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Samsung has reportedly launched a new lawsuit against Apple's implementation of the iOS Notification Center, saying that the feature infringes on an active patent.

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Not much is known about the suit, which was reported by Korean news site iNews24 and subsequently picked up by the business-to-business portfolio resource BrightWire on Thursday, but FOSS Patents' Florian Mueller believes the IP in question is not a standard-essential patent assertion like many of the others currently being heard in courts around the world.

It is unclear if Samsung is leveraging a patent it owns or an enhancement of an existing patent that was issued prior to the debut of Apple's solution. Mueller notes, however, that Google recently received a U.S. patent for a similar feature, most likely the same property responsible for Android's Status Bar and other assets. Apple launched Notification Center with iOS 5 in 2011, some time after Google's notification system was already shipping with Android handsets.

Apple's Notification Center allows quick access to email, push notifications, messages, weather and other assets from a pull-down screen that can be accessed from anywhere in iOS. Most recently, Notification Center gained Facebook integration with iOS 6 and made its way to the Mac with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion.
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In celebration, everybody go out to your nearest Samsung store and smash a television!

 

Just kidding...

 

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Google's patent specifies an icon indicating the presence of a notification in a bar across the top of the screen.

 

Apple's method doesn't use this, at all, it's more based on the pull down menus from Lisa from the early eighties.

 

I guess we'll just have to wait for more details of this Samsung held patent.

 

I wonder if it could be used as prior art to request a review of Google's recently awarded notification patent for Android, it all depends on which one was filed first.

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Fandroids all over the world are spinning their heads. After all that time of accusing Apple of stealing the Notification Center from Android, now Samsung has some kind of patent on it when N.C. was Google's "Idea"?

Say it ain't so!! How are the Fandroids going to spin this story?
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Samsung.  You sued me so we are gonna sue you every chance we get.  No matter what.

 

Apple.  F#@% you.  Bring it on ass wipes.

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In celebration, everybody go out to your nearest Samsung store and smash a television!

 

Just kidding...

 

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Just don't buy one, they'll get the hint eventually.........

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I love android and yeah I am confused. I would say apples Notification center is poor copy of Google's android notification but I would be wrong. It is a poor copy of Samsung's notification. /s   

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Just don't buy one, they'll get the hint eventually.........

 

Okay, let's confirm that for everybody:

 

Kick in a TV but don't buy it.

 

Also, don't buy a TV then kick it in.

 

That would be bad. Worse than purchasing from Samsung in the first place.

 

Yeah, that scenario is actually possible.

 

By the way, the other day I wandered into the Samsung Sydney store (just down the road from the Apple store - nice try, Samsung).

 

Does anybody have any hints on how to wash the stink out?


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I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

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I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

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I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

It's not even clear that the IP claims concern the notification bar per se. Give it another day or so and I'm sure more details will come out.

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I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

 

Google owns a patent on the notification center.  Samsung also holds a patent on how they implemented it on their phones.  Like most innovations these days, everybody adds a minor twist and tries to use that minor twist to block others from using the whole technology.  The current system encourages micropatented nifty but relatively underwhelming things.  Mobile patents seem to be among the worst since a huge number of the patents are things that have been done for years- but people are patenting that same functionality with the innovation being that it is now 'on a mobile device'

 

Google has not chosen to sue Apple using its patent.  Just because you have a patent doesn't mean you have to sue everyone.  They may choose to sue Apple at a later date (and may even be encouraged to do so if Samsung wins, or it may encourage Apple to settle out of court with Google)

Samsung has chosen to sue Apple using its patent.  This particular case is about Samsung vs Apple.

 

 

The courts and lawyers should just save a lot of time and money and use my verdict.

 

Verdict:

Notifications were a highly innovative and extremely useful addition to mobile devices.  No mobile device (not even the iPhone) could even really be considered modern without it.  Google came up with it, Samsung implemented it, and Apple saw its benefit.  Apple copied it fairly blatantly, with barely even a minor cosmetic difference.

 

Apple:  Guilty of infringing on Samsungs patent.

Samsungs patent (and Googles if they choose to 'expose' it to the courts):  Useful.  Innovative.  Obvious.  Fairly trivial.  Invalid.

Damages: 0

 

If the courts keep doing this consistently to both sides, they will learn that paying a lot of money for lawyers to argue with each other isn't panning out and patenting trivial things isn't going to get you a billion dollars nor gain an injunction to prevent any competition in the market. 

 

The 'bar' for what constitutes a patent needs to be set far closer to an invention than an innovation:

You come to the patent office with something more akin to 'electricity'  Yep.  That's a patent.  FRAND only.

You come to the patent office with:

Cut and paste has been on desktops for years via highlighting and dragging with a mouse.  My 'amazing' invention is you do the same thing on a touchscreen, but now you're using your finger!  Other companies can still compete if I choose not to license my patent, they'll just have to have their users carry around a mouse and connect it to their cell phones (*snicker*).   No patent for you. 

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Okay, let's confirm that for everybody:

Kick in a TV but don't buy it.

Also, don't buy a TV then kick it in.

That would be bad. Worse than purchasing from Samsung in the first place.

Yeah, that scenario is actually possible.

By the way, the other day I wandered into the Samsung Sydney store (just down the road from the Apple store - nice try, Samsung).

Does anybody have any hints on how to wash the stink out?

Tomato juice should wash that stink right off, oh and if you kick in a TV you just bought it lol.
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Fandroids all over the world are spinning their heads. After all that time of accusing Apple of stealing the Notification Center from Android, now Samsung has some kind of patent on it when N.C. was Google's "Idea"?
Say it ain't so!! How are the Fandroids going to spin this story?


This might relate to Samsung's Bada OS, which also had a drop down notification bar, and several other features, prior to them appearing in iOS.  As an example:

 

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In celebration, everybody go out to your nearest Samsung store and smash a television!

Don't they lose money on every set sold? But if one is broken they can probably have their insurance cover it so the best way to screw Samsung is to buy a TV from them? 1biggrin.gif
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Don't they lose money on every set sold? But if one is broken they can probably have their insurance cover it so the best way to screw Samsung is to buy a TV from them?

Then you're stuck with a Samsung TV.

In all fairness, they aren't terrible. They're better than house-brand TVs, but I'm annoyed with mine.
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Then you're stuck with a Samsung TV.
In all fairness, they aren't terrible. They're better than house-brand TVs, but I'm annoyed with mine.

I like Samsung's TVs. I've recommended several this year. What I don't care for is their SmartTV SW, but I don't care for anyone's setup. If you can get the features you want without getting a SmartTV I say that is the best way to go, but that seems pretty tough to do these days. I also the quality of the phones and notebooks they make compared to other vendors in the same price categories.

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Don't they lose money on every set sold? But if one is broken they can probably have their insurance cover it so the best way to screw Samsung is to buy a TV from them? 1biggrin.gif

Where did you find that? Does it just apply to cheaper models? It wouldn't make sense to stay in such a market indefinitely. If you look at NVidia, they make very little on the sale of $100 graphics cards, yet the volume sold helps overcome the fabrication costs of their chips.

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I like Samsung's TVs. I've recommended several this year. What I don't care for is their SmartTV SW, but I don't care for anyone's setup. If you can get the features you want without getting a SmartTV I say that is the best way to go, but that seems pretty tough to do these days. I also the quality of the phones and notebooks they make compared to other vendors in the same price categories.

I've not been sold on the smart TV product just yet, so that's not a problem for me. Hopefully I can pretend the feature isn't there or turn that off.

I can't adjust the black level of my Samsung to where I think it should be without crushing blacks, "black" ends up being a lighter gray than I think it should be. I wish I had spent the little more on a Panasonic, the blacks would be better and the controls would probably be better too. One saving grace is Samsung does include a zoom mode that turns off overscan, which is ideal for computer use.
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I've not been sold on the smart TV product just yet, so that's not a problem for me. Hopefully I can pretend the feature isn't there or turn that off.
I can't adjust the black level of my Samsung to where I think it should be without crushing blacks, "black" ends up being a lighter gray than I think it should be. I wish I had spent the little more on a Panasonic, the blacks would be better and the controls would probably be better too. One saving grace is Samsung does include a zoom mode that turns off overscan, which is ideal for computer use.

You should've went with a plasma. The picture on a LED look "fake" and overexposed, a plasma is the closest thing to the picture on a CRT.
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Just don't buy one, they'll get the hint eventually.........

 

Nah, I like the smashing idea better.  It's much faster.  1biggrin.gif LOL lol.gif

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"Samsung honorable behavior", huh. lol.gif

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I can't adjust the black level of my Samsung to where I think it should be without crushing blacks, "black" ends up being a lighter gray than I think it should be. I wish I had spent the little more on a Panasonic, the blacks would be better and the controls would probably be better too. One saving grace is Samsung does include a zoom mode that turns off overscan, which is ideal for computer use.

If Apple makes a TV I think it's likely they will have the panel calibrated well at the factory like they do with their other displays.

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You should've went with a plasma. The picture on a LED look "fake" and overexposed, a plasma is the closest thing to the picture on a CRT.

The very sad thing: my Samsung *is* a plasma! I still can't get the blacks to where I think they're supposed to be without crushing some of the darker blacks.
Edited by JeffDM - 12/22/12 at 10:31am
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Considering Apple Notification Bar was around before Samsung made a smartphone i don't see this going anywhere...
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I wish Sammy would innovate instead of litigate.

Would this be considered prior art: I keep notes on my window shades and I pull it down to see them and then let it contract to hide them from my view.
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Considering Apple Notification Bar was around before Samsung made a smartphone i don't see this going anywhere...


Not true.  Bada had the notification bar from inception and it's introduction in the Wave S8500, which would be around Jan 2010.  iOS didn't get the notification bar until June 2011 and iOS 5

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You should've went with a plasma. The picture on a LED look "fake" and overexposed, a plasma is the closest thing to the picture on a CRT.

What a ridiculous statement. LED-backlit LED displays give the best picture you'll find on the market today. If the picture is overexposed, then adjust the contrast. Use a proper colour and gamma correction blu-ray to calibrate your display.

Yes, plasma is the closest thing to a CRT (bar a CRT) but who the hell wants that? The colour is terrible, as is the picture quality.
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What a ridiculous statement. LED-backlit LED displays give the best picture you'll find on the market today. If the picture is overexposed, then adjust the contrast. Use a proper colour and gamma correction blu-ray to calibrate your display.
Yes, plasma is the closest thing to a CRT (bar a CRT) but who the hell wants that? The colour is terrible, as is the picture quality.


Could you link to some expert opinions backing up your claim, because the ones I have seen still rate the high end Panasonic Plasmas like the VT50 as having the best picture quality available.

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I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

Basically yes. IF notifications as seen in iOS 6 are the same as what is baked into Android then Samsung is out of line because they are trying to sue over something they don't own

They would want us to believe that some major aspect of NC was their idea and then 'stolen' by Apple. Such as Googles version you tap on the bar but Samsung added, and patented, the swipe to reveal/hide bit. We'll see soon enough what the score is

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Then you're stuck with a Samsung TV.
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Not if you return it

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Basically yes. IF notifications as seen in iOS 6 are the same as what is baked into Android then Samsung is out of line because they are trying to sue over something they don't own
They would want us to believe that some major aspect of NC was their idea and then 'stolen' by Apple. Such as Googles version you tap on the bar but Samsung added, and patented, the swipe to reveal/hide bit. We'll see soon enough what the score is

The android notifications you drag the notification shade down from the status bar. In truth the notifications in android are superior to Apple's solution by a longshot. The samsung solution not so much. I hated the notifications on Touchwiz on my Galaxy S III but my nexus 4 its a pleasure to use.  

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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post
Not if you return it

 

"Reason for return:  Noticed it was made by Samsung "

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iNews24

How ironic. For a lawsuit "Samsung versus Apple" being reported by a news agency that had the very imaginative idea of sticking a small cap i in front of the word News.
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Not if you return it

I suppose not, but it would be resold as an open box item. The effort to buy and return a TV seems like a waste of time and effort.

I question the idea that Samsung loses money on TVs, the reason this part of the discussion is going on. There's no reason they would do so unless they're trying to outlast other makers in the hopes that TVs are profitable again in the distant future.
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What a ridiculous statement. LED-backlit LED displays give the best picture you'll find on the market today. If the picture is overexposed, then adjust the contrast. Use a proper colour and gamma correction blu-ray to calibrate your display.
Yes, plasma is the closest thing to a CRT (bar a CRT) but who the hell wants that? The colour is terrible, as is the picture quality.
Given the amount of reading I've done on the subject, I suspect you're dead wrong. Every review I have ever read indicates plasma is superior to LED. Plasma has better contrast, better blacks, and better color depth. The advantages of LCDs are lower power, lower heat, and much lower burn-in chance. All that said, if the alleged Apple TV is an LED, I won't get one.
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Very quiet news on China/Asia sales into the last 2 weeks of Dec, perhaps the 2mil sales was just a one-off?  Anyone from China have any updates?

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Very quiet news on China/Asia sales into the last 2 weeks of Dec, perhaps the 2mil sales was just a one-off?  Anyone from China have any updates?

What kind of sales news were you expecting?I would only expect sales from Apple to come after the first weekend, the quarter results, or during an event.

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Forgive me for bringing facts to this argument, but jailbreak dev, David Ashman, wrote a code for a notification app back in 2008. Did google or samscum have notifications prior to this? No, because there were no touch screen phones by these two until 2009 and notifications came to android in late 2010.

Lockinfo (http://www.lockinfo.net/) and intelliscreen were running on the iPhone before google or samescum stole the idea. Prior art will shoot samescum down in flames. Their only hope is that as they own most of the media outlets and most of the judiciary in Korea, they'll get a free pass. Corruption, it's what they do best. Their arrogance knows no bounds.
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Two things. Lockinfo and intelliscreen. Look them up. On the iPhone, 2008-2009. Dead and buried.
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