or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › General › General Discussion › Samsung sues Apple in Korea over iOS Notification Center
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Samsung sues Apple in Korea over iOS Notification Center - Page 2

post #41 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frood View Post

Google owns a patent on the notification center.  Samsung also holds a patent on how they implemented it on their phones.  Like most innovations these days, everybody adds a minor twist and tries to use that minor twist to block others from using the whole technology.  The current system encourages micropatented nifty but relatively underwhelming things.  Mobile patents seem to be among the worst since a huge number of the patents are things that have been done for years- but people are patenting that same functionality with the innovation being that it is now 'on a mobile device'

Google has not chosen to sue Apple using its patent.  Just because you have a patent doesn't mean you have to sue everyone.  They may choose to sue Apple at a later date (and may even be encouraged to do so if Samsung wins, or it may encourage Apple to settle out of court with Google)
Samsung has chosen to sue Apple using its patent.  This particular case is about Samsung vs Apple.


The courts and lawyers should just save a lot of time and money and use my verdict.

Verdict:
Notifications were a highly innovative and extremely useful addition to mobile devices.  No mobile device (not even the iPhone) could even really be considered modern without it.  Google came up with it, Samsung implemented it, and Apple saw its benefit.  Apple copied it fairly blatantly, with barely even a minor cosmetic difference.

Apple:  Guilty of infringing on Samsungs patent.
Samsungs patent (and Googles if they choose to 'expose' it to the courts):  Useful.  Innovative.  Obvious.  Fairly trivial.  Invalid.
Damages: 0

If the courts keep doing this consistently to both sides, they will learn that paying a lot of money for lawyers to argue with each other isn't panning out and patenting trivial things isn't going to get you a billion dollars nor gain an injunction to prevent any competition in the market. 

The 'bar' for what constitutes a patent needs to be set far closer to an invention than an innovation:
You come to the patent office with something more akin to 'electricity'  Yep.  That's a patent.  FRAND only.
You come to the patent office with:
Cut and paste has been on desktops for years via highlighting and dragging with a mouse.  My 'amazing' invention is you do the same thing on a touchscreen, but now you're using your finger!  Other companies can still compete if I choose not to license my patent, they'll just have to have their users carry around a mouse and connect it to their cell phones (*snicker*).   No patent for you. 

Except NC existed on the iPhone long before samescum or google stole the idea. Lockinfo by David Ashman, late 2008, for JB iPhones. Who stole who's idea? Look it up. http://www.lockinfo.net/ version 1.1 was available for download through Cydia in January 2009. Google can't sue as prior art will kill any suit dead in its tracks."Google came up with it". The word is STOLE. Google don't create anything, like samescum, they just steal. Show me NC on android prior to 2008, please, I beg you!!!!! You can't.

Your verdict. Shot down. In flames. Prior art, prior art. You lose. Go dance on someone else's grave.
Edited by Kr00 - 12/22/12 at 1:24pm
post #42 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr00 View Post


Except NC existed on the iPhone long before samescum or google stole the idea. Lockinfo by David Ashman, late 2008, for JB iPhones. Who stole who's idea? Look it up. http://www.lockinfo.net/ version 1.1 was available for download through Cydia in January 2009. Google can't sue as prior art will kill any suit dead in its tracks."Google came up with it". The word is STOLE. Google don't create anything, like samescum, they just steal. Show me NC on android prior to 2008, please, I beg you!!!!! You can't.
Your verdict. Shot down. In flames. Prior art, prior art. You lose. Go dance on someone else's grave.


I'd like to see that happen. If it shouldn't have been granted, it's an unnecessary impediment to other companies. Cydia developers have always been extremely creative, so it wouldn't surprise me. I recall much of what originated there, but I haven't specifically compared this. I just hate seeing trivial concepts tied to patents. Note the word concepts. That aside, your writing style is far too emotional.

post #43 of 114
Speaking of JB apps/utilities...

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #44 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post


Not true.  Bada had the notification bar from inception and it's introduction in the Wave S8500, which would be around Jan 2010.  iOS didn't get the notification bar until June 2011 and iOS 5

What the f(€&/ guys!?! I had notifications on my ms pocket pc:s on the end of the 90:s!!!

There is way long ago prior art on this one so please stop the crap talk NOW.
post #45 of 114
If it moves, sue it. If it doesn't move, kick it 'til it does, then sue it 1wink.gif.

All very sad - the latest Samsuit smacks a wee little bit o' the desparation...
Edited by AlexN - 12/22/12 at 3:09pm
post #46 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by frxntier View Post

What a ridiculous statement. LED-backlit LED displays give the best picture you'll find on the market today. If the picture is overexposed, then adjust the contrast. Use a proper colour and gamma correction blu-ray to calibrate your display.
Yes, plasma is the closest thing to a CRT (bar a CRT) but who the hell wants that? The colour is terrible, as is the picture quality.

Are you kidding? LCD/LED cannot reproduce the same amount of colors as a plasma. Colors look natural and not every show looks like Yo Gabba Gabba.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
post #47 of 114
Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
…not every show looks like Yo Gabba Gabba.

 

Though they certainly seem to be trending that way. Ludicrously lit, unnatural colors, etc.

post #48 of 114
Wonder how much the price of Apple & Samsung products would be reduced if these incessant law suits were eliminated? Contrary wise , how much of our tech dollar is spent defending our favorite tech supplier? Where are those oh-so-knowledgeable tech infotainers when they're needed?
post #49 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr00 View Post


Except NC existed on the iPhone long before samescum or google stole the idea. Lockinfo by David Ashman, late 2008, for JB iPhones. Who stole who's idea? Look it up. http://www.lockinfo.net/ version 1.1 was available for download through Cydia in January 2009. Google can't sue as prior art will kill any suit dead in its tracks."Google came up with it". The word is STOLE. Google don't create anything, like samescum, they just steal. Show me NC on android prior to 2008, please, I beg you!!!!! You can't.
Your verdict. Shot down. In flames. Prior art, prior art. You lose. Go dance on someone else's grave.

The notification bar has been part of the Android OS since version 1.0, and predating the Cydia app for the iPhone from David Ashman that you mentioned.

 

EDIT: Android notifications are shown here on the first shipping consumer smartphone that ever used that OS. Note the date of the article.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-2-software-and-wrap-up/


Edited by Gatorguy - 12/22/12 at 3:28pm
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #50 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

"Reason for return:  Noticed it was made by Samsung "

Yep. But be sure to open the box if you can.

A non tech's thoughts on Apple stuff 

(She's family so I'm a little biased)

Reply

A non tech's thoughts on Apple stuff 

(She's family so I'm a little biased)

Reply
post #51 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

The notification bar has been part of the Android OS since version 1.0, and predating the Cydia app for the iPhone from David Ashman that you mentioned.

EDIT: Android notifications are shown here on the first shipping consumer smartphone that ever used that OS. Note the date of the article.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-2-software-and-wrap-up/

Android 1.0 - 23.09.2008 — Notifications appear in the Status bar
Android 3.0 - 22.02.2011 — Added System Bar, featuring quick access to notifications, status, and soft navigation buttons, available at the bottom of the screen

iOS (JB) - 14.05.2008 — IntelliScreen
iOS (JB) - 30.09.2008 — StatusNotifier

And, of course, Newton.
Edited by SolipsismX - 12/22/12 at 5:04pm

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #52 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Android 1.0 - 23.09.2008 — Notifications appear in the Status bar
Android 3.0 - 22.02.2011 — Added System Bar, featuring quick access to notifications, status, and soft navigation buttons, available at the bottom of the screen
iOS (JB) - 14.05.2008 — IntelliScreen
iOS (JB) - 30.09.2008 — StatusNotifier
And, of course, Newton.

12/17/2007  Hmm... Is that a notification bar I see at the top of this pic? I'll see you and raise you one.1smile.gif

http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

 

I can go further back and add more detail if you'd like, for instance the API's. (FWIW there was Android support for touchscreens too) The Android status bar goes back at least as early as Fall/2007, months before anything similar from even 3rd party developers for iOS, and certainly nothing from Apple themselves.

 

That doesn't mean Apple "stole" their notifications bar from Android, but it proves beyond a doubt that Android didn't borrow the idea from any Cydia developer. Seems more likely to be the other way around if anything.

 

EDIT: For those that want to still insist that Google got the idea for the notifications/status bar from iOS jailbreakers, here's a video link demonstrating the feature (@2:19). Upload date: Nov 11th, 2007. And gosh gee whiz there's even a touchscreen model demoed beginning at the 3:00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&feature=player_embedded#!


Edited by Gatorguy - 12/22/12 at 7:42pm
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #53 of 114
Notifications has been a thing on IPhones for years, it was just sent above the screen in IOS 5, I do not see why this is worth trying.
post #54 of 114

BTW, a little side-note I've mentioned in the past. Before the Blackberry-clone Android phone that seems to be a favorite subject here, there was an even earlier leak of a supposed touchscreen-enabled smartphone running Android, the Google Switch or GPhone. That one goes all the way back to January of 2007. Search and ye will find.

 

The Blackberry-esque leak was nearly a year later, in Dec/07.

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #55 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

BTW, a little side-note I've mentioned in the past. Before the Blackberry-clone Android phone that seems to be a favorite subject here, there was an even earlier leak of a supposed touchscreen-enabled smartphone running Android, the Google Switch or GPhone. That one goes all the way back to January of 2007. Search and ye will find.

The Blackberry-esque leak was nearly a year later, in Dec/07.

This is not even close to being a real product. At least with the BB copy for Android it looked like a real product. As sites were saying with this blurry "leak" that came out 9 days after the iPhone was announced to the world, it looks photoshopped. The only arguments I have to support to that being real is that 1) I'd consider any PS user to design something less horrific, and 2) the use of a scroll bar and small touch points do make it seem like it was conceived pre-iPhone as the usage would have clearly required a stylus, which also means it's more likely to resistive touch, and there is certainly no evidence of it being multi-touch.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #56 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


This is not even close to being a real product. At least with the BB copy for Android it looked like a real product. As sites were saying with this blurry "leak" that came out 9 days after the iPhone was announced to the world, it looks photoshopped. The only arguments I have to support to that being real is that 1) I'd consider any PS user to design something less horrific, and 2) the use of a scroll bar and small touch points do make it seem like it was conceived pre-iPhone as the usage would have clearly required a stylus, which also means it's more likely to resistive touch, and there is certainly no evidence of it being multi-touch.

Did you watch the video I linked where Android features were demoed on a touchscreen model posted up in early November 2007, so obviously working even earlier than that? Skip to the 3:00 minute mark if you don't care about watching the entire thing. Look ma, no stylus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&feature=player_embedded#!

 

As for multi-touch it's been widely reported why Google held back on offering that particular touchscreen feature. Since you didn't mention the notification bar, I'm guessing you're giving me that one. 

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #57 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Did you watch the video I linked where Android features were demoed on a touchscreen model posted up in early November 2007, so obviously working even earlier than that. As for multi-touch it's been widely reported why Google held back on offering that particular touchscreen feature.

Since you didn't mention the notification bar, I'm guessing you're giving me that one. 

You mean the video with what appears to be a roller-ball on the device for scrolling and using buttons (the volume buttons?) on the side of the device to zoom the page in and out? Now that video does appear to show capacitance scrolling but it's notably jaggy and only demos single-touch. For being nearly a year after the iPhone was debuted they surely didn't seem to do much... or were so woefully behind (read: going in the wrong direction) that they had to start so much over from scratch just to get to that point.

You can tell from the part of the clip you pointed out (at 3m:45 and 3m50s) that the OS was still designed for a WinCE type device with a stylus (or scrollwheel or D-pad) and for the small display a device with a physical keyboard, respectively. He doesn't even place his finger on the display to play Quake and to switch to Street View there is a physical button that is pressed to bring up a contextual menu.

All of this is just reinforcing Android just playing follow-the-leader.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #58 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

12/17/2007  Hmm... Is that a notification bar I see at the top of this pic? I'll see you and raise you one.1smile.gif
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

I can go further back and add more detail if you'd like, for instance the API's. (FWIW there was Android support for touchscreens too) The Android status bar goes back at least as early as Fall/2007, months before anything similar from even 3rd party developers for iOS, and certainly nothing from Apple themselves.

That doesn't mean Apple "stole" their notifications bar from Android, but it proves beyond a doubt that Android didn't borrow the idea from any Cydia developer. Seems more likely to be the other way around if anything.

EDIT: For those that want to still insist that Google got the idea for the notifications/status bar from iOS jailbreakers, here's a video link demonstrating the feature (@2:19). Upload date: Nov 11th, 2007. And gosh gee whiz there's even a touchscreen model demoed beginning at the 3:00 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&feature=player_embedded#!

Too bad Apple's method doesn't use a "notification bar" which is where your whole argument falls apart, in much the same way any attempt by Google to use their specific patent to sue Apple would also call apart.

Apple introduced drop downs with the Lisa in the early eighties, if you want prior art more like Apple's implementation.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
post #59 of 114

Well at least we got past that whole notification bar disagreement, which was part of the actual thread subject.  

 

For the unrelated multi-touch discussion it's pretty obvious that Apple was ahead of everyone else. But now it should also be obvious that Google wasn't working on an OS for just a scroll-wheel Blackberry-like device. There were several different hardware configurations supported by Android API's and built as proof-of-concept projects by Open Handset Alliance members in 2007 (and perhaps earlier), and it included touchscreens.

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #60 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


Too bad Apple's method doesn't use a "notification bar" which is where your whole argument falls apart, in much the same way any attempt by Google to use their specific patent to sue Apple would also call apart.
Apple introduced drop downs with the Lisa in the early eighties, if you want prior art more like Apple's implementation.

That wasn't my argument at all. Go back just a bit to post 41 for the issues my posts were addressing. Solip thought he had found evidence to show I was perhaps incorrect about the status bar, and which I then further clarified. I think I proved my points without question, and they had nothing to do what you imagined them to be.


Edited by Gatorguy - 12/22/12 at 8:26pm
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #61 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

But now it should also be obvious that Google wasn't working on an OS for just a scroll-wheel Blackberry-like device. There were several different hardware configurations supported by Android API's and built as proof-of-concept projects by Open Handset Alliance members in 2007 (and perhaps earlier), and it included touchscreens.

I haven't seen any evidence to support that. Even the video from the end of 2007 you posted still has a scroll wheel and contextual menu items that could not be used without physical buttons (or stylus) on the device. Sure, I guess that's not technically BB-like, but it's certainly WinCE PDA-like, and certainly not iPhone-like.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #62 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


I haven't seen any evidence to support that. Even the video from the end of 2007 you posted still has a scroll wheel and contextual menu items that could not be used without physical buttons (or stylus) on the device. Sure, I guess that's not technically BB-like, but it's certainly WinCE PDA-like, and certainly not iPhone-like.

I agree its wasn't iPhone like (supporting my arguments from a day or so back that Android wasn't targeting Apple in the first place but rather MS), nor did I even hint it was. Wouldn't that be a good thing? It was plainly a touchscreen-enabled prototype tho, unless there was a third hand spinning the globe with the buttons. It also plainly avoided multi-touch just as Steve Jobs demanded of them. That was a good thing too at the time, was it not?


Edited by Gatorguy - 12/22/12 at 8:35pm
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #63 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

12/17/2007  Hmm... Is that a notification bar I see at the top of this pic? I'll see you and raise you one.1smile.gif
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild?tag=gadgetsandroidhardwareinthewild

I can go further back and add more detail if you'd like, for instance the API's. (FWIW there was Android support for touchscreens too) The Android status bar goes back at least as early as Fall/2007, months before anything similar from even 3rd party developers for iOS, and certainly nothing from Apple themselves.

That doesn't mean Apple "stole" their notifications bar from Android, but it proves beyond a doubt that Android didn't borrow the idea from any Cydia developer. Seems more likely to be the other way around if anything.

EDIT: For those that want to still insist that Google got the idea for the notifications/status bar from iOS jailbreakers, here's a video link demonstrating the feature (@2:19). Upload date: Nov 11th, 2007. And gosh gee whiz there's even a touchscreen model demoed beginning at the 3:00 minute mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&feature=player_embedded#!

Too bad Apple's method doesn't use a "notification bar" which is where your whole argument falls apart, in much the same way any attempt by Google to use their specific patent to sue Apple would also call apart.

Apple introduced drop downs with the Lisa in the early eighties, if you want prior art more like Apple's implementation.
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
post #64 of 114

Hill, I think you're accidently repeating the same post 58 over and over.

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #65 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

I agree its wasn't iPhone like, nor did I even hint it was. Wouldn't that be a good thing? It was plainly a touchscreen-enabled prototype tho, unless there was a third hand spinning the globe with the buttons. It also plainly avoided multi-touch just as Steve Jobs demanded of them. That was a good thing too at the time, was it not?

Sure, touch screens existed long before the iPhone though. Apple's Newton used a touch screen. That demo shows that they used what I can only assume is a capacitance display, but that was nearly a year after Apple demoed the iPhone. By that point anything less than that was an automatic fail. What I'm not seeing is that blurry image from 9 days after the iPhone was demoed appearing ever again and showing any capacitive, multi-touch, or the use of the finger as the primary input on-screen.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #66 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Hill, I think you're accidently repeating the same post 58 over and over.

It seems to be an issue with the forum.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #67 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Sure, touch screens existed long before the iPhone though. Apple's Newton used a touch screen. That demo shows that they used what I can only assume is a capacitance display, but that was nearly a year after Apple demoed the iPhone. By that point anything less than that was an automatic fail. What I'm not seeing is that blurry image from 9 days after the iPhone was demoed appearing ever again and showing any capacitive, multi-touch, or the use of the finger as the primary input on-screen.

I believe the touchscreen fail, if there was one, was on the part of the Handset Alliance members rather than Google, as they were tasked with the hardware builds while Google was primary lead on the OS to run them. The software-level support was there, but the concept handsets developed by the manufacturers as of mid to late 2007 weren't yet taking full advantage. Apple was plainly leading the pack, but Android's slack wasn't primarily due to lack of support by the Android OS itself IMHO. It pretty obviously took the hardware partners some time to get their acts together.

 

This is another video from that same Nov/2007 time-period which probably better explains Google's view of what they envisioned with Android. They also discuss notifications in more detail beginning at about the 2:55 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MPukbH6D-lY

 

Rather than push the thread further off-topic I'll not bother posting anymore on touch. My apologies for the distraction.

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #68 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Rather than push the thread further off-topic I'll not bother posting anymore on touch. My apologies for the distraction.

It's a weekend topic and it's more entertaining than the original topic so I say post away.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #69 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

Rather than push the thread further off-topic I'll not bother posting anymore on touch. My apologies for the distraction.

It's a weekend topic and it's more entertaining than the original topic so I say post away.

What SolipsismX said 1smile.gif
post #70 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

I believe the touchscreen fail, if there was one, was on the part of the Handset Alliance members rather than Google, as they were tasked with the hardware builds while Google was primary lead on the OS to run them. The software-level support was there, but the concept handsets developed by the manufacturers as of mid to late 2007 weren't yet taking full advantage. Apple was plainly leading the pack, but Android's slack wasn't primarily due to lack of support by the Android OS itself IMHO. It pretty obviously took the hardware partners some time to get their acts together.

 

This is another video from that same Nov/2007 time-period which probably better explains Google's view of what they envisioned with Android. They also discuss notifications in more detail beginning at about the 2:55 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MPukbH6D-lY

 

Rather than push the thread further off-topic I'll not bother posting anymore on touch. My apologies for the distraction.

Blame everyone else but Google. LOL. How convenient. This revisionist must be desperate. I love to see when the iPhone touch screen was that bad. It might be 1999. LOL.

post #71 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Speaking of JB apps/utilities...

Techies love flashy stuffs and I think this caters to those. First, the main purpose of Multitasking Tray is for you to switch app quickly, I don't see how this is better than the traditional one. Second, iPhone arranges memory usage automatically. It's rare that you need to go quitting apps in Multitasking Tray. I only quit app when it's hanged or crashed which was extremely rare. My wife uses her iPhone 4 for a couple of years now and she didn't even know Multitasking Tray exists. Quitting app regularly is unnecessary and when you need to, the old press until it jingle is better because you know it by heart (from arranging apps on you home screen) by now. Deleting apps by swiping it down will further confuses users.

I like the Media Tray though.

post #72 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Mac Man View Post

I don't quite get this - isn't Android owned by Google? Therefore if the notification centre first appeared in Android (I think most of us would concede it did) then isn't Google's fight not Samsung?

 

Well, where it first appeared doesn't really make a difference. The question is who owns the patent, and this is where it gets a bit sticky. Apple filed a patent for the notification centre sometime in 2007/2008, going by the date of this article:

 

http://appleinsider.com/articles/08/09/18/potential_iphone_usability_and_interface_improvements.html

 

And I think Google's patent surfaced in 2009, which is not to say we're talking about exactly the same thing.

post #73 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

Speaking of JB apps/utilities...

I don't like it. The live preview icons can be confusing, especially for gaming apps. They tend to go full screen and the app isn't recognizable anymore. Square icons are: we see them on the App Store, on the iOS home screen, marketing material. Consistency, that's what I like. I also agree with Matrix07 that swiping an icon down instead of press n hold, X is non-intuitive.

Still, thanks for the watch. Weekend post indeed.
Send from my iPhone. Excuse brevity and auto-corrupt.
Reply
Send from my iPhone. Excuse brevity and auto-corrupt.
Reply
post #74 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


If Apple makes a TV I think it's likely they will have the panel calibrated well at the factory like they do with their other displays.


Also, they'll prevent anyone but an Apple(R) Genius(R) at an Apple (R) Store (R) from changing the calibration level for your Apple (R) iTeevee(R) or whatever.

 

 

But don't worry, if you purchased the Apple (R) AppleCare (R) for Apple (R) iTeeVee (R) * then the service will be free and only will require you leaving your Apple(R) iTeeVee(R) at the Apple (R) Store (R) for a mere three weeks.

 

 

 

* Terms and conditions apply. Apple (R)  AppleCare (R) cannot exceed a year after buying date.

 

 

Or something.

Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

 

http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/7-high-school-girls-are-kickstarting-their-awa...

Reply

Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

 

http://m.ign.com/articles/2014/07/16/7-high-school-girls-are-kickstarting-their-awa...

Reply
post #75 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Techies love flashy stuffs and I think this caters to those. First, the main purpose of Multitasking Tray is for you to switch app quickly, I don't see how this is better than the traditional one. Second, iPhone arranges memory usage automatically. It's rare that you need to go quitting apps in Multitasking Tray. I only quit app when it's hanged or crashed which was extremely rare. My wife uses her iPhone 4 for a couple of years now and she didn't even know Multitasking Tray exists. Quitting app regularly is unnecessary and when you need to, the old press until it jingle is better because you know it by heart (from arranging apps on you home screen) by now. Deleting apps by swiping it down will further confuses users.
I like the Media Tray though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

I don't like it. The live preview icons can be confusing, especially for gaming apps. They tend to go full screen and the app isn't recognizable anymore. Square icons are: we see them on the App Store, on the iOS home screen, marketing material. Consistency, that's what I like. I also agree with Matrix07 that swiping an icon down instead of press n hold, X is non-intuitive.
Still, thanks for the watch. Weekend post indeed.

My feelings are the same. If you have multiple Safari pages open which one does it pull? If I happen to have that same page open in another browser I see pretty much the same page but with a different name. That's not good. I want to find these apps as quickly as possible which is why an icon is the fastest way for our brains to zero in on what we expect to see.

And what about apps that are made for landscape view only, like some games? Do those show up sideways in the viewer or does it turn (and crop) the screenshot?

That said, it looks really well done and I would love to see Apple allow for some fast access to certain settings but this solution doesn't look great for the average user.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #76 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr00 View Post


Except NC existed on the iPhone long before samescum or google stole the idea. Lockinfo by David Ashman, late 2008, for JB iPhones. Who stole who's idea? Look it up. http://www.lockinfo.net/ version 1.1 was available for download through Cydia in January 2009. Google can't sue as prior art will kill any suit dead in its tracks."Google came up with it". The word is STOLE. Google don't create anything, like samescum, they just steal. Show me NC on android prior to 2008, please, I beg you!!!!! You can't.
Your verdict. Shot down. In flames. Prior art, prior art. You lose. Go dance on someone else's grave.

 

Actually you pretty much absolutely supported my verdict.  There are two issues related to these types of patent suits.  Infringement and validity.  Infringement is almost always the easy one.  Does Samsung hold a patent related to the notification center?  Yes.  Did Apple use something essentially the same in their devices?  If the answer to that is yes, then Apple infringed (regardless of whether or not the patent is valid).  It is even entirely possible that Apple could have a substantially similar patent in its arsenal and they could choose to use that to countersue Samsung.  If that is the case, since they both used a system that violates the others' held patents- they would both be guilty of infringement.  If you dispute that Samsung holds the patent, you're irrational- because Samsung holds the patent.  That is a fact.  If you could claim that Apples version of notification is not in violation of Samsungs patent you could at least make an argument if you have one.  But even a casual look at notification center on Android and Apples version shows they are pretty much the same thing.  Saying Apple didn't infringe the patent would be more emotional than logical.  It would be a lot like the 'bounceback' and 'pinch to zoom' patents-  Question 1: Did Apple hold a patent on 'bounceback' and 'pinch to zoom'  Answer(s):  Yes.   Question 2: Did Samsung use 'bounceback' and 'pinch to zoom' on their devices?  Answer:  Yes.  Therefore Samsung infringed on Apples patents.  It is not really arguable.  I think the android fans that argue otherwise are just as guilty of arguing emotionally instead of logically.

 

If infringement is found, it is not necessarily a bad thing.  The patent needs to be valid.  In my case I thought the patent should not be valid because it is too obvious a thing to patent.  That would be open to argument and lawyers are pretty good at that and they will- which is why I said they could save some time and just use *my* opinion (and it is just that- my opinion).  In your case, you are claiming there is prior art.  That's an even stronger argument because it would be fact based.  Even with prior art there will still be an argument of whether the 'prior art' is similar enough and as long as they are getting paid lawyers will make the argument.

 

Either way its the same verdict.

Did Apple infringe:  Yes.

Does it matter:  No, the patent is invalid.


Edited by Frood - 12/23/12 at 9:58am
post #77 of 114

When is Apple (or even Konfabulator) going to sue Google over their copying of Widgets? And when are all those dock companies from the early 90's running on OS/2 going to claim prior art for notifications?

 

I laugh at people whining over whether Android or iOS was first when the truth is neither of them came up with any of it.

post #78 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frood View Post

But even a casual look at notification center on Android and Apples version shows they are pretty much the same thing.  

 

Either way its the same verdict.

 

Did Apple infringe:  Yes.

Does it matter:  No, the patent is invalid.

 

Read Google's patent.

 

Does Apple infringe NO (Apple DOES NOT USE ICONS IN A STATUS BAR).

 

Does it matter dunno, it depends on SAMSUNG's patent.

Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
Reply
post #79 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

The notification bar has been part of the Android OS since version 1.0, and predating the Cydia app for the iPhone from David Ashman that you mentioned.

EDIT: Android notifications are shown here on the first shipping consumer smartphone that ever used that OS. Note the date of the article.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-2-software-and-wrap-up/

You really need to check your facts. My use of the app Cydia, was incorrect, it was the installer app, released in 2007. David Ashman had a hack in September of 2008, that required the user install using a .deb file via SSH (I should know, I did it myself), then a download was available via the installer app, January 2009. How on earth could android have this as it had no touch screen phones available until late 2009? Nice try, but you fail. Best stick to facts and not the dreams you seem to live off. Google stole the idea, as did samescum. You can't provide any evidence to the contrary.
post #80 of 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kr00 View Post

Forgive me for bringing facts to this argument, but jailbreak dev, David Ashman, wrote a code for a notification app back in 2008. Did google or samscum have notifications prior to this? No, because there were no touch screen phones by these two until 2009 and notifications came to android in late 2010.
Lockinfo (http://www.lockinfo.net/) and intelliscreen were running on the iPhone before google or samescum stole the idea. Prior art will shoot samescum down in flames. Their only hope is that as they own most of the media outlets and most of the judiciary in Korea, they'll get a free pass. Corruption, it's what they do best. Their arrogance knows no bounds.
http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/

 

A good read on Samsung.  Thanks.

 

http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Discussion
AppleInsider › Forums › General › General Discussion › Samsung sues Apple in Korea over iOS Notification Center