Originally Posted by anonymouse
There's absolutely no indication that Android will be eclipsing anything in tablets. It's even way behind the Kindle Fire, which is way behind the iPad. And the dynamic in the tablet market is completely different than the smartphone market, where we have carriers pushing hardware that they make more money on and can more completely control and observe the user experience, so you can't even make a valid argument by analogy.
Androids ascendance in the smartphone market is, as well, quite soft. There's no buy in to any ecosystem, most people don't actively choose Android it's sold to them, and for large numbers of them their next smartphone is an iPhone. The only area where Android has any solid advantage is in cheap "smart" feature phones, which don't benefit Google at all because these people aren't really using Google services (or, the Internet at all) and they aren't worth advertising to if they were.
When I say Android tablets I am including Kindle Fire because the stats show including Kindle etc. we're looking at 50-50 share by end of 2013.
Fair enough if the tablet market indeed is different than smartphones so it will be interesting to see what happens in 2013. I remain of the opinion in any case, that we're at the start of a smartphone-like competitive environment. Kindle on one side, Nexus 7, 10, etc. on the other, and iPad in the third corner. Android tablets still need everybody to go to at least Android 4.2 for things to be worthwhile (that's why Asus and Samsung haven't done well, their offerings on Ice Cream Sandwich are still very laggy). Additionally, more developers need to make good tablet apps and transition from just smartphone apps. So I guess I'm predicting that there's an opportunity there that people are going to want to take advantage of, and as such Kindle and Android will form a good 50% of tablets by the end of 2013 vs iPad.
According to Wikipedia, "As of October 2012, about 7 million units have been sold according to estimates by Forrester Research, making the Kindle Fire the second-best-selling tablet after the iPad."
Additionally, Nexus 7 alone is said to be doing 1 million units per month. Not fantastic compared to iPad, but here we have a smartphone-esque situation where basically iPad will go up against every tom, dick and harry.
Not saying this is a "war" or Apple is "doomed", just laying out the situation as I see it.
As for the smartphone market, I have to say you're way off base. It may have started as cheap smart feature phones but with Samsung S2, S3, HTC One X, Droid, Nexus 4, we're seeing Android go toe-to-toe with iPhone. For many people, their next smartphone is iPhone or Android. For the older generation, probably iPhone. The younger generation, probably Android. Globally, yes the Android numbers are inflated somewhat because of cheaper Android phones. But in Western countries and developing countries increasingly, the "flagship" Android phones are coming into force. As for ecosystem, let me just say that after a few months tinkering with Android and now finally using a HTC One X as my primary phone, I wouldn't go back to the Apple ecosystem, nor need to at this stage. The buy-in to Android with the higher-end Android phones is quite big. Because now I wouldn't go back to iPhone because I'd lose the screen size and screen quality, flexibility, customisation, and high level of sophistication. Yes, there's some bugs and lag to deal with but with Android 4.1 and particularly 4.2, Google and manufacturers have made some very significant strides.
Of course, this is all a very recent turnaround for Android only with Android 4.0 and particularly 4.1 and soon 4.2. It is very, very recent but it is happening. Google and manufacturers have looked closely at lag, battery life, overall experience, ability to get updates, etc. and know this is what will make or break them. Not so much Google, but you get my drift.
Originally Posted by matrix07
Why does it even matter when a majority of users (who just want cheap gadgets) are using the OS they really don't care about. Is that something to boast?
This is a misconception. Top-notch Android phones are not cheap gadgets any more. Mid-range Android phones can be just cheap, but some can be excellent value, eg. HTC One X (One X Plus is more expensive, not that the One X itself is cheap by any stretch of the imagination).
As for "OS they don't care about"? It's the same now for both iOS and Android. Some care a lot, some don't care as long as it is an iPhone (or Android).
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Cuz ain't shit goin on in Android world yo
I hang out on AppleInsider for old times' sake and to keep abreast of various developments in the tech world (I don't read Giz, Engadget, TechCrunch, etc) ... But, guess what, I do spend more and more time on Android Central Forums.
You wouldn't ~BELIEVE~ the shit goin' on in Android world now. Android is totally blowing up right now (let me cut you off before you reply with a snarky rejoinder to "blowing up").
But for people living in the ~Real World~ ... 2013 will see some very interesting Android developments. iPhone and iPad won't go anywhere, they'll still be world class. But the lustre may come off a little as it is now. That's all I'm saying.
Just six months ago I was Android-bashing heavily on these here forums. Then the MBP 15" Retina came out. I tried it, returned it. The iPad 3 came out before that, I got it, and it's nice, but I was taken aback by it getting bigger and heavier than the iPad 2. Recently I got a MacBook Air 13", very very nice, but one niggle is the colour, deep reds do not exist. iPhone 5... got it, nice, but just doesn't have that je ne se quois (spelling?). Recently took some time to tinker with the Nexus 7 and Xperia S, suddenly with Android 4 it is quite viable. Got a HTC One X for myself for Christmas, Android 4.1... Very good experience if you put some effort into understanding and optimising your phone (Samsung S3 is solid right out of the box that's probably why it is No. 1 in Android smartphones).Edited by sr2012 - 12/30/12 at 7:08am