentation and I don't have time right now, but I'm pretty sure he panned the size altogether, not just existing implementations. At least publicly, anyway. To me, his comments about sanding down fingertips were a pretty unambiguous denunciation of the size in general.

 

Mmm, delicious. I've thought of those applications specifically, too. I think all OS X applications (where it's feasible) should have their own apps for iPad control. OH! No, too much clutter: ONE app on the iPad, all OS X applications can feed in their custom controls to that app. Don't know what to call it, don't really know what to call what it's doing, even. It's basically adding the iPad as a third input device for… 

 

… We may have just come up with something big here. Just as the keyboard and mouse are used across all applications, so too would the iPad via this app, doing what both the mouse and keyboard cannot… What a PERFECT way to further help the transition to a fully multitouch desktop OS!

 

He panned all existing solutions, and he also stated (paraphrase) that "[they] don't think this size is enough to create great tablet apps."

I'm guessing Apple will simply create a retina iPad mini next year at the same $329 price point with the current non-retina one dropping to $249.

This won't make early adopters happy, but perhaps it'll please stockholders. 

While it would be nice to see price cuts across the line. But heck, with 6 mil iPad minis sold, they don't need to.

 

I hope they add a kickstand...

I love my Mini, got a VZ variant, and to be brutally honest in my heart of geek hearts, I'd buy a giant iPhone/Mini phablet in a heartbeat.

Throw in a BT headset and you're golden, hell, I'd hold it up to my head just to show it off

Stupid Walmart PR sends out a release saying they're discounting the 4th gen iPad to $399 and then has to correct themselves later in the day that its actually the 3rd gen being discounted (duh). Of course this spreads all over the www with people predicting iPad sales tanking.

Tanks for that. 

Thanks for the update Rogifan. I sent a buddy to Walmart to get the iPad deal and they said they knew nothing about it. I told him to wait and check again tomorrow. Because of your post I went to 9to5 to find that you're dead-on right. So while the $127 iPhone5 is a legit deal, the iPad for $399 is the 3 not the 4. I'll call my friend and tell him not to waste his time going back.

Wacom uses a 24" 16:10 touch screen as a drawing surface. It looks like a decent size. The premise of the article is unsurprising to me. They lowered the cost of entry. I would be surprised if either rmbp outsold the 11" or 13" air.

 

Thanks a million for the videos. I was particularly struck by the thick laptop shown in the boardroom scene. I'm sure they were thinking long and hard about how thin a laptop should be in the imagined future and still got something as chunky as '70s shoes...

 

If these figures are correct then it's really bad for Android tablets. The iPad is basically going to be another iPod, totally dominating until such time as it's entire category becomes obsolete.

 

 

Apparently the 17" MBP was a niche product though. I use my 15" MBP as a presentation unit for one-on-one and small groups. For getting work done I can see the light weight and smaller size MBA being a better choice on the road, and I love my 27" iMac for displaying multiple pages of documents. A 24" iPad would be my choice for a portable display unit for presentations if the weight didn't get out of control. 

 

I think it's essential to consider how a person intends to USE any device. There are times when the device is creating content and times when it is being used to present content (and I'm not talking about entertainment necessarily). There are times when one is working in an office and times when one is creating content on the road. Size, weight, costs, and utility are all variable considerations they each person values differently due to their unique situations.

Mini  is a MULTI-task device. It will surpass Kindle and Nook even though it is priced higher. Size is right!!  Price is right!!

Yep, that's exactly what's happening.

I bought a nexus 7, a PlayBook, Kindle Fire, HTC Flyer, and the iPad Mini is easily the best of all, it's fast enough, the resolution is good enough, it fits in my back pocket when I go to lunch, functions as a great remote for my Wifi enabled home stereo, and I can carry it back & forth to work in my man bag.

I work in a large hospital in LA, and I see patients/families carrying the iPad 2, and 3, they'll nearly all get replaced by Mini's.

As the costs of manufacturing come down, the retina Mini will take over the world...

Watching the mobile forums, I'm seeing a trend even among the Android fans of an Android phone and an iPad, and there's lots of chatter about the Mini. Apple nearly owns the tablet sector and clearly owns the premium tablet sector.

I really hope you are correct. I'm a competitive bastard that loves to see the competition struggle for each crumb of business. I wasn't so excited that Apple ruled the iPod market as to see Apple kick Zune to the curb with sales. 

 

Microsoft has the money to pursue the phone and tablet business bleeding money for years. But if Apple can squash Microsoft's sales so badly, they can send them into full retreat a lot earlier. This leaves the Android platform to bottom feed on thin margins and thin niches. 

Walmart's position is that they will beat ANY advertised price... take in the ad and remind them of their promise to beat advertised prices.

... and that it's a noisy as that Surface one? 

 

I wonder how that typing on a rug is working out for MS...?

You apparently haven't used a Magic Trackpad yet. I use one with my 27" iMac. It has inertial movement built in so I have very fine control of the position and yet can easily move across the whole screen in one swipe.

They almost always have fine print that says they're not obligated to match prices that are clearly in error.

Furthermore, the price match says they'll match competitors' prices. There's nothing there about matching their own prices.

In my opinion a dual screen iPad mini book would be a cool product to have. Imagine 2 iPad minis connected together via a hinge a bit like a notebook. Think of the Microsoft courier that never materialised. Held like a book, the dual screens would allow multitasking and reading a pleasure. Placed like a laptop, the 2nd screen would enable a full screen keyboard to type on therefore allowing the 1st screen to display a full screen app. iPad mini is light and thin enough for this to happen.

I can't say I'm keen on that. Thumb typing on glass with the iPhone is one thing, especially considering the cramped smartphone keyboards that came before, but replacing a real keyboard just to use an entire lighted display to type just seems like a waste to me. It's even worse tradeoffs than the Surface has.

And how would you support it as a notebook? A "kickstand" like the Surface or a hinge? In either case there are engineering issues that will add thickness, cost and complexity without actually giving you a good notebook experience. Even a netbook starts to look good then.

Easy to carry and large enough to view, I like it. I got one two days ago.

 

It's becoming more and more obvious that Apple shares your vision of multitouch computing. Look at the changes to the UI in iTunes 11 and tell me it wasn't designed to accommodate being operated on a touchscreen. Someone even mentioned in another thread that he hates the stupid little arrows that appear next to every title in list view that just do the same thing as right clicking... maybe somebody was thinking about a way to call up that menu when there IS no right click?