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More iPhone buyers this year are opting for Apple's latest model, the iPhone 5, than in previous years, suggesting more customers than ever are willing to pay for the best device available.

A new survey of more than 1,000 U.S. smartphone buyers by Morgan Stanley and AlphaWise found that 86 percent of respondents planning to buy an iPhone said they would choose the iPhone 5, which starts at $199 with a two-year service contract. In comparison, the same poll a year ago found that 82 percent said they would purchase the iPhone 4S, which at the time was Apple's latest model sold at that same price.

Morgan Stanley


In the December 2012 survey, 10 percent of customers who plan to buy an iPhone said they would choose the iPhone 4S, which sells for $99 with a new two-year service contract, while 4 percent said they would choose the iPhone 4, available for free with a contract.

In the same survey a year ago, 15 percent of customers said they would choose the iPhone 4, which was then sold for $99, while 3 percent opted for the iPhone 3GS, which was late 2011's free-on-contract handset from Apple.

Analyst Katy Huberty noted that the improvement in customers opting for the latest model is likely due to the fact that this year's model is a major upgrade with a redesigned exterior, larger 4-inch display, and high-speed 4G LTE connectivity. In comparison, last year's iPhone 4S model looked largely the same as its predecessor, the iPhone 4.

The survey from Morgan Stanley and AlphaWise also found that Apple leads the smartphone industry in customer retention. Among those surveyed, 83 percent of iPhone users said they plan to buy another iPhone, a 10-point improvement from a year ago.

Morgan Stanley


Apple's first-place finish was well ahead of Samsung, which has a 63 percent retention rate among users. However, customers' preference for Samsung grew significantly, surging 26 points from the 37 percent retention it had in the 2011 survey.

The poll also found that 64 percent of U.S. iPhone buyers had previously owned an iPhone. That's up 23 points from the 41 percent who were previous iPhone purchasers in 2011.
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This year's model is à major update : smash in the face of initial commenters ...
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More iPhone buyers this year are opting for Apple's latest model, the iPhone 5, than in previous years, suggesting more customers than ever are willing to pay for the best device available.

 

Of course. People wanted the larger screen last year and it didn't happen. As well as the 4S sold I still believe it could have been much better had Apple chosen a 4" screen last year.

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Of course. People wanted the larger screen last year and it didn't happen. As well as the 4S sold I still believe it could have been much better had Apple chosen a 4" screen last year.

Do you think it still wouldn't be the most popular iPhone sold 3 months in if hadn't been 4"? I think every year the new iPhone has outsold the previous model. Didn't Cook state that each new device is outselling all previous devices combined?

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Do you think it still wouldn't be the most popular iPhone sold 3 months in? I think every year the new iPhone has outsold the previous model. Did Cook state that each new device is outselling all previous devices combined?


I don't understand your query.

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I don't understand your query.

Your comment implies that it's only the most popular iPhone because the display is larger by 0.5".

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Bestbuy has the 4S for $49.99 until around Jan 5th.  A good one for my wife and the price is just right to get her an upgrade.  She won't need anymore than that.

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Of course. People wanted the larger screen last year and it didn't happen. As well as the 4S sold I still believe it could have been much better had Apple chosen a 4" screen last year.

I have to agree with you.  I personally think that Apple should make at least 2 different screen sizes having the 4 inch as one and then another at around 4.5 or 4.6. I think there is enough market demand for a larger sized screen, but they have to be careful not to make it too big.  I think 4.8 is too big, and 5 inch is just, well, dumb looking.  I could see Apple eventually coming out with a 5.5in tablet or something like an iPad micro.

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Your comment implies that it's only the most popular iPhone because the display is larger by 0.5".

 

The story implies [actually it "states", not implies] that even more people are opting for the newer device over the old iPhones. I'm saying that the increase in percentage of people opting for the new device is because of the 4" screen. (I could be misreading the story but it sounds like an even higher percentage of buyers are opting for the newest device rather than buying one of the older iPhones.)

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Bestbuy has the 4S for $49.99 until around Jan 5th.  A good one for my wife and the price is just right to get her an upgrade.  She won't need anymore than that.

Yeah, I run into a lot of women that like small phones.  They typically aren't the male geek oriented mentality where bigger is always better.  It's a macho thing.  Personally, because I'm older and need a decent sized screen just to see what's going on, for me, I would happy with a 4.5 or 4.6 inch screen, as long as it's thin and lightweight.  I'm more than happy with the 9.7inch iPad.

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I have to agree with you.  I personally think that Apple should make at least 2 different screen sizes having the 4 inch as one and then another at around 4.5 or 4.6. I think there is enough market demand for a larger sized screen, but they have to be careful not to make it too big.  I think 4.8 is too big, and 5 inch is just, well, dumb looking.  I could see Apple eventually coming out with a 5.5in tablet or something like an iPad micro.

I don't see Apple making a tablet any smaller. I have the iPad mini, and anything smaller wouldn't work at all for iPad-centric apps. You'd be forced into the huge majority of Android type of tablet apps - stretched-out phone apps. No thanks. 

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The story implies [actually it "states", not implies] that even more people are opting for the newer device over the old iPhones. I'm saying that the increase in percentage of people opting for the new device is because of the 4" screen. (I could be misreading the story but it sounds like an even higher percentage of buyers are opting for the newest device rather than buying one of the older iPhones.)

Oh, I'm not ruling out that the higher intention to buy (4% growth) and higher retention rate (10% growth) are due to the screen size but I don't see any evidence that correlates to a larger display being 'the' reason the iPhone is doing slightly better this year. This iPhone had the most radical changes of any YoY update. It could also be that isn't a new casing and not the new internals in the previous year's casing. What was the rise and fall of the intention to buy and retention rate between the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S?

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I have to agree with you.  I personally think that Apple should make at least 2 different screen sizes having the 4 inch as one and then another at around 4.5 or 4.6. I think there is enough market demand for a larger sized screen, but they have to be careful not to make it too big.  I think 4.8 is too big, and 5 inch is just, well, dumb looking.  I could see Apple eventually coming out with a 5.5in tablet or something like an iPad micro.

 

I have to say that I don't think it would hurt to have a phone that is larger than 4". Pricing might be a problem.

 

I think that if Apple released a slightly larger phone with the same pricing as the iP5 and then was able to drop the price of the iP5 then you might have a lethal combination. Having said that, I still think there is a huge market for the 3.5" 4S but maybe with an updated processor.

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For anyone interested in grabbing an iPhone5, now Fry's has joined Walmart in dropping the price to under $130 for the 16GB model. Only a dollar separates the two with Fry's coming in at $126, with a two year contract of course.

http://dealnews.com/Apple-iPhone-5-16-GB-Smartphone-for-126-in-Frys-stores-32-GB-for-226-more/648390.html

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its all about LTE

 

The monthly fee is the same regardless of choosing:

  • "slow and barely works where I live" 4g
  • or the "damn this is really fast" LTE

 

So spending $200 extra for the 5 is inconsequential.

$200 over 24 months... is about $8 extra a month, when you are spending $100 per month for service.

 

For me and those in my area, the small % premium of an iPhone 5 is well worth it for something that actually works.


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My sister in law said her sister in law is getting my niece a 4 and paying the first year of service for Christmas. I said, "really? The free phone? Couldn't just swing to the $47 4S?

It is about time that we Americans stop being fixated with 'free' phones and high monthly rates. I am hoping the tmobile plan next year disrupts the industry.
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Couldn't another argument be made that it's the best seller due to the upgrade cycle?  It's technically the 6th iPhone and most contracts are typically 2 years.  Thus, this would be the third upgrade for many people who bought the original iPhone.

Just a thought.

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I have to agree with you.  I personally think that Apple should make at least 2 different screen sizes having the 4 inch as one and then another at around 4.5 or 4.6. I think there is enough market demand for a larger sized screen, but they have to be careful not to make it too big.  I think 4.8 is too big, and 5 inch is just, well, dumb looking.  I could see Apple eventually coming out with a 5.5in tablet or something like an iPad micro.


I took a look of Samsung S3 and Note 2 this Sunday.  They are too big.  I think they are just a niche or fad.  The main purpose of a smartphone for majority users are still a mobile phone.  My friend  bought a used Lumia 820 with 4.3" screen.  He insists that its size is no problem.  But I noticed that he starts wearing a pant with two side pocket on the legs and he puts the phone in there.  LOL

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I don't see Apple making a tablet any smaller. I have the iPad mini, and anything smaller wouldn't work at all for iPad-centric apps. You'd be forced into the huge majority of Android type of tablet apps - stretched-out phone apps. No thanks. 

never say never, but I agree.  There will be 3 form factors.  Pant Pocket (iPhone/Touch, Coat/bathrobe Pocket (mini), and Brief/backback (iPad).

 

Once the mini is  Retinized, that will give developers 3 simple sizes to optimize for, rather than the 800 form factors of android.

 

Long term, a 15" -17" retina iPad will may make it's way into the world, but I see that as the 'pro' version, and not a consumer device.

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I think a 5S would suffice if it has a special hardware feature such as NFC.

NFC would not be possible in this current design, according to AnandTech. The metal back makes it difficult for the NFC to create it's loop. Of course, Apple could use a different material and it surely doesn't have to use the same design for two full cycles, but so far that is the pattern we've seen twice before.

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I think a 5S would suffice if it has a special hardware feature such as NFC.  As far as iPhone hardware not much else can be done that would impress people. The 4 inch screen and LTE were the las big things Apple was missing and now that the 5 has that everything else is just gravy.

 

The biggest upgrades for the iPhone I see necessary are software upgrades. iOS needs an overhaul in much the same way Apple gave iTunes an overhaul.

 

For sales, if Apple really wants to make a splash in the phone industry, they have to look at the low end just like they did with the iPad Mini. They already own the high end but they need something new and special on the low end.

 

Piling on, NFC still hasn't hit critical mass, and I do think Apple will want to steer to Passbook and use scanners (more ubiquitous).   

NFC has to hit a couple more security points before it should be utilized by the masses.

 

Prior to all that, I think the addition of biometric security on the touchscreen (fingerprint/capillary recognition) will be the 'next big' HW thing.   Pin + fingerprint (five moves to unlock) and an unlock with a fingerprint to permit payment (NFC, Bluetooth, PassBook scan of your Apple iTunes debit account) is as good as it gets for simple transactions.

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Piling on, NFC still hasn't hit critical mass, and I do think Apple will want to steer to Passbook and use scanners (more ubiquitous).   

NFC has to hit a couple more security points before it should be utilized by the masses.

 

Prior to all that, I think the addition of biometric security on the touchscreen (fingerprint/capillary recognition) will be the 'next big' HW thing.   Pin + fingerprint (five moves to unlock) and an unlock with a fingerprint to permit payment (NFC, Bluetooth, PassBook scan of your Apple iTunes debit account) is as good as it gets for simple transactions.

Passbook hasn't taken off either, and I believe that's partially because it's inconvenient and relatively hard to use for a novice user.

 

Apple needs an easy to use payment and card system that gets massive levels of support from retailers in order to have another tech revolution in smart phones. I think security will be essential for that system but security alone won't be the "next big" HW upgrade.

 

Security plus wallet features will come hand in hand and together will be the next big thing.

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NFC would not be possible in this current design, according to AnandTech. The metal back makes it difficult for the NFC to create it's loop. Of course, Apple could use a different material and it surely doesn't have to use the same design for two full cycles, but so far that is the pattern we've seen twice before.

Without NFC I can't imagine Apple just adding faster chips to the 5S and expecting people to be impressed. The iPhone is fast enough already and it's time for Apple to think outside the box on upgrades.

 

But I believe like with the iPad the "Premium" iPhone is reaching a plateau and Apple's biggest opportunies will come from new lower end hardware (ala iPad Mini), and software (completely reimagined iOS)

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Without NFC I can't imagine Apple just adding faster chips to the 5S and expecting people to be impressed. The iPhone is fast enough already and it's time for Apple to think outside the box on upgrades.

But I believe like with the iPad the "Premium" iPhone is reaching a plateau and Apple's biggest opportunies will come from new lower end hardware (ala iPad Mini), and software (completely reimagined iOS)

1) If we assume they'll follow the same pattern of keeping the same case design for the 5S and they will include NFC one solution could be to make the back panel out of RF transparent LiquidMetal. Is that in any way practical? Is LiquidMetal finally ready for primetime? Is NFC finally ready for Apple to step in and make it something that everyone finally want and uses? Is a redesign likely after one iteration? Are there other viable solutions not yet stated?

2) I think the iPhone can improve in performance in many areas. Going with a full Cortex-A15-like CPU, wider memory bandwidth like in the iPad 3 and 4, Rogue 6 GPU, faster LTE and WiFi (by an additional antenna and/or 802.11ac), and perhaps most important, faster NAND, which could also allow for the Thunderbolt connector to send/receive much faster simply by using faster NAND.

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You'll probably notice a lot of posts got deleted. I'm sick of that crap. "That crap" being blatant lies and willful idiocy (not ignorance) in the face of truth. There's no sense in it, and arguments thereafter only ever devolve into semantics and arguments about the act of arguing itself.

 

Best to just report the lies when you see them.

 

Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
People wanted the larger screen last year and it didn't happen. As well as the 4S sold I still believe it could have been much better had Apple chosen a 4" screen last year.

 

This cannot be proven by any means, nor can your other supposition about the reasons for purchasing the iPhone 5 be proven.


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Also remember there is nothing to prove that I am not right.

 

The ability to read any language created by human civilization can prove you wrong. That's why it didn't need to even be said, you know? One might think you're just trolling.


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1) If we assume they'll follow the same pattern of keeping the same case design for the 5S and they will include NFC one solution could be to make the back panel out of RF transparent LiquidMetal. Is that in any way practical? Is LiquidMetal finally ready for primetime? Is NFC finally ready for Apple to step in and make it something that everyone finally want and uses? Is a redesign likely after one iteration? Are there other viable solutions not yet stated?
2) I think the iPhone can improve in performance in many areas. Going with a full Cortex-A15-like CPU, wider memory bandwidth like in the iPad 3 and 4, Rogue 6 GPU, faster LTE and WiFi (by an additional antenna and/or 802.11ac), and perhaps most important, faster NAND, which could also allow for the Thunderbolt connector to send/receive much faster simply by using faster NAND.

 

 

1) Apple will likely keep the same case design, and although I agree changing the back panel to incorporate NFC isn't likely, I do still believe NFC can be a worthwhile feature if Apple uses their massive clout with retailers to get a full system in place to utilize it. It's a feature that, if it comes with the right ecosystem, could be groundbreaking.

 

 

2) All the features you listed matter squat to most consumers. Yes an iPhone with improved internals is welcome, but those improved internals MUST come with a vastly improved feature-set, and Apple knows this. For the 4S the "big" feature wasn't an A5 chip it was Siri, and Siri has now become a buzzword in media and on TV. So even for a hypothetical 5S Apple will have to add a feature with that amount of pizazz or more, to keep consumers interested.

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It's a feature that, if it comes with the right ecosystem, could be groundbreaking.

 

That's the thing: forcing companies to do something they haven't done in 50 years (change), in an industry that doesn't like to ever change in the first place, is insanely difficult. And Apple will be entering this field having zero ties to it whatsoever from their previous industries.

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You'll probably notice a lot of posts got deleted. I'm sick of that crap. "That crap" being blatant lies and willful idiocy (not ignorance) in the face of truth. There's no sense in it, and arguments thereafter only ever devolve into semantics and arguments about the act of arguing itself.

 

Best to just report the lies when you see them.

 

 

This cannot be proven by any means, nor can your other supposition about the reasons for purchasing the iPhone 5 be proven.

 

The ability to read any language created by human civilization can prove you wrong. That's why it didn't need to even be said, you know? One might think you're just trolling.


Lies? What horseshit.

 

If we were to delete every post where someone talks about why they "believe" one thing or another happened then you'd be deleting the vast majority of everything on this site... including the articles. This is a "rumor" site. Show me the truth in a rumor.

 

How about bullshit like... "they will never call it an iPhone 5" or "there is no valid reason to build an iPad Mini". My statements look like truth in comparison to the fuckups you bring to this site.

 

You should be removed as moderator. You're the biggest fucking troll on here.

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That's the thing: forcing companies to do something they haven't done in 50 years (change), in an industry that doesn't like to ever change in the first place, is insanely difficult. And Apple will be entering this field having zero ties to it whatsoever from their previous industries.

 

Apple did it with music and movies equally difficult industries. As far as ties, if Apple could get every one of their authorized retailers to buy into their concept of electronic purchasing they'd have all of the top retailers in the world on their side. If anyone could change retail it would be Apple.

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A smaller, cheaper iPhone nano that approaches the size of an iPod nano would be a huge hit. It could be the unsubsidized $300 phone Apple needs in the developing world, and be the phone of choice for young teens.

I was in an AT&T store recently and four other customers who were there were all buying iPhone 5s. Two were upgrades, two had what looked like Android devices. I asked the Android folks, why iPhone? The answer was the same. It was how beautiful the phone looked when compared to any other phone. They loved (one male, one female, unrelated) the build quality and feel. I asked about screen size, they said Apple's was perfect, and that the larger phones looked silly. Apparently, Apple knows what it is doing.
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
Lies? What horseshit.
*Size was the only thing that was truly different [about the iPhone 5 over the iPhone 4S].

 

Yeah, how about that.

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Yeah, how about that.

 

Read my explanation in the posts you deleted.

 

What were the differences between the 4 and the 4S?

 

What were the differences between the 4S and the 5?

 

when it comes right down to it the odd men out when those differences are compared side by side (as revised to include Solipsism's two changes):  size, more thin and lighter.

 

All the other "significant" changes were the same from the two columns.

 

... but you don't ask for explanations. You just call me a liar and get power hungry.


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I think a 5S would suffice if it has a special hardware feature such as NFC.  As far as iPhone hardware not much else can be done that would impress people. The 4 inch screen and LTE were the las big things Apple was missing and now that the 5 has that everything else is just gravy.

The biggest upgrades for the iPhone I see necessary are software upgrades. iOS needs an overhaul in much the same way Apple gave iTunes an overhaul.

For sales, if Apple really wants to make a splash in the phone industry, they have to look at the low end just like they did with the iPad Mini. They already own the high end but they need something new and special on the low end.

In my opinion, NFC can not exist in a vacuum. Near Field Communications for financial transactions requires improved security and a user interface.

I believe Apple has a few opportunities other than software but I agree there are seemingly few opportunities.

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NFC would not be possible in this current design, according to AnandTech. The metal back makes it difficult for the NFC to create it's loop. Of course, Apple could use a different material and it surely doesn't have to use the same design for two full cycles, but so far that is the pattern we've seen twice before.

While I believe Anand is correct, he may not have considered the potential use of liquidmetal for the back plate antenna.

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Piling on, NFC still hasn't hit critical mass, and I do think Apple will want to steer to Passbook and use scanners (more ubiquitous).   
NFC has to hit a couple more security points before it should be utilized by the masses.

Prior to all that, I think the addition of biometric security on the touchscreen (fingerprint/capillary recognition) will be the 'next big' HW thing.   Pin + fingerprint (five moves to unlock) and an unlock with a fingerprint to permit payment (NFC, Bluetooth, PassBook scan of your Apple iTunes debit account) is as good as it gets for simple transactions.

In my opinion, NFC won't reach critical mass until Apple enters the field.

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Passbook hasn't taken off either, and I believe that's partially because it's inconvenient and relatively hard to use for a novice user.

Apple needs an easy to use payment and card system that gets massive levels of support from retailers in order to have another tech revolution in smart phones. I think security will be essential for that system but security alone won't be the "next big" HW upgrade.

Security plus wallet features will come hand in hand and together will be the next big thing.

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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post

Without NFC I can't imagine Apple just adding faster chips to the 5S and expecting people to be impressed. The iPhone is fast enough already and it's time for Apple to think outside the box on upgrades.

But I believe like with the iPad the "Premium" iPhone is reaching a plateau and Apple's biggest opportunies will come from new lower end hardware (ala iPad Mini), and software (completely reimagined iOS)

While I agree that hardware development is plateauing, the the next generation iPhone may offer a few evolutionary features:
  • Apple A7 dual-core CPU
  • PowerVR Series 6 Rogue GPU
  • higher resolution camera
  • optical image stabilization
  • 802.11ac wi-fi
  • VoLTE support (software)
  • Additional tx antenna
  • NFC or Bluetooth SRFT
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Well, that's a disappointment.

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
What were the differences between the 4 and the 4S?

What were the differences between the 4S and the 5?

 

…when those differences are compared side by side:  size, more thin and lighter.

 

And this changes the point on which you were wrong in what capacity? Visual comparisons are the least meaningful, as shown time and again by dozens of trolls, but even that shows that what you said was wrong.

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If someone is trying to tell me that, if Apple had kept the same form factor with the 3.5" screen, replaced its guts with those found in the iPhone5, it would have sold in the numbers found with the 4" iPhone5.... well, I think that's ludicrous. Please note.... that is my belief.
 

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And this changes the point on which you were wrong in what capacity? Visual comparisons are the least meaningful, as shown time and again by dozens of trolls, but even that shows that what you said was wrong.


What the **** are you talking about?

 

Can we not say why we believe that something occurs? Or is that banned as well. You better close down the site if that's the case.

 

... and you've never proved me wrong.

 

Besides that, yesterday I referenced a poll which found that people wanted larger screens than 3.5" and that 4" to 4.5" were desired.

 

http://www.strategyanalytics.com/default.aspx?mod=reportabstractviewer&a0=7194

 

... and I've read a few other polls, albeit from tech sites, that confirm that finding.


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Originally Posted by currentinterest View Post

A smaller, cheaper iPhone nano that approaches the size of an iPod nano would be a huge hit. It could be the unsubsidized $300 phone Apple needs in the developing world, and be the phone of choice for young teens.

I agree that the low end is Apple's last big opportunity in the smartphone business because they have the mid to high end covered well.
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
Can we not say why we believe that something occurs? Or is that banned as well. You better close down the site if that's the case.

 

You didn't say that. You said "the size was the only change".


... and you've never proved me wrong.

 

http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/

 

Come on.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
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Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
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