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The projection systems are only getting better

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/26/lg-hecto-laser-tv-projector-to-debut-at-ces-2013-promises-a-1/

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At one point 4:3 TV content was most common and we were able to move to 16:9 TVs. The 4:3 content just sat in the middle (or was stretched) until the programming caught up, but it did. At some point the concession to make the switch happened. I can't see that 16:9 will forever be the the aspect ratio for TV content simply because it's what we have now, especially as TVs grow in size.

 

I would agree with that, but until we get wall-sized TVs that can display multiple feeds on their surface wherever they want, 16:9 is the best compromise for all formats.  I was mostly trying to dispel the unusual idea that because a lot of movies are 2.4:1 that somehow this really wide and thin aspect ratio would be good for TVs (or is coming soon to TVs).  I think it far more likely that the TV will get so big that aspect ratio becomes irrelevant, before that happens.  

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Well, I don't know what's coming. We can all speculate, but there's one thing I can guarantee. It's going to be a whole lot of hoopla for something really lame.

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Samsuckz new TV shape should be a huge asz since they're full of sh!t.
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post

 

Okay, wait, how can a projector make something that bright in THIS level of external light?

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Samsuckz new TV shape should be a huge asz since they're full of sh!t.

 

One of best comments I read in a long time...

post #167 of 215
Funny that that whole video was filmed in Sydney (except for the "Welcome to fabulous Las Vegas" sign).
But I think that the TV is still rectangular - it's sitting on a plinth so it can rise above those that are looking up at it.
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I remember going to exactly one movie back in the 70s (or was it the early 80s?) where they handed out scratch and sniff cards to be used along with the movie. Funny thing... I can't even remember what that movie was now.

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post #169 of 215
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Samsung isn't announcing a "completely new device" they are promising an "unprecedented new shape".

Sorry to bust that brain fart, now come back with a new shape.

I think he was suggesting that the shape is taller, like in the picture with the sheet over it. When you're not watching the top portion in widescreen you can switch to the whole screen and show portrait-aspect pictures.

Crazy, I know, because I suggested the same thing. Of course it won't happen but neither will anything else suggested in this time-wasting thread. Maybe we'll get back to real news soon.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 
Okay, wait, how can a projector make something that bright in THIS level of external light?



It can't because if it was that bright, it would be a health risk. I do think lasers are the way forward though:



I'd like to see a foldable or roll-up screen material that a laser system projects onto from behind. This way, it can be as bright as it needs to be like the laservue but compact enough to fit into a very small box.

If they can do 100" at 22" depth from a single source, say they had the 3 lasers at the base and fed optical dispersion controllers all over a sheet or foldable material via optical fibre, they could cover a 100" area with a 2" depth and about 60 controllers.

These controllers would just fire the incoming R/G/B light at about 200 angles horizontally and vertically to build up the image. Because they can all be in columns and the screen could collapse, the whole 100" screen could be folded down to be a box that is 3" x 9" x 50".

The same base control system can have multiple screens so it can be a single unit with multiple sizes. It can be a widescreen TV for normal use or a square screen when you need to show holiday snaps.
post #171 of 215

Look smasung (did I spell that correctly?)

 

I'm sure you're excited about this...... ummm ......  

   t e l e v i s i o n  ...  (it is a TV, right?)

 

But, too be truthful, I don't give a rat's arse.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
I do think lasers are the way forward though:

 

75" and 85W?! I think that's impressive, at least. Wouldn't an LCD screen of that size be something like 225W?

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post #173 of 215
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Originally Posted by OzExige View Post

Look smasung (did I spell that correctly?)

I'm sure you're excited about this...... ummm ......  
   t e l e v i s i o n  ...  (it is a TV, right?)

But, too be truthful, I don't give a rat's arse.

(images)

I can't say I understand when people use some warping of a company's name or product, or when they wish some future endeavor will be a failure. I sincerely want Samsung to release something spectacular next week at CES. I want it to be a game changer. I want it to immediately and instantly change the way we look at television. I want it to be something original that after it's been done seems like the only way to do it going forward. I want this from all vendors at CES.

We're all biased in the sense that all our experiences are subjective. Even our objective views are all had subjectively but that's getting a little too philosophical. What I'm trying to express is that I do love my Apple products — I think they are the best the market has to offer — but I don't care about Apple outside of what they can offer me just as they don't care about me outside of what I'm willing to buy from them. My bias is wanting the best tech possible every day for the rest of my life. If Samsung can pull television out of this mostly stagnant move into the future then I'm all for it.

That said, their history for innovating an entire product with seamless integration and a great user experience isn't good but I certainly won't ignore them if they can bring it. They certainly have the resources to compete with Apple if they can change their mindshare, which is far better than I give most other tech companies.

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post #174 of 215
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I can't say I understand when people use some warping of a company's name or product, or when they wish some future endeavor will be a failure

We're all biased in the sense that all our experiences are subjective.

That said, their history for innovating an entire product with seamless integration and a great user experience isn't good but I certainly won't ignore them if they can bring it. They certainly have the resources to compete with Apple if they can change their mindshare, which is far better than I give most other tech companies.

 

Hey Sol, I agree, however, it WAS a spelling mistake and I thought WFT  -  I really DON'T care.

 

My experiences, as (once again) you pointed out correctly, ARE subjective....

to wit, I'm simply OLD and admittedly jaded in my philosophical view of technology, in particular, smasung

(see what I did there?), a 'manufacturing' company totally bereft of ANY innovation.

 

My recent experience was Christmas dinner for 17 guests, friends and family. All had 'smart-phones',

14 iPhones, 2 smasungs (sorry, can't help myself) and OMG A NOKIA! (geez I'm sorry, but a no-kia, WFT man?).

Both smasungs (I've corrected my spell-checker to include my new word :) and 7 of the iPhones had black silicone-type protectors...

From a short distance you could not immediately tell the difference between the 9 phones sitting on the table...

Sufficient proof to my subjective, idiosyncratic view that smasung are no more innovative than Japanese automotive companies were after WW2....

NOTE - if any of our members disagree, please be prepared for a 'discussion' bordering on WW3 ;-) 

 

BTW  -  did I mention I'm old?

and

please do not take me seriously, I'm not worth it

;-)

 

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post #175 of 215
As you can see from these design papers our new TV is NOT a rectangle with rounded corners but a circle with squared sides. And it says Samsung at the top, not the bottom. Completely different your honor.

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post #176 of 215
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Hey Sol, I agree, however, it WAS a spelling mistake and I thought WFT  -  I really DON'T care.
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lol.gif OK, I clearly didn't pick up on the article's(?) misspelling. I will say that being old doesn't mean you have to remain set in your ways. I don't see myself buying anything from Samsung but that's doesn't mean I'm anti-Samitic* either.



* Trying to follow your WWII trend so I hope that comment doesn't offend anyone.
Edited by SolipsismX - 1/1/13 at 10:01pm

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Thanks mate,

You're an OLD? man after my own heart.

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post #178 of 215
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That said, their history for innovating an entire product with seamless integration and a great user experience isn't good but I certainly won't ignore them if they can bring it. They certainly have the resources to compete with Apple if they can change their mindshare, which is far better than I give most other tech companies.

Hey Sol, I agree, however, it WAS a spelling mistake and I thought WFT  -  I really DON'T care.

My experiences, as (once again) you pointed out correctly, ARE subjective....
to wit, I'm simply OLD and admittedly jaded in my philosophical view of technology, in particular, smasung
(see what I did there?), a 'manufacturing' company totally bereft of ANY innovation.

My recent experience was Christmas dinner for 17 guests, friends and family. All had 'smart-phones',
14 iPhones, 2 smasungs (sorry, can't help myself) and OMG A NOKIA! (geez I'm sorry, but a no-kia, WFT man?).
Both smasungs (I've corrected my spell-checker to include my new word 1smile.gif and 7 of the iPhones had black silicone-type protectors...
From a short distance you could not immediately tell the difference between the 9 phones sitting on the table...
Sufficient proof to my subjective, idiosyncratic view that smasung are no more innovative than Japanese automotive companies were after WW2....
NOTE - if any of our members disagree, please be prepared for a 'discussion' bordering on WW3 ;-) 

BTW  -  did I mention I'm old?
and
please do not take me seriously, I'm not worth it
;-)

nothing personal..........

I too, am old!

As with the innocence of youth, the senility of age brings certain advantages... I can choose which teat to suckle, and which not to suckle. I can befriend the repulsive, and ignore the attractive...

I can say and do what I want, and choose my friends and enemies.

I do not like Sammy… I do not like the way they operate! To me, they are only worth my ridicule.

I fully support your position!
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post #179 of 215
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

 

I remember going to exactly one movie back in the 70s (or was it the early 80s?) where they handed out scratch and sniff cards to be used along with the movie. Funny thing... I can't even remember what that movie was now.

Scratch cards - that's a realistic and practical way to do smells. Except for the distraction of course.

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Originally Posted by jimothy View Post

Despite the hype, it's actually not a new shape. It's still rectangular. But, there is something innovative about it: It's an 80" TV. But it's also a tablet. And a phone. It's the new Samsung Galaxy S OMG phablevision. The next really freakin' big thing is almost here.

I heard it's going to be shaped like a horse.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

It would also have to exude smell at appropriate times, from cartridges inserted into the bottom of the panel. 

 

Televisions could adopt the inkjet printer model: the device itself would be completely free, but the constituent smell cartridges (all seven) would be $100 apiece and contain enough smell for a few days' programming only.

 

These could also be said to cover taste, and all that would remain is specialized viewing chairs, manipulating static electricity to manage touch.

 

Gives new meaning to the word "Sensurround"!

Funny you should mention it - Samsung has a patent on that "smell" technology for home TVs:

 

Smell-O-Vision Wafts Closer With New Research Project | TechHive

 

Also look up the Wikipedia entry for "smell-o-vision" for movie theatres - it's an interesting history that includes it's competitor "AromaRama", and the John Waters "Odorama" scatch and sniff cards. 

 

Smell-O-Vision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The english translation of "The idiotic nature of SamScum is bad. But it is fighting hard. If it is on its own, Samsung is the best. It has to invest in Bada OS. It has to kick the bloody Android OS." is "The idiotic nature of SamScum is bad. But it is fighting hard. If it is on its own, Samsung is the best. It has to invest in Bada OS. It has to kick the bloody Android OS."


So the problem isn't with the language, but with the "logic" in the "message"?

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WITH ADDED FRIDGE FREEZER
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Samsung are a bit more than that. They are huge (biggest company in South Korea I believe) and they make pretty decent stuff. My fridge, microwave and PC monitor are all Sammy and never had any problems with them.

 

I think the reason they copied the iPad was some kind of cultural difference which meant they didn't see anything wrong with it, but now that they have been successfully sued, I'm sure if they try to innovate they will be successful.

Actually, even there, Samsung simply made LG knockoffs (which made Japanese knockoffs).

 

Samsung has a long and storied tradition of copying. Phones are only the latest category in which they bring their unique replication talents.

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The fact is that the vast majority of the most popular feature films in the last ten years were shot 2.4:1.    (I used to argue as you did, but someone challenged me on this and I did the research and I realized they were correct:  In 2001, 56% of the top 100 films were 2.35:1.  In 2011, 68% of the top 100 films were 2.35:1.)    

The reason why we got stuck with 16:9 is because it was the most common shape between 4:3 SD television and 2.35:1.   It was determined by a SMPTE committee, but the Director's Guild was opposed to it--they wanted a compromise of 2.0:1.  The reason why it didn't happen was because these decisions were made when sets were still CRT and it was extremely difficult and expensive to build a CRT scanning gun that would maintain focus at the edges of a wide screen.      Had digital/HDTV come after the development of the plasma and LED technology, we probably would have had sets at somewhere between 2.0 and 2.4:1.

Whether 2.4:1 is the better shape is determined by whether one does more television watching or feature film watching.   If it's feature films, 2.4:1 AR makes more sense.   If it's TV, 16:9 makes more sense because the TV industry is not going to go through another major capital investment process, as they had to for digital TV to change the AR again.

That is more than I thought, but I didn't say they weren't common, I said "not all". The majority isn't as strong as it would justify going with superwide. With those numbers, you'd have to almost exclusively watch movies to make the super wide aspect ratio worth it, especially given the significant additional cost at the moment to get a stupid-wide TV. Watch any TV, especially any classic TV, then the equation looks dumb to very dumb.
Edited by JeffDM - 1/2/13 at 5:02am
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WHat benefit does a see-through TV offer?

When TV's get bigger and bigger, it's good to be able to see, whether somebody is hiding behind the screen.

And then there are all the people who are afraid of the dark. - With see through monitors, black will never be able to get so frighteningly dark again. 1wink.gif

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I think they will have just copied a Loewe Beovision:

 

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post #188 of 215
All this hype to be ripped apart in the comments here. I wish someone from Samsung's top rung sees all these comments 1wink.gif
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All this hype to be ripped apart in the comments here. I wish someone from Samsung's top rung sees all these comments 1wink.gif

Given that they are now announcing an evolution (not revolution) kit to upgrade old 2012 TVs:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/samsung-evolution-kit-ces2013/

it seems like Samsung realises people won't just throw out a TV after 1 year for the new model and so use an external box (like Apple).

It looks like the new one in the video has gotten rid of that bump/webcam on the top but the main display should overall look like what you see on the left.
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I didn't see a device that was "taller than it was wide". I saw a regular orientation TV sitting on top of a wide pedestal and a long sheet covering the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Given that they are now announcing an evolution (not revolution) kit to upgrade old 2012 TVs:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/samsung-evolution-kit-ces2013/
it seems like Samsung realises people won't just throw out a TV after 1 year for the new model and so use an external box (like Apple).
It looks like the new one in the video has gotten rid of that bump/webcam on the top but the main display should overall look like what you see on the left.


This could be one way Apple can sell a TV and sell a modula that can be updated every year or two.
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By simply attaching the Evolution Kit device into the back of a Samsung Smart TV, consumers can enjoy the latest features that the 2013 Smart TVs have to offer.

With hardware enhancements, such as CPU, memory and GPU up to the level of the latest Smart TV, users can enjoy faster speeds for browsing the Internet and multitask by using apps while watching TV.

I seem to recall HP selling such a product a decade ago in their MediaSmart(?) line which I don't think ever really caught on.

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the lower portion is for ads 24/7 regardless if you are watching anything on the TV. It's genius, i tell you!

Yet another Idiocracy prophecy... I could see Google pitching something like this as well, with an ad-supported hardware discount to attract more Walmart denizens. For a $100 subsidy, serve ads to consumers for the next 5-15 years (average tv upgrade time).

 

dasanman69 View Post
The iPod worked because people already had large CD libraries they could rip into iTunes and many were stealing music. That gave Apple time to get deals with the music industry. No such luxury with a television.

The AppleTV is their foot in the door, since it has Airplay streaming and other content streams. It could make a nice segue toward having everything built into the tv. If that's their next step.

 

Mike Conners View Post

"Samsung, one of Apple's chief rivals"... This statement makes no sense as Apple does NOT make TVs. Samsung makes many, many, many other consumer electronic devices other than cell phones, tablets, and laptops.

Adding "Apple" to any tech article grants an immediate 15% traffic increase, and a bonus to fire elemental commenters.

 

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The AppleTV is their foot in the door, since it has Airplay streaming and other content streams. It could make a nice segue toward having everything built into the tv. If that's their next step.

Yes but people are streaming from competing services. Can Apple out-Netflix Netflix and out-Hulu Hulu Plus?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post
New Sig.

 

And you're also paying close attention to your urine output. lol.gif

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Slow news day. The article has nothing to do with Apple.

 

Although I agree, it seems lots of people here are very interested in Samsung products (current and upcoming).

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new Samsung TV will have new shape. Couch Potato shape.
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I can't say I understand when people use some warping of a company's name or product, or when they wish some future endeavor will be a failure. I sincerely want Samsung to release something spectacular next week at CES. I want it to be a game changer. I want it to immediately and instantly change the way we look at television. I want it to be something original that after it's been done seems like the only way to do it going forward. I want this from all vendors at CES.
We're all biased in the sense that all our experiences are subjective. Even our objective views are all had subjectively but that's getting a little too philosophical. What I'm trying to express is that I do love my Apple products — I think they are the best the market has to offer — but I don't care about Apple outside of what they can offer me just as they don't care about me outside of what I'm willing to buy from them. My bias is wanting the best tech possible every day for the rest of my life. If Samsung can pull television out of this mostly stagnant move into the future then I'm all for it.
That said, their history for innovating an entire product with seamless integration and a great user experience isn't good but I certainly won't ignore them if they can bring it. They certainly have the resources to compete with Apple if they can change their mindshare, which is far better than I give most other tech companies.

 

Actually, I completely agree with you. Great products move industries and force competitors to introduce products that answer or exceed the market leader. We don't need more crap, we need more innovation and invention.

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New Sig.

 

I noticed and LOL'ed. 

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