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Two prominent investment firms view the record breaking opening weekend for Apple's iPhone 5 in China as a sign that the company's shares are undervalued, with strong performance likely to show up in this quarter's financials.

RBC Capital Markets said this week the news that Apple sold two million iPhone 5 units in China over its opening weekend as "a positive as the company continues to outpace the previous iPhone 4S launch setting up for" a positive December quarter. The firm stuck with its Outperform rating for AAPL, as well as its $750 price target.

Meanwhile, analysts at Wells Fargo see a strong Chinese open as keeping Apple on track to meet or beat Wells Fargo's prior estimate of 46 million iPhones sold in the December quarter. The firm sees the potential for some seasonal drop-off following a strong holiday quarter, but Wells Fargo maintained an Outperform rating, with a valuation range between $710 and $730.

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Wells' analysis, though, did see potential risks for Apple in the near future, with slowing growth a possibility due to tough comparisons, as well as the possibility of disruptions due to legal disputes and potential supply constraints. The report also drew attention to what it called "evolutionary versus revolutionary steps in innovation" as possible cause for concern.

Wells Fargo had an overall positive outlook on Apple, though, saying it believes the iPhone 5 will wind up as "the largest product cycle in consumer electronics' history," and calling Apple's brand, innovative DNA, and ecosystem "unmatched" within the industry and sure to result in a continuation of Apple taking value share across its core markets.

Other analysts have also reacted positively to Apple's blockbuster start for the iPhone 5 in China. Sales were so strong that Apple issues a press release to tout them on Sunday night ? the first time the company has ever done so for sales in that region.
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Apple told the China number in an attemp to help the stock. About time they do something about it...
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More bad news for Apple.. /s
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Apple told the China number in an attemp to help the stock. About time they do something about it...

Yeah, I'm sure they did it (specifically) to help the stock price.

Maybe they are a company and want to announce good results of things they do?

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So much for the "one person in line..." story. Total fiction and I am glad that Tim Cook set the record straight.
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As expected... the positive reports are starting to come in. Now they're going to drive the stock back up to $700.

 

I fully expected AAPL to be driven down into the high 400s and for it to take at least another week to see any positive news.
 


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Yeah, I'm sure they did it (specifically) to help the stock price.

Maybe they are a company and want to announce good results of things they do?

 

Maybe.  But if you're a publicly traded company, you owe it to your shareholders to do this, especially when the stock has slide like Apple's has.  I'm not saying Apple is doomed (TM), as I personally think the stock is undervalued as well.  But facts are facts.

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Apple told the China number in an attemp to help the stock. About time they do something about it...

 

Maybe they are a company and want to announce good results of things they do?

 

Yeah, to help the stock price.

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I can guarantee you that Apple, whether back in the day when Steve was running the company, or today with Tim Cook at the helm, they are not doing or saying things to try to manipulate stock prices.  They are executing their plans and running the business.  The stock market is manipulated enough by the Street, and it's been clear for the past 5+ years that Apple is undervalued and for some reason, not treated with the same respect that some other questionable businesses.

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So much for the "one person in line..." story. Total fiction and I am glad that Tim Cook set the record straight.

not a total fiction at all. 

 

There could have been merely one person in line. Because that might be the only person that didn't know that you have to lottery online because of all the dickhead resellers and their behavior over the past couple of launches. So the rest of the sales were from the lottery and since they were paid for there was no need to line up to be sure to get a phone. 

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I can guarantee you that Apple, whether back in the day when Steve was running the company, or today with Tim Cook at the helm, they are not doing or saying things to try to manipulate stock prices.  

 

No but they do have a duty to reveal some bits of information and that is what they did and still do. If it changes the stock price okay, if not, that's okay too. And sometimes even Steve and Tim might decide on timing an announcement in the hopes of it causing a raise in price. Nothing wrong with that. Just as long as they don't start designing etc by how it will change the stock price. Last thing I want is Apple getting in bed with a company simply because the analysts will talk positive about the deal even though there's no benefit to me as an end user

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Apple is screwed because they're not innovating. Evidence? Duh! They haven't told us about any secret products they're currently developing.

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Say nothing of the financial gain, I can't wait for this stock to go back up into the $700's so that at least some of the ignorant journalists can be exposed as imbeciles.
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I can guarantee you that Apple, whether back in the day when Steve was running the company, or today with Tim Cook at the helm, they are not doing or saying things to try to manipulate stock prices.  They are executing their plans and running the business.  The stock market is manipulated enough by the Street, and it's been clear for the past 5+ years that Apple is undervalued and for some reason, not treated with the same respect that some other questionable businesses.

 

Like Amazon?

 

It still astounds me that they release no sales figures on their products and the market loves them - Apple does and gets hammered.  

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Yeah, to help the stock price.

when 100s or 1000s of "analysts" make up lies to sink the stock, Apple releases facts to prove these "analysts" are wrong.

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Originally Posted by DethByUngaBunga View Post
…I can't wait for this stock to go back up into the $700's so that at least some of the ignorant journalists can be exposed as imbeciles.


They won't be, though.

 

They won't be fired. They won't be jailed. They'll be given a raise.

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Say nothing of the financial gain, I can't wait for this stock to go back up into the $700's so that at least some of the ignorant journalists can be exposed as imbeciles.

 

Many of the things they are saying about Apple, unless an analyst has come right out and said that Apple is doomed, still might be true. Even then, it still doesn't account for the current value of the stock.

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Wealthier, Ignorant journalists exposed as imbeciles.
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No but they do have a duty to reveal some bits of information and that is what they did and still do.

You'd be surprised at how little information a company is obligated to release. They most certainly do NOT have any duty to release the information covered by this thread.
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They won't be, though.

They won't be fired. They won't be jailed. They'll be given a raise.

Of course. They managed to drive the stock down far enough that ANY moron can see that it's a 'buy' - so people will remember their 'buy' recommendations, not the activity that drove the stock down.

I think it's interesting that a negative analyst report drives the stock down a couple percent, but a positive report only increases the price by a few tenths of a percent.

There's clearly a big pool of negativity out there.
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How could this be?

 

I thought that in the entire country of China, only one Chinese guy was standing in line in front of an Apple store. The iPhone was obviously a huge failure, an Android tablet like flop.

 

And now, it turns out that this reporting was misleading, wrong, inaccurate and deceptive?

 

Were the retards who dare to call themselves journalists even aware of the new reservation system put in place by Apple?

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See what other story can they make next time !! How about a crazy screaming woman standing outside of china apple store to stop people buy the iPhone 5s?
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Like Amazon?

 

It still astounds me that they release no sales figures on their products and the market loves them - Apple does and gets hammered.  

Yep - that was one specific company I had in mind.  RIM was the other, but enough Streeters finally realized they couldn't keep propping them up.

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""the largest product cycle in consumer electronics' history,""

 

Wow, I guess that one lone guy in line bought a lot of phones! Must have had one of the Ultra-Black AMEX cards.

 

#idiots

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Wealthier, Ignorant journalists exposed as imbeciles.

^this^ on the journalist front: how much homework was necessary (if any?) to "discover" the Apple reservation system put in place in reaction to the previous releases riots?

 

Answer: just about none.

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This is the moment when the average investor realizes that many analysts have as much credibility, utility, and validity as movie critics.
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The stock is up today for one reason: people think a "fiscal cliff" deal is imminent. The stock market as a whole is up, heck Amazon is up over 3%.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
The stock is up today for one reason: people think a "fiscal cliff" deal is imminent. The stock market as a whole is up, heck Amazon is up over 3%.

 

I still don't believe we'll do it in time. I sort of wish we don't.

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The stock market as a whole is up, heck Amazon is up over 3%.

Which means that their earnings multiple increased by more than twice Apple's TOTAL earnings multiple.
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Off-topic, but man, PRC Simplified Chinese still isn't exactly "simple."

Plusgood.  But not doubleplusgood.

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It's funny because apples geared a little different than other company's if you look at it correctly as long as Apple keeps the Values Steve put in place then apple will always be around. So I see no reason not to invest I can see apple leading well into 2050 I mean all the fans that love apple so much won't let this giant crumble neither will the execs that love it to.
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I can guarantee you that Apple, whether back in the day when Steve was running the company, or today with Tim Cook at the helm, they are not doing or saying things to try to manipulate stock prices.  They are executing their plans and running the business.  The stock market is manipulated enough by the Street, and it's been clear for the past 5+ years that Apple is undervalued and for some reason, not treated with the same respect that some other questionable businesses.

this is very true. It seems they treat apple like second class citizen thing is they're all waiting for apple to blunder
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Apple is screwed because they're not innovating. Evidence? Duh! They haven't told us about any secret products they're currently developing.
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Say nothing of the financial gain, I can't wait for this stock to go back up into the $700's so that at least some of the ignorant journalists can be exposed as imbeciles.
^Agreed
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I am sure Citi is feeling like a crap! So I can just see all those analyst who did an about turn over the weekend and Monday is now going to do another about turn on Thursday. I know lot of people don't like Jim Crammer on CNBC, who I think is okay, had also started doing the flip-dance. Here is the guy who was praising Apple and when think started going south, he changed in his mind. And then today, he was trying to explain why Citi had made the call they made about Apple and trying to justify their action. And than ended up the segment, that people should look at the fundamental and should do their our research and not to believe on what the analysts are saying! Huh? Isn't channel like yours suppose to providing some helpful information?

Bottom like - Yes! Do your own research! Most of this people up on the financial network are practically bozos - At end of the day, they are paid by the respective parties and they are just most piece - I don't think the disclosures that they have about analysts makes any sense.
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I think what Apple should do is reverse split 1 for 2. This will double up the price of the shares. Yes, typically reverse splits are not done for this purpose - But Apple could be the first. What this will do is get rid of those day traders and manipulators. This will get rid of those shorts and make them hurt. Once that is done - Only the quality investors would be around. 

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As expected... the positive reports are starting to come in. Now they're going to drive the stock back up to $700.

 

I fully expected AAPL to be driven down into the high 400s and for it to take at least another week to see any positive news.
 


Yes, Apple has been hit by stock game playing by the big market players, then recently yr end profit taking.

With Apple's financial numbers, the stock price has to rise significantly.

I bought a few more Apple shares recently, too good a deal to resist.

 

This week may be the start of the turn around, although a few days of yr end profit taking remain.

Then WATCH AAPL RISE !!!

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