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Man, Apple is all over the shop. Not good. Glad I'm switching to Android.

Apple hasn't said this. Some analyst with tons of clients investing in Texas Instruments, so he's trying to make them money inflating the stock, said it. Carries about the same truth as what he flushed this morning

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Lol! Seems like some serious DOJ action needs to hit on these so called anal-yst's
For what? Talking out of your ass isn't antitrust etc. if any of them actually hits on truth there might be insider trading etc but that's SEC not DOJ, at least in round one.

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post #43 of 69
I can see Apple going to a six month schedule. I don't know about Retina though because of cost issues. Perhaps as a high end model.
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If I have to wait until October 2013 for iPad 5,
then that means I'll be stuck using a 2-generation old iPad for almost another year ....

You choose to be stuck so either get over the reasons or the wait. Your call

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I'm wondering if Apple would have 2 models... retina and non retina... spreading out the pricing even more.

This.

 

I think we'll see the current iPad Mini sold for $299 and a Retina model sold for $399, just like the fullsize iPad ($399/$499).

 

People will be able to choose between a lightweight functional tablet, or a powerhouse retina tablet in either size.

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@ddawson I just don't have that confidence in Apple anymore.

I used to have an Android device. Man, that was unreliable. I was astonished by the poor battery life but didn't have a good comparison. Now I know it was weak to begin with. And build quality. Android phone owners I know like to point out the best about their gadget. There's a lot to love, really, but then, they're like, oh, yeah, can't upgrade to the latest. Only such and such cores. No custom ROM for my device to accomodate this or that from my carrier. Blah, blah. A lot more unpredictable, IMO. Sure, Nexus, Kindle, etc, but there's always a gotcha somewhere during your ownership of that device.

 

I'm just puzzled that you could have less confidence in Apple's trajectory than anyone else's. You might even disagree with where they're going but you can't really say that it's unreliable. To each their own.

 

PS. I know you could say nice things about Apple as well since you've got so many iOS (and OS X) devices. That's cool. I think it's good to have the gains of whatever the best platforms are. No sense in being a fanboy or poking fun at people just because they choose this device or that. I'll say one thing - since you have both platforms you're in a good position to compare. Although it doesn't seem that anyone will allow you your opinion here. :)

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
So you are saying that you think a change in the release schedule will devalue Apple's brand?

 

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, and it's what many have said since Android manufacturers started farting out phones every three months.


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If I have to wait until October 2013 for iPad 5,
then that means I'll be stuck using a 2-generation old iPad for almost another year ....

 

So what? I use a first-gen. Runs spectacularly.


If I don't have the latest iPad, I feel left out, somehow.

 

That's psychological on your part.

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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, and it's what many have said since Android manufacturers started farting out phones every three months.

 

So what? I use a first-gen. Runs spectacularly.

 

That's psychological on your part.

 

I think the cheap quality of a lot of those phones devalues them more than the release cycle.

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
I think the cheap quality of a lot of those phones devalues them more than the release cycle.

 

Now that's a valid point. I don't entirely agree, but I certainly agree it's a factor.

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I agree that it is unlikely for Apple to release a RP version of iPad Mini before they improve battery efficiency (even) more. After that, iPad 3 had to get fat to accommodate a larger battery. I don't think they will do that with Mini. At the same time, they must have been working to bring the iPad thickness back down for a while now. So, if they are ready to release an iPad5 that is thinner than iPad4, the same battery technology can likely be used for RP-Mini. But will they release both at the same time? Christmas and Mini seem to be made for each other and Apple may continue that trend.

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... In reference to the iPad mini, what does it say that Apple themselves are perhaps concerned the iPad mini may not face the challenges of 7" Android tablets coming out 2013-2014? ...

 

Not to butt in to your interesting argument with the other person, but this strikes me as biased and delusional (even with the "perhaps").  

 

At best you are making some broad, sweeping assumptions here.  I don't see any indications and haven't heard of a single rumour that would indicate an Android based tablet is even close to Apple in terms of workmanship, value for money, design, sales, or popularity.  You could just as easily (and as accurately) assert that Apple is speeding up it's production to avoid having left over stock after the world ends.  There is as much proof of that scenario as there is of your assumption.  

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Part of brand value is resell value.

Perhaps to you but not everyone thinks about reselling stuff. Which I why they still use original iPhones and iBook g4s

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post #53 of 69
I reckon iPad Mini2 and iPad5 will be released in Spring or Summer 2013. The Mini with a Retina display and faster SoC, ipad5 with a much thinner and lighter body and new touch screen tech that lets you feel as well as see what's on the screen (I saw this tech demoed some months back and it seemed almost production ready) that and I think the iPhone5's 8MP rear facing camera will be the main differentiators between the full size iPad and the upgraded Mini.
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Perhaps to you but not everyone thinks about reselling stuff. Which I why they still use original iPhones and iBook g4s

 

Resale value of a product is actually a part of brand value, whether a person wants to resell an item or not. (no malice intended)

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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post
Which is why they still use original iPhones…

 

Or we're just not pouring money out our ears.

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LOL, have you actually seen my post history? "Switching" because I have an iPad3, iPhone5, iPhone4. Now using my Xperia S as my main phone and Nexus 7 as main tablet.

                 [blah... blah... blah...] 

I await a legitimate response from you.

 

So you're switching to Android.

 

Well good for you.  Nobody cares.  Have a nice life.

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So are some of those rumored supplier order cuts reflecting the shift to the new product? The display would be the logical shift for one.

 

An full size iPad in the form factor (thinness) of the mini would be an auto-buy for me. I like my three but a lower weight would be appreciated.

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Well,

 

I Apple can pull of a Retina Display in the Mini without making it thicker or heaver, it would be a smash hit...  

 

Heck it already is a smash hit....  It would have to be a super duper smash hit....

 

I personally think a Retina Mini is about a ear away.  This is based only on the pace at which battery energy density has been improving over the last few years....

That may depend on what version of "retina" is used and that varies. There's functional where it's the pixel density at using distance etc. and then there's squishing the pixel dimensions of the iPad 4 "retina" into the mini's dimensions. The former could be accomplished now I believe (there's retina in the iPhone 5 with it's sleek form factor so if it scaled proportionally...) while the latter's (iPad 4 dimensions) very high resulting pixel density would be a much greater challenge.

 

And it's very unclear when people throw about what is at it's heart a marketing term which version is being referred to...

post #59 of 69
Well it is coming 2013 that is all I care at this point, however I hope there is only one IOS device released every season. But Apple TV, of course is excluded.
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It does not matter, the world ends on Friday.  Just ask the Mayans.

 

But if the world did not end Friday, it would be reasonable to expect that some time in the future Apple will release a hi-rez iPad mini.  

 

The bigger question might be hi-rez Thunderbolt Displays?  Or new Mac Pro's?   

 

Maybe the anal-lysts can't see those in the future without a hi-rez display.

 

Maybe if the Mayans had a higher resolution tablets they could have made a longer calendar?

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Originally Posted by msimpson View Post

Maybe if the Mayans had a higher resolution tablets they could have made a longer calendar?

 

Back then that would have equated to smaller chisels.

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I used to have an Android device. Man, that was unreliable. I was astonished by the poor battery life but didn't have a good comparison. Now I know it was weak to begin with. And build quality. Android phone owners I know like to point out the best about their gadget. There's a lot to love, really, but then, they're like, oh, yeah, can't upgrade to the latest. Only such and such cores. No custom ROM for my device to accomodate this or that from my carrier. Blah, blah. A lot more unpredictable, IMO. Sure, Nexus, Kindle, etc, but there's always a gotcha somewhere during your ownership of that device.

I'm just puzzled that you could have less confidence in Apple's trajectory than anyone else's. You might even disagree with where they're going but you can't really say that it's unreliable. To each their own.

PS. I know you could say nice things about Apple as well since you've got so many iOS (and OS X) devices. That's cool. I think it's good to have the gains of whatever the best platforms are. No sense in being a fanboy or poking fun at people just because they choose this device or that. I'll say one thing - since you have both platforms you're in a good position to compare. Although it doesn't seem that anyone will allow you your opinion here. 1smile.gif

Thank you for your reasoned attitude. With such an attitude you won't last long here. 1biggrin.gif ...I am all about user experience and benefit for the user. No one company dominates in such a fashion, and this is how freedom, democracy and free markets is supposed to operate. Even in the heyday of Steve Jobs' resurgence I had a PC for gaming, until Windows became so unusable for gaming that I got an Xbox360 about a year ago.

For computer, I have a MacBook Air 13" 2012 entry-level and 27" ACD. MBA ~ best laptop ever made, ever. I have iPhone 5 and iPad 3 because I do need those for work. In terms of new devices the Xperia S and Nexus 7 are quite nice.

You see, people don't understand the recent developments with Android 4.x ~ the Xperia S was literally unusable on 2.3.7 until recently, as in, just a few months, ago, official carrier 4.0.4 came out for Xperia S. It's a totally different device ~ just like when iOS 4 came out and iPhone 3G and 3GS started to really sing.

Yes, things are unpredictable with Android but if you get Android 4.x with your device and just run stock it's actually quite okay. Not as rock-solid as iOS but certainly a lot more sophisticated. So Android 4.x is catering for new users, younger users, enthusiast users, and then "hardcore" users.
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Not to butt in to your interesting argument with the other person, but this strikes me as biased and delusional (even with the "perhaps").  

At best you are making some broad, sweeping assumptions here.  I don't see any indications and haven't heard of a single rumour that would indicate an Android based tablet is even close to Apple in terms of workmanship, value for money, design, sales, or popularity.  You could just as easily (and as accurately) assert that Apple is speeding up it's production to avoid having left over stock after the world ends.  There is as much proof of that scenario as there is of your assumption.  

The Nexus 7 matches the iPad mini or surpasses the iPad mini in workmanship, value for money, useability and sophistication. It's actually quite nice. The screen is vivid, 720p HD, excellent colour and viewing angle, and very nicely oleophobic (unlike iPad 3 which is not as oleophobic as iPad 1). The Nexus 7 is reasonably light, and the bevel and glass on the front sits very nicely with the "grippy" back. It has good build quality. Design wise, yes, it all follows the iPad lineage so it's just as nice. Sales-wise Android tablets are lagging iPad, but for smartphones one cannot doubt that Android is going toe-to-toe with iPhone even if you just think about Android mid-to-high-end smartphones. Then Nexus 7 with Android 4.2 ~ this is arguably one of the most sophisticated mobile/tablet operating systems out there. It doesn't have the most sophisticated apps (yet) compared to iPad 3 and 4 which is of course stellar, but if you are talking 7", Nexus 7 is definitely a real contender. No assumptions need to be made, no fanciful rumours need to be entertained ~ just play with one for a few days that has Android 4.2 on it. I guarantee after 20 hours with it any average mobile user will "get" the potential of Android.

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So you're switching to Android.

Well good for you.  Nobody cares.  Have a nice life.

Nice. Real mature.
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Does this mean the schedule's now thus ....?
PRODUCT RELEASE MONTH
iPadMini March
iPad October
I hate to think so, 'cause I skipped iPad 3 & 4 because of the weight & the long charge times.
If I have to wait until October 2013 for iPad 5,
then that means I'll be stuck using a 2-generation old iPad for almost another year ....
I mean, don't get me wrong -- my iPad 2 has served me quite well.
It even runs the latest graphically intensive [like the highly disappointing "Modern Combat 4", for example
& presumably, "Real Racing 3"] games flawlessly.
It's just that, you know ....
If I don't have the latest iPad, I feel left out, somehow.
Plus, 2 1/2 years using the same iPad's wayyy too long.

 

An iPad mini update in March would be the right time to catch the next wave of purchases of education buyers. It will also blunt all the January announcements that will have come out of CES. I don't expect Apple to go to a six-month release schedule, however Apple is transitioning to a shorter and more disruptive release schedule that will put the competition off of planning on predicting Apple's next moves.

 

As for your complaining about having to use an iPad 2 for several more months... At least it's STILL a currently sold iPad model. My main computer is an Intel based MBP that is beginning it's 7th years of use.  1wink.gif

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So are some of those rumored supplier order cuts reflecting the shift to the new product? The display would be the logical shift for one.

 

An full size iPad in the form factor (thinness) of the mini would be an auto-buy for me. I like my three but a lower weight would be appreciated.

 

There's a lot to love in the full sized iPad, but I'm leaning toward an iPad mini due to the weight factor alone. The new in-cell laminating of the touch-display allows for greater brightness, along with halving the number of illumination units, may allow the next gen 10" iPad to lose some battery weight and thin down a bit as well. All are good things, moving forward...

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The Nexus 7 matches the iPad mini or surpasses the iPad mini in workmanship,

Have you seen the iFixit teardowns? I'd say you're very biased.
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value for money,

Value is something that can only be determined by an individual so I do believe you when you say the iPad (or any Apple product) holds less value for you but do you think you're attempting to be objective? You sure have shown that you are trying.
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useability

Hard to argue how one with a very successful app store is less usable. Oh yeah, it's open¡
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and sophistication.

Care to justify that? I guess I can see it if you are someone who thinks a velco wallet is sophisticated.


Look, it's great that you like Android and think everything Apple does is horrible. You are entitled to your opinion and there are valid reasons to like/dislike anything (not that you've actually stated any in this thread) but why come to this forum to tell people how horrible Apple is and how great Android is? Why do it?

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Hard to argue how one with a very successful app store is less usable. Oh yeah, it's open¡

Being open is good when it concerns people. Software, not so much. Which has been said about Android, back in 2010 already

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Look, it's great that you like Android and think everything Apple does is horrible. You are entitled to your opinion and there are valid reasons to like/dislike anything (not that you've actually stated any in this thread) but why come to this forum to tell people how horrible Apple is and how great Android is? Why do it?

Again, why are you getting so worked up? I'm just saying which Apple products I like, and which I don't, which Android products I like, and which I might not. Isn't that the purpose of a "web forum" in these exciting times?

Certainly your rage seems to provide some additional entertainment, but it is definitely not my intent.

Not to mention how long I've been on these forums.

BTW they do discuss Apple on AndroidCentral Forums which I also follow.

But there is a lot of cross-pollination now between Apple and Android though Android as I mentioned is now more aggressively innovating after their admittedly slavish copying in the first few versions. Something I think is pertinent to discuss.

I'm not violating any rules by saying one thing or another "pro-" or "anti-" Apple.

I am disturbed by recent developments at Apple but that's also the point of this website to highlight such developments, whether one likes them or not.

Apple and Android are not sacred animals parading on the street which no one is supposed to touch.

Of course there is a lot of "colour" to my writing but hey, gotta put those childhood creative writing classes to use, right?
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They'll not get very far until they get the price right.....they are playing in a consumer market here and I'm afraid price is a huge factor in how consumer make their purchasing decisions. Eco systems don't mean a lot to a parent strapped for cash with a baying teenager wanting a tablet. Apple have just got to get in there and kill off the opposition with very aggressive educational pricing. the rest will tumble. Mum and dad aren't going to buy an android tab if their child's school will give them an iPad at a greatly reduced price. Once they experience iOS then, like MS Office, it will become ubiquitous and future sales will follow.   

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They'll not get very far until they get the price right.....they are playing in a consumer market here and I'm afraid price is a huge factor in how consumer make their purchasing decisions. Eco systems don't mean a lot to a parent strapped for cash with a baying teenager wanting a tablet. Apple have just got to get in there and kill off the opposition with very aggressive educational pricing. the rest will tumble. Mum and dad aren't going to buy an android tab if their child's school will give them an iPad at a greatly reduced price. Once they experience iOS then, like MS Office, it will become ubiquitous and future sales will follow.   

But I thought the iPad mini is perfect at a perfect price point? Seriously though, the iPad mini price is quite decent, do you think it is still too high? Curious. Because I prefer the Nexus 7, but iPad mini ~does seem~ to be aggressively priced.
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