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No, that's what I'm saying. It was overpriced compared to the regular iPod, which was usually within the 'no-brainer' field when it comes to upgrades, but it sold because it was cheaper. 

It was 25% less with 60% less storage and less capabilities yet you think that is why is sold more units? If that's the case then why aren't older gen iPads and iPhones selling more than the newer ones that cost $100 more? The only reasonable answer for the iPod mini's success seems to be that it was a much more ideal product size for users despite the severely increased cost per GB.

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So you have a device with a Lightning connector? So then why not just buy the direct adapter for it? Or why not use an app that is designed to transfer via WiFi or BT from your camera? It sounds like you're trying to make up problems to things that have been worked out now for a long time.
You're clueless on this. So you take 1,000+ pictures at a wedding, then transfer them via wifi or BT? Please- when it comes to technical things, you have a lot of knowledge. Please don't pretend that when I say "mass pictures" and "professional" that I mean the 20 pics you took on a DSLR from your kids ballet recital. Oh ya- and no DSLRs have wifi- that'd be another seperate adapter that just a handful of lower level ones support.

And there is no direct connector for lightning. That's a problem all on itself- why apple didnt have its lightning adapters ready at launch... Which we still don't have.

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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

You're clueless on this. So you take 1,000+ pictures at a wedding, then transfer them via wifi or BT? Please- when it comes to technical things, you have a lot of knowledge. Please don't pretend that when I say "mass pictures" and "professional" that I mean the 20 pics you took on a DSLR from your kids ballet recital. Oh ya- and no DSLRs have wifi- that'd be another seperate adapter that just a handful of lower level ones support.
And there is no direct connector for lightning. That's a problem all on itself- why apple didnt have its lightning adapters ready at launch... Which we still don't have.

1) You have been informed of and shown choices of physical and wireless options for transferring images from a camera to an iPad but instead of acknowledging that you are instead slinging insults?

2) So now it's not about having the capability but having something faster than wireless and yet their Lightning to SD Card Reader and Lightning to USB Adapter options aren't good enough for you? Seriously?

3) Yes, you can DSLRs with WiFi as well as memory cards that contain WiFi.

4) If you are a "professional" photographer you would already know what options are available and wouldn't be complaining about it on this forum.

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post #45 of 189
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

I really don't see the point unless Rogue 6 is ready to go.

Plus include an IGZO display.

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Seems like the next "market" Apple is disrupting/reinventing is manufacture itself, taking it to the next level, the design/production cycle. Which it makes sense would be something TC would do.

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Here I see too many people without a clue. It should surprise nobody that Apple is working on the next models of the iPad and iPad Mini. I'm willing to bet that they have a team working right now on the models that come after these models too. It is pretty silly to think that Apple wouldn't be working on new models and probably was doing so before iPad Mini was released.

As for a march update it isn't unreasonable to believe this would happen. In the case of iPad Mini it is pretty obvious that they want a retina in here, coupled with the rumor that Apple shored up Sharp to make their new screens a reality I can see retina Mini happening as quick as possible. The iPad itself is in desperate need of a flash upgrade so an upgrade there make sense if nothing else happens.

What would be really interesting would be a further SoC upgrades in either machine. Personally I don't think Apple will be able to turn out a new SoC design to replace A6 that quickly. The most rational move for them would be to move to 64 bit processing and a higher performance GPU in one shot. That would be late 2013.
post #48 of 189
What are you doing with your iPhone 4 that is slowing it down. Mind works fine and I intend to milk it for as long as possible. For me it is far better to keep my iPad reasonably up to date. In fact iPad has grown on me to the point that I could replace it with a dumb phone. Well except for the integration we get with iOS device I could.

As for Apple get serious man, who goes farther with keeping old devices running and up to date. You certainly don't get support for old devices from the android market.

As for your iPhone delete all of the apps that have been frozen. Then reboot.
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I don't think 6-month iterations is a good thing. People's devices will become obselete too quickly. I am already finding it difficult with my iPhone 4 and a 3 year contract up here in Canada. My phone is slowing down and Apple will stop providing updates in the next 2 years or so for my device. If they have faster iterations, they will either carry more devices along through the updates or people will get left behind if they don't upgrade.
And, these are high quality devices. You don't spend 400-900$ to have it be obselete in 2 years
post #49 of 189
It is called a correction which happens to grossly overpriced stocks. When speculators start to take interest in a stock volatility will result. As for doing something it is called selling more product than they ever have.
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They need to do something quick. Stock prices are plummeting.
post #50 of 189
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Originally Posted by nonimus View Post

Plus include an IGZO display.

I would suspect that there is a very strong possibility that this will happen. It is pretty obvious that Apple wants this to happen.
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Originally Posted by h3nrch View Post

I'm all for fast iterations and accelerated product cycles but I wish someone would spend some time fixing all of the bugs in iOS.
iOS isn't that bad. Mac OS X however is in crisis. Apple simply just stopped optimising Mac OS X. :-(
But yeah, they should be optimising iOS too.. But I think it's time to put Mac OS X first for a while.
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Seems like the next "market" Apple is disrupting/reinventing is manufacture itself, taking it to the next level, the design/production cycle. Which it makes sense would be something TC would do.

I like this idea and formulation.
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Given that Apple's always played the tune of smaller, lighter, thinner — I don't see why they'd continue iterating on the large iPad. It was an introductory size used to clearly define a new segment (and probably based, to some degree, on technical limitations of the time), but it is losing relevance.

 

The iPad mini is a perfect size and weight, very portable without feeling small or cramped. Throw in a Retina display and A6x chip and this will be a true beauty to behold. My guess is the next year will hold:

 

  1. Intro of iPad Mini 2 with Retina display and A6x (high-end)
  2. Intro of iPad Mini 2 with non-retina display and A6x (mid-end)
  3. Continued sales of current iPad Mini (low-end)
  1. Phasing out of original iPad form factor. Gen. 4 could be the last or second-to-last of the big iPads -- or -- a groundbreaking technology or re-focus of the large iPad that clearly defines WHY it needs to exist. Consumer question to answer: what makes the extra weight and size worth it?

 

Of course, all will depend on exactly how sales played out this holiday quarter, the level of cannibalization from the Mini and general consumer interest in one form factor vs. the other.

 

The error I think Apple made here was thinking that a Retina display was enough to differentiate a product for an upgrade cycle. Average consumers are unaware of the concept of resolution and do not have the critical eye necessary to tell the difference unless it is pointed out to them. Apple, being a company of design snobs obsessed with perfection (I mean that in a loving way) is easily wowed internally by these kinds of technological gems and, in their awed blindness, didn't consider that it might mean very little to Bob Q. Consumer. Indeed, Mr. Consumer seemed to pretty heavily opt for the cheaper iPad 2. 

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Just so I have it right- I get a 30 pin connector to lightning conversion connector and then that connector?
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

I wonder how long until iPad photo editing replaces a MacBook (professionally as well as the ability to mass edit- weddings, etc). Of course, you'd have to find a way to get the photos to the iPad from your camera...

5 years? 7 years? No time soon at least.

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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

You're clueless on this. So you take 1,000+ pictures at a wedding, then transfer them via wifi or BT? Please- when it comes to technical things, you have a lot of knowledge. Please don't pretend that when I say "mass pictures" and "professional" that I mean the 20 pics you took on a DSLR from your kids ballet recital. Oh ya- and no DSLRs have wifi- that'd be another seperate adapter that just a handful of lower level ones support.

And there is no direct connector for lightning. That's a problem all on itself- why apple didnt have its lightning adapters ready at launch... Which we still don't have.

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Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post

Wow! Apple fans are going to explode.

Trolls and critics will explode, too. Each side stroking what they've got. It'll be an all-around good orgy.

post #56 of 189
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Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post


Not unless they get the weight down to match the weight of the mini ...
Two completely different animals. Can't just lop off the bezel on the iPad because there's thumb recognition technology now ...

 

Why not?

 

J.

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Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post

Why not?

J.

The bezel on the 9.7" is there for a reason: to hold it with one hand and type with the other. They removed the bezel on the mini so you can hold it in the palm of your hand instead of holing the bezel on the side, unlike competitors tablets.
post #58 of 189
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

It is called a correction which happens to grossly overpriced stocks. When speculators start to take interest in a stock volatility will result. As for doing something it is called selling more product than they ever have.
AAPL wasn't an overpriced stock. 1rolleyes.gif
post #59 of 189
The iPad "4" is perfect - for reading AI forums 1smile.gif.
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They can release as many new models as they like, as long as they don't abandon older models any sooner...
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They can release as many new models as they like, as long as they don't abandon older models any sooner...

Looking at the recent introduction of the iMac, I say they can. And do.
post #62 of 189
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

Well, yeah. And I see twice a year for tablets, too. But not yet. ARM isn't moving fast enough.

 

ARM would be very unwise to move any faster than it currently does. Releasing a new architecture of processors every six months would be a nightmare for its customers. It takes time and effort to support each new generation, especially for SoC designs.

 

Even Intel only ever releases a maximum of one new architecture each year. The current Sandy/Ivy Bridge architecture has been around two years.

post #63 of 189
I'm not sure the 6 month cycle is great. Apple has been able to command a premium in part because the products had an enduring "I've got the latest" cache. A 6 month cycle actually encourages people to wait for the next upgrade (and then maybe the next), and even then it's not clear as many people will be prepared to pay the premium for something that'll soon be "the old model".

That said, this applies more to a new March mini, since the iPad 4 wasn't really a new iPad (just a speed bump). I skipped the mini because what I really want is a proper iPad (i.e. retina and power) with mini-like design (slimmed bevels, and noticeably lighter).
post #64 of 189
Stop making it thinner. Put in an improved battery and more GPGPU power.
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A bit OT but it's 11pm Christmas Eve in Australia now, I wonder how many (many, many) people will be getting iPads in the morning?

 

Place your bets... will the App Store go down tomorrow?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

1) You have been informed of and shown choices of physical and wireless options for transferring images from a camera to an iPad but instead of acknowledging that you are instead slinging insults?
I was mistaken on the lightning to SD reader- didnt know it existed. What the link was to was the 30-pin adapter version. And Wifi is absolutely no way to transfer a large amount of photos. At all.

2) So now it's not about having the capability but having something faster than wireless and yet their Lightning to SD Card Reader and Lightning to USB Adapter options aren't good enough for you? Seriously?
see #1

3) Yes, you can DSLRs with WiFi as well as memory cards that contain WiFi.
So now I have to buy the Canon 6D. That's it. Outside of that, you have to buy an adapter. Yes, there is the Eye Fi- but only in standard SD- no compact Flash. So you'd have to get that adapter too- which is buggy at best. Regardless, again, wifi isn't the option.

4) If you are a "professional" photographer you would already know what options are available and wouldn't be complaining about it on this forum.
first- I'm not. My wife is. 2nd- how would I know? We're talking about transferring to a freakin iPad- something no professional would do. So again- how would you know all options to transfer pictures to an iPad to edit?

I was wrong about the SD reader. Again- TS sent a link with the 30-pin. I didn't know there was a lightning version. And wifi is not the answer- at all. But there is an answer- the adapter. Although if you use compact flash- you're screwed unless you go with buggy third parties or transfer via USB (which is slooow). But regardless- I was wrong.
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post #67 of 189
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iOS isn't that bad. Mac OS X however is in crisis. Apple simply just stopped optimising Mac OS X. :-(
But yeah, they should be optimising iOS too.. But I think it's time to put Mac OS X first for a while.
What are some examples of how OSX isn't optimized?
I, personally, think Mountain Lion is absolutely fantastic. I though Lion was also- maybe a little slower, but feature rich with thinks like iCloud. It's still heads and shoulders better than any other PC OS. But I love to hear ideas.

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post #68 of 189
I think what they should do is have the iPad released every year but six months before(or after) the iPhone. Then release half of ios with it. Example

iPad release in march with ios 6.5 for iPad/iPhone
iPhone release in August with ios 7
Repeat

That way device users don't have to wait for an OS refresh every year to make their current product feel "new"
post #69 of 189
Oh. And while I'm on a wsh list, add themes to ios!
post #70 of 189
Or... the next iPad will debut in the fall on '13
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
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post #71 of 189
Refresh is good but if the only innovation is making things thinner and lighter, I am not so sure if it's worth it.
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Or... the next iPad will debut in the fall on '13

You know that's not how it works. It's spring, then when that doesn't happen, it's summer. Then when that doesn't happen, it's fall. And then rumor sites like Apple Insider can quote them as having a "hit and miss record".

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post #73 of 189
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The iPad "4" is perfect - for reading AI forums 1smile.gif.

Depends on your definition of perfect. In my opinion iPad is a collection of compromises. I do like my iPad mini and rarely use my iPad 3 but it is far from perfect. People who try to force the iPad into activities that it was never designed for like the "professional" wedding photographer guy, just make me laugh. iPad might be ok as a presentation device but I find it difficult to imagine importing huge RAW files for editing unless you are some sort of masochist. IPad is convenient only because it is lightweight and portable not because it excels at computing tasks.

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post #74 of 189
I don't see it, the ipad 4th gen was made because ipad 3 was not balance. The GPU was not powerful enough for the retina display. IMHO apple will be back on a year release squedule. Right before Christmas...
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Keeping up with iPads is no longer possible. I went from v1 to v3. Maybe v5 if I can get rid of v3. iPhones are all bought with v1 to v2, v1 to wife; v2 to v3, v2 to wife, v1 to grandson, etc, etc, etc. Laptops until Applecare runs out; desktops until next MacPro magically appears.

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Originally Posted by RichL View Post
ARM would be very unwise to move any faster than it currently does. Releasing a new architecture of processors every six months would be a nightmare for its customers. It takes time and effort to support each new generation, especially for SoC designs.

 

Okay, which is why going to a 6-month update cycle is really stupid. They'll be releasing two devices with the same architecture, which doesn't have a whole lot of point.


Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post
Stop making it thinner. Put in an improved battery and more GPGPU power.

 

See, you and I? We're a dying breed. People demand it get thinner because their hands can't manage the thickness now. People demand it get lighter because they're too weak to hold anything heavier than an iPad mini. 

 

It's unfathomable. They'd rather have a single sheet of notepad paper than an entire college-ruled binder. And that metaphor extends beyond size to capability.


Originally Posted by ShAdOwXPR View Post
…the iPad 4th gen was made because ipad 3 was not balance. The GPU was not powerful enough for the retina display. 

 

Wrong.

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I believe this rumor. Apple is trying to be super aggressive with tablets. It isn't going to go a year without an update. 

I agree. One of Steve Job's many axioms was. "To be successful in Tech you have to be ten years ahead of the competition."

 

At the time he said this, he thought Apple was about five years ahead.

 

I think this is one of the reasons Apple is so aggressive with the model updates. It certainly is widening the gap between the iPad and the other tablet makers. The Surface looks a mess...and their recent Surface commercial with all the "clicking" of the moving parts of the Surface is just plain nauseating.

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I wonder how long until iPad photo editing replaces a MacBook (professionally as well as the ability to mass edit- weddings, etc). Of course, you'd have to find a way to get the photos to the iPad from your camera ...

 

I don't understand this comment.  In the first place, the "way to get photos from your camera to the iPad" was invented with iPad 1.0, it's called a card reader and an SD card (with or without wi-fi).  Secondly, you can already edit photos on an iPad with all the same features and functions as something like iPhoto or Aperture.  iPhoto on the iPad has the exact same corrective capabilities as it's OS-X cousins.  

 

As to which method is better, and which is faster, you'd have to ask a wedding photographer who's already switched, but in terms of being possible, it already is and has been for a while.  

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They never have before. Now they're "not going to go six months", which I don't think is the right thing to do, at least yet.

 

they just did, didn't they?  Was the 4th generation iPad released to get the iPad on a fall release schedule, or was it just a minor speed bump style update needed to update the connector.  I could certainly see Apple doing two releases/year for both the iPad, one major update, one speed bump update.  There are a lot of competitors, they want the iPad to stay out in front.

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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Stop making it thinner. Put in an improved battery and more GPGPU power.

 

IGZO displays may consume only around one third the power of current displays

 

Sample -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=fctZx8_Naa8

 

PowerVR's Series6 'Rogue' GPUs claim to be about 20 times more powerful than current GPUs --

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/01/10/ces_gpu_candidates_for_apples_next_ipad_iphone_are_20_times_more_powerful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=7B6nPZ7uMNo

 

This promises to be 60 times more powerful -- 

http://withimagination.imgtec.com/index.php/powervr/powervr-g6630-go-fast-or-go-home

 

As with all Apple products, perhaps only these individuals knows how long to hold off until buying the best Apple product --  

http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/


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