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No developers would want to develop for a forked Android.

What is that forked version was on over half the devices? What if that forked version was mostly a way for developers could protect themselves from thieves. What if customers knew that apps in this forked version's app store were unlikely to be scam apps that stole your data, were not what they said they were, or had viruses in them?

Samsung could do just that and likely ruin the possibility that other Android-based vendors of making any advancement and Samsung could do it without resisting access to any regular Android app if the user still insisted. It would essentially be no different than getting apps in and outside the Mac App Store and using Gatekeeper to help protect your device.

Note that Samsung already has APIs for their Galaxy Note's Wacom digitizer. Not exactly a smoking gun but it could be seen as the first brick.

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It will be a square with rounded corners!
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It will be something using this technology:

 

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/43951/samsung-transparent-smart-windows-display

 

Probably glass top, no bezel and all the engine in a sound like bar at the bottom.

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Cute commercial. Despite Samsung's questionable business practices with regards to piggybacking off of Apple, they sure are serious about being serious! And they are definitely operating at a much quicker rate than Apple, which does give them an edge.
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And they are definitely operating at a much quicker rate than Apple, which does give them an edge.

 

A jagged edge, facing downward. It's basically like what happens to your aerodynamics if your muffler falls from its housing and drags under your vehicle. Or your engine.

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Slow news day. The article has nothing to do with Apple.

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When I heard the "gallery" comment I thought it might be one of those roll-up TVs, in the same way you can roll up a painting. But looking at the ad it seems when it lights up at the end it's not the screen coming on, but the stage lights (because the stairs behind the TV light up too), which makes me think it's see-through (as others have already mentioned). That would not be a new shape though unless you regard see-through as "no shape."

 

I don't know why TC keeps dropping hints about an Apple TV set. Do people really watch TV that much any more? I thought Apple was about skating to where the puck is going.

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Slow news day. The article has nothing to do with Apple.

Not directly, but lets remember back to late 2009 when there were all these rumours about the iTablet floating around and all these new tablets hitting CES. Now we have Samsung teasing a new TV and rumours of Intel pimping a set-top box, both of which I've never seen before.

I think these are perfect good reasons to add this to speculation about Apple may or may not do. Personally, I don't know if we'll see a TV from Apple but it seems odd that they have updated so many products recently that it will leave a Spring gap that previously had been held by the iPad. I think we may very well see a whole product category from Apple early this year (not taking bets).

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Any idea on what is new? Thinner? Smaller bezel (although that doesn't really refer to shape)? I'm stumped.
It could always fork Android. Imagine Samsung with their own vetted app store that also allows Google Play titles as the user sees fit. i thin that could be a powerful combination that could hurt every other vendor using Android.
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No developers would want to develop for a forked Android.

So, basically what you're saying is that google pays lip service to open source movement to get street cred with geek developers who then collectivity dismiss the diversity of open source, presumably for commercial reasons. Nice. Richard Stallman can shake his angry fists at all of them.

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When I heard the "gallery" comment I thought it might be one of those roll-up TVs, in the same way you can roll up a painting. But looking at the ad it seems when it lights up at the end it's not the screen coming on, but the stage lights (because the stairs behind the TV light up too), which makes me think it's see-through (as others have already mentioned). That would not be a new shape though unless you regard see-through as "no shape."

I don't know why TC keeps dropping hints about an Apple TV set. Do people really watch TV that much any more? I thought Apple was about skating to where the puck is going.

WHat benefit does a see-through TV offer? I certainly don't want to see behind my TV and I don't want any light from behind it to diffuse the image it's displaying. The see-through and curved displays in Avatar were neat but I don't see how they are practical unless they are for a protective screen with a heads-up display*.


* I don't recall windshields like that in Avatar.


edit: I just checked, they have the curved see-through displays before the windshield, not on them. Based on the ship's design and their need to touch elements near the display it makes sense.
Edited by SolipsismX - 12/31/12 at 6:25pm

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WHat benefit does a see-through TV offer? I certainly don't want to see behind my TV and I don't want any light from behind it to diffuse the image it's displaying. The see-through and curved displays in Avatar were neat but I don't see how they are practical unless they are for a protective screen with a heads-up display*.
* I don't recall windshields like that in Avatar.

I agree, the only practical use seems for a heads up display/windshield.

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Well... So do I... I didn't mean more sense in general terms -- rather, more sense vis a vis Meg and Moonbeam...

I voted for Meg, FWIW.

I'm not completely sure, but I think I voted for Meg as well... I thought you lived in NY?

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...too much of anything!
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So, I've seen CA Governers from Earl Warren, Goodie Knight, Pat Brown, Ronald Regan, Duke Deukmejian, Pete Wilson, Gray Davis, the Governator... and Moonbeam (2 times).
...too much of anything!

This might be the last thing I learn in 2012...

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WHat benefit does a see-through TV offer?

Glad you asked. There are several benefits to transparent displays:
1. Washed out blacks. The black level of the screen is the color of whatever is behind it.
2. Multitasking. You can stack several displays and watch multiple shows at once.
3. Magic fish bowl. You can finally find a use for those tacky aquarium screen savers
4. Impress geek friends who carry supersized android fonz. Seriously, nothing impresses geeks more than excess displays of impractical novelty tech.

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Yes but how? The iPod worked because people already had large CD libraries they could rip into iTunes and many were stealing music. That gave Apple time to get deals with the music industry. No such luxury with a television.

Very true.... music and television are very different industries.

I just feel confident that IF something can be done to revolutionize television... Apple would be able to do something before some random electronics manufacturer.

Or... nothing can be done at all... and this is all a bunch of nonsense. In which case Apple has every TV manufacturer scrambling to come up with something new... while Apple sits back and laughs 1smile.gif

Hell... look at Samsung: "we are launching a TV with an 'unprecedented new shape' at CES"

A new shape? Awesome!

I'm actually excited to see what Samsung has cooked up for CES. It will probably be great... for comedy 1biggrin.gif
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I just feel confident that IF something can be done to revolutionize television... Apple would be able to do something before some random electronics manufacturer.

Samsung are a bit more than that. They are huge (biggest company in South Korea I believe) and they make pretty decent stuff. My fridge, microwave and PC monitor are all Sammy and never had any problems with them.

 

I think the reason they copied the iPad was some kind of cultural difference which meant they didn't see anything wrong with it, but now that they have been successfully sued, I'm sure if they try to innovate they will be successful.

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"All TV's are rushing to see Samsungs"... Except Apple's!
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Samsung are a bit more than that. They are huge (biggest company in South Korea I believe) and they make pretty decent stuff. My fridge, microwave and PC monitor are all Sammy and never had any problems with them.

I think the reason they copied the iPad was some kind of cultural difference which meant they didn't see anything wrong with it, but now that they have been successfully sued, I'm sure if they try to innovate they will be successful.

True... Samsung makes great devices. But read the article I linked earlier: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Samsung-Apple-iOS-Android-Ecosystem,19805.html

Even a Samsung executive thinks most of their products are "device-centric." They're experienced by themselves. They're not experienced in a connected way.

Your example of a fridge, microwave and PC monitor is the perfect example of what he was talking about in the article... a bunch of devices that have little to do with each other.

My point was... Apple doesn't just make devices that stand alone, for the most part.

Apple tries to combine everything into a cohesive universe... phone, tablet, computer, cloud.

And yes... I realize Samsung has their own sort of cloud services too.

I think we can agree that television will be a hard nut to crack... IF it can be done at all.

The thing is... Apple already has a foot in a ton of different industries... music, movies, TV shows, apps, books, magazines, newspapers, etc.

If the future of television will rely on content deals... Apple has a good foundation. A lot stronger than the Samsungs, LGs and Toshibas of the world.

That's the difference I was trying to point out.

But who knows... I'm just excited to see what's coming next from all these companies.
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Please, do not attempt to adjust your oscilloscope. From the looks of it you really can't adjust much.

I don't know if that one was a TV or an oscilloscope, but there definitely were round TVs in the 40s:

http://www.stumptownblogger.com/2010/06/the-zenith-porthole-television-set.html
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the lower portion is for ads 24/7 regardless if you are watching anything on the TV. It's genius, i tell you!

The best part is the new Samsung AdVision. Cameras in the TV and refined facial recognition software allow the system to select appropriate ads for the viewer watching. So the kids see nothing but high priced, violent video game trailers and grandma and grandpa get denture cleaner and adult diapers.

Brilliant. (Until someone objects to the teens getting condom and cigarette ads)

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Whatever they have planned, it will all suddenly make perfect sense when revealed to the world.

And yet the stock price will go down cause its not what some Anal yst said it would be

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. No such luxury with a television.

Apple already has deals with the nets and studios. Even if they just refine those deals for file quality, avail dates and pricing they could make leaps. Getting missing seasons, older shows, direct subscriptions for content in things like HBOGo would be killer additions as well

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Apple already has deals with the nets and studios. Even if they just refine those deals for file quality, avail dates and pricing they could make leaps. Getting missing seasons, older shows, direct subscriptions for content in things like HBOGo would be killer additions as well

Sorry but I refuse to pay for TV episodes that I can watch under my current subscriptions with Hulu Plus and Netflix.
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I can see the differences in the image top to bottom, I just don't get it. They just seem so bland to me that I wondered if there was some backstory to the artwork that I'm not privy too.

Going to take a guess that you won't Asian, particularly Japanese.

The images are standard form in Manga. They have particular conventions that make sense to those that read it a lot. Don't feel bad, until I started reading them a couple of years ago I didn't get it either.

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I just saw Pat Benatar sing Ring Of Fire... That's how I'll remember 2012!
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post #107 of 215
I think I got it.

The TV can swivel to portrait or landscape. And why landscape, you ask? How about for starters...digital books...e.g. children's books.

Other uses might include using a massive monitor to send e-mail or compose a document.

That would explain the new shape. It also appears there will be a new software platform, new GUI...and perhaps a transparent quality to the screen.

Some of you might remember over a decade ago a company called Radius sold computer monitors that could pivot and they would auto sense their orientation and refresh the screen config. This technology has been around a long time.

Maybe a gimmick. Maybe not when you consider that TVs can be useful for other things that just standard TV shows.

Apple better move their ass.
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Originally Posted by CraigAppleW View Post
Some of you might remember over a decade ago a company called Radius sold computer monitors that could pivot and they would auto sense their orientation and refresh the screen config.

 

That you have to say "some" and "might" tells me that this isn't all that important. Otherwise it would just be standard everywhere and beyond consideration not to include it.


Apple better move their ass.

 

Is this one of those "sit down so you don't fall over laughing" things?

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WHat benefit does a see-through TV offer?

I just thought of a benefit. Depending on the aspect ratio of what's playing it could make the rest clear, so you never have black bars/letterbox, your TV just always fits what you're watching.

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I just thought of a benefit. Depending on the aspect ratio of what's playing it could make the rest clear, so you never have black bars/letterbox, your TV just always fits what you're watching.

 

Is that really an issue anymore? I mean, given modern per-pixel contrasts. Boy was there ever light leak with CRTs and early LCDs, but those days are basically gone. 

 

You'd still have the bezel around the TV, and that's black. But let's assume it's next to nothing.

Say you're watching a movie and the TV has this ability. So what? The room's dark. Everything outside the screen is black. But let's assume it's daytime.

The black serves to remove color bleeding and visual distraction from around the content. So in daytime viewing, something that doesn't fit the aspect ratio of the panel will be washed out by the panel's surrounding transparency, won't it?

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Tablets are more web useful when in portrait mode. So obviously a 1080p is better for the web at 1080 width and 1920 height. Prior to smart TV's, APple TV's and Google TV;s thus just did not matter. Let;s hope they have not combined it with a price raising, user indifferent semi-useless higher resolution TV.
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Hello this is Samsung customer technical support.

Uh yeah, I just bought this new TV and the picture is sideways. 

Did you install the TV correctly sir? 

I think so - I've had TVs before and never had this issue. 

Okay - you need to install the TV sideways. 

Wait a sec - in order for the the picture to be correct I need to install the TV sideways. 

That is correct. 

Okay I'll try that.

 

 

Hello this is Samsung customer technical support.

Hi again, so I reinstalled my TV "sideways" and now I have a really narrow picture and half the screen is blank. 
That is correct sir, that is letterbox mode, try pressing the picture mode button. 
Okay, now the bar is gone but all the people look like they are 20 feet all and 10 inches wide. 
That is correct sir, that is Avatar mode, try pressing the picture mode button again. 
Okay, now the screen is full and nothing looks stretched but the picture is sideways.
That is correct sire, you can now rotate the TV 90 degree and you'll be all set. 
Wait, what? why didn't you just have me do that picture mode thing before. 
Well sir, the new shape of our TV sets has nothing to do with the set but rather getting our customers all bent out of shape. thank you and have a nice day.

Reminds me of SJ explaining how one should hold his phone.
Naah, SJ wasn't commercial technical support

 

BTW, my mew Air 13 inch works wonders

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Is that really an issue anymore? I mean, given modern per-pixel contrasts. Boy was there ever light leak with CRTs and early LCDs, but those days are basically gone. 

 

You'd still have the bezel around the TV, and that's black. But let's assume it's next to nothing.

Say you're watching a movie and the TV has this ability. So what? The room's dark. Everything outside the screen is black. But let's assume it's daytime.

The black serves to remove color bleeding and visual distraction from around the content. So in daytime viewing, something that doesn't fit the aspect ratio of the panel will be washed out by the panel's surrounding transparency, won't it?

 

I guess if you watch movies in the dark a disappearing TV would be no advantage. But if you just watch TV shows in the evening with the lights on, maybe those black bars are a distraction, matching neither the image nor the TV surrounds (unless your TV cabinet is black of course).
 
As for the daytime, there is a kind of glass where you run a current through it and it goes from completely clear to completely opaque, sometimes used in car windows. Perhaps if they put a thin layer of this behind the image-bearing glass? They would need to find a way for the black glass to only activate in areas behind actual image though.
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Two guesses...1) vertical TV with reflective surface that turns into a mirror when not in use, or 2) touch screen TV with Android.  

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Some of you might remember over a decade ago a company called Radius sold computer monitors that could pivot and they would auto sense their orientation and refresh the screen config. This technology has been around a long time.
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Apple better move their ass.

The Radius Pivot monitor was designed explicitly for the Macintosh.

 

Cheers

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Huh

Did anybody else notice that this ad was filmed in Sydney, Australia?

 

So they had to come all the way to Australia to discover how to make a different shaped tv.

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I suspect that the "New Shape" is in fact the flexible screen tech they recently showed as a prototype. This would afford the consumer the possibility of altering the aspect ratio to suit what they are watching?  If this is the case then they would be one up on Apple. I sincerely hope not...

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Your next TV will be pure software.
iOS based software.


No more TVs to see, just content.
Nice transparent TVs?  The Emperor's New TV.

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Samsung are a bit more than that. They are huge (biggest company in South Korea I believe) and they make pretty decent stuff. My fridge, microwave and PC monitor are all Sammy and never had any problems with them.

I think the reason they copied the iPad was some kind of cultural difference which meant they didn't see anything wrong with it, but now that they have been successfully sued, I'm sure if they try to innovate they will be successful.

I am suffering from inner conflict, I as an Apple person hate Scamsung but really want to get one of their fridges 1hmm.gif
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