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Apple's newest operating system, OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, accounted for more than 32 percent of all internet traffic originating from Apple computers in December, and is nearly doubling the growth seen previously by OS X 10.7 Lion, a recent study found.

Mountain Lion Share
Mac OS X version internet share for December 2012. | Source: Net Marketshare


Five months after rolling out, Apple's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion has outstripped the monthly internet share of its predecessor OS X 10.7 Lion, reports web statistics firm Net Marketshare (via TechCrunch), a feat that took Lion nearly ten months to accomplish.

In November, Mountain Lion was nipping at the heels of Lion, both of which were in the 29 percentile range with a difference of only 0.49 percent. OS X Snow Leopard

Data for the intervening months since Mountain Lion was released in July show the OS accounting for a 24.7 percent internet share, third among Mac operating systems behind the installed base of Snow Leopard and Lion, which garnered a 31.62 percent share and 32.14 percent share, respectively.

With the requirement to have Lion running in order to install Mountain Lion, the data suggests a healthy upgrade cycle for many Mac users who either already have the latest OS or are primed to download it through the Mac App Store.

As for overall internet share in December, Microsoft's Windows is the clear leader with Windows 7's 45.11 percent share followed by a 39.08 share for Windows XP. Windows Vista continues to lose ground with 5.67 percent, but still managed to double Apple's Mountain Lion which accounted for a 2.27 percent share. OS X 10.7 Lion and 10.6 Snow Leopard trailed with roughly 2 percent each, while Windows 8 finished the month with a 1.72 percent share, just ahead of Linux machines.
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What is Windows 8 up to now?

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
What is Windows 8 up to now?

 

Probably more than all versions of OS X combined.

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Not surprising, considering Lion was the Vista of OSX. That was the first time I've ever downgraded to a previous version after upgrading my Mac.
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Originally Posted by Cash907 View Post
Not surprising, considering Lion was the Vista of OSX.

 

In what way?

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What is Windows 8 up to now?

It said about 1.8%, but I think these guys are doing internet traffic, not actual users.  The thing that is kind of misleading is that just because someone bought WIndows 8, they might have installed it and then realized it sucks and then went back to Windows 7..  I don't know how ANY of these market research companies can accurately tell us anything, and Microsoft might be including Windows 8 users as follows: Let's say someone buys WIndows 8 Home and then upgrades it to Professional.  Does Microsoft calculate this as ONE licenses or TWO to make people THINK they have larger user base?

 

They said recently that there is 1 Billion WIndows  7 users, but if WIndows 7 is about 50%, then there would be about 2 billion Windows users, but there aren't.  Would someone that has two computers, both running Windows 7 (one computer doesn't really work and the other does), Microsoft will calculate this as TWO users or TWO licenses?  There are a LOT of users that have more than one computer regardless of OS.  Heck some kids have more than 2 or 3 for that matter.  

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It said about 1.8%, but I think these guys are doing internet traffic, not actual users.  The thing that is kind of misleading is that just because someone bought WIndows 8, they might have installed it and then realized it sucks and then went back to Windows 7..  I don't know how ANY of these market research companies can accurately tell us anything, and Microsoft might be including Windows 8 users as follows: Let's say someone buys WIndows 8 Home and then upgrades it to Professional.  Does Microsoft calculate this as ONE licenses or TWO to make people THINK they have larger user base?

They said recently that there is 1 Billion WIndows  7 users, but if WIndows 7 is about 50%, then there would be about 2 billion Windows users, but there aren't.  Would someone that has two computers, both running Windows 7 (one computer doesn't really work and the other does), Microsoft will calculate this as TWO users or TWO licenses?  There are a LOT of users that have more than one computer regardless of OS.  Heck some kids have more than 2 or 3 for that matter.  

Good points and great questions. I am sure they will count an upgrade from Win 8 to Win 8 Pro as a two licenses because it would have two distinct licenses. Even thought that means the installed base is still just one they should be able to count that as two licenses, but we need to be aware of how these licenses differ than Apple's OS.

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I don't think Windows 8 has the Lion's share.

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Not surprising, considering Lion was the Vista of OSX.

In what way?

In more ways than I care to list, but window management alone was enough that I wanted to smash to pieces every Mac with lion I had to use; Mountain Lion fixes the worst issues, but in simple usability is still behind snow leopard, but as iCloud sync user with the end of MobileMe there's no choice but to move up to (mountain)lion.
Lack of keychain sync, iCloud etc. are also downgrades, and the transition from MobileMe to iCloud with a time when it was impossible to sign up for one while the other wasn't rolled out yet were also giant support nightmares. ML is bearable, but SL (a few bugs aside) was much better from a GUI POV. Similar the new iTunes is not as nice to use as the older version in some ways too, even if in others it's better. e.g. lack of cover flow for a visually oriented person is a huge step backwards.

Apple always seem to engage in this two steps forward one step back pattern; I wish they would learn to skip the back step...,
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I upgraded 2 of my Macs to Lion and kept on going.  Things were different, but once you got used to them, better.  (and this from a long time Mac user -- started in '84 using other people's Macs, got my first own Mac in '89).

 

Now those same two machines are at Mountain Lion (one has been since ML came out, one just was done a couple weeks ago) and things have only gotten better.

 

I upgraded another one of my machines, that was at SL 10.6.8 to 10.8.2 Mountain Lion.

 

(and AppleInside, NO, you do NOT have to upgrade to Lion first.  You can upgrade directly from 10.6.8 according to the AppStore and I in fact did just that with my Mac mini)

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In more ways than I care to list, but window management alone was enough that I wanted to smash to pieces every Mac with lion I had to use; Mountain Lion fixes the worst issues, but in simple usability is still behind snow leopard,
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ML is bearable, but SL (a few bugs aside) was much better from a GUI POV. 
 

 

I realize you are just expressing your personal opinion, but no, Snow Leopard is not much better from a GUI POV and is not ahead in simple usability.

 

Things are different in many respects, so people entrenched in their ways may get frustrated (a point I can well relate to since I first started using Macs with a 128k Mac in 1984 [friends, labs at school, etc.  I was a college freshman in 1984 and my school was one of the original 24 Apple Consortium schools], bought my first Mac in 1989, and used OpenStep at work, then Rhapsody, and have been an OS X user since the first external betas).  But that does not make the old Snow Leopard ways better or easier.  Lion and Mountain Lion change some paradigms.   Once you get used to them, and understand what they are aiming for, you see that things actually work better in many cases.  Is everything better in ML?  No, they are still working and iterating on things to improve them.

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And Snow Leopard STILL has more share than Lion. I'm still on 10.6.8 and will be indefinitely the way things are going.
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Apple always seem to engage in this two steps forward one step back pattern; I wish they would learn to skip the back step...,

That's true, they release big new versions and are not afraid to drop features from the old version. But over time they eventually bring most of them back. I think this is due to software engineering reasons. Periodically you have to update your underlying platform and there are costs but it puts you on a better path going forward. If you don't make these periodic sacrifices and keep piling stuff on the old platform eventually you end up with bloatware that's hard to modify and has security problems.

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If you don't make these periodic sacrifices and keep piling stuff on the old platform eventually you end up with bloatware that's hard to modify and has security problems.

If only there was some relevant example of this we could use. 1biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by graxspoo View Post
I'm still on 10.6.8 and will be indefinitely the way things are going.

 

Wonder how many people still run Mac OS 9. Wonder if you'll feel like them in three years.

 

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I'm still on 10.6.8 and will be indefinitely the way things are going.

Wonder how many people still run Mac OS 9. Wonder if you'll feel like them in three years.

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Yep, 4.2.1 sucked, for sure¡

Cool that you still have a bootable OS9. Do you have many images of the older OS's? And what about OSX - all 9 versions?
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Cool that you still have a bootable OS9. Do you have many images of the older OS's? And what about OSX - all 9 versions?

It's a lot of fun trying to get OS 9 to run on OS X, the programs to use are Mini vmac or Sheepshaver if you're interested. That OS had a fun factor (whimsical icons etc) which encourages creativity I think, which modern OSes (even Apple ones) lack somewhat.

 

That said I would not trade it for the security you need on today's Internet that only OS X provides. But it would be nice if Jony Ive would bring the fun factor back to OS X (he is the new iOS/OS X gui designer) but I fear he will be stark and minimalistic.

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In the way it was so chok-a-block full of bugs that it was less functional than the previous version. Networking issues, graphical issues, interface issues, sandbox issues, etc etc etc. What's more, it also removed legacy support without offering new features or improved speed to compensate for the loss. True that Vista excluded legacy hardware whereas Lion excluded legacy software, but the point is both left many users in the cold for no reason whatsoever other than to force them to waste money on unnecessary upgrades, which was best case scenario, as many legacy apps and hardware were end of life and no upgrade was available.

 

Beyond that, adoption statistics clearly show users are leapfrogging over Lion for Mountain Lion, much like Windows users waited for 7 before upgrading from XP.

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What is Windows 8 up to now?

Up to no good I'd guess 1wink.gif
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Wonder how many people still run Mac OS 9. Wonder if you'll feel like them in three years.

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And Snow Leopard STILL has more share than Lion. I'm still on 10.6.8 and will be indefinitely the way things are going.

 

"STILL" is not exactly the right word here. If you look at this graph, you can see that Lion surpassed Snow Leopard some time ago, that Snow Leopard is in a steady decline, and that Lion use is only less than Snow Leopard use now because of Mountain Lion adoption.

 

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The only reason anyone should still be on Lion is if their Mac wont allow them to upgrade to ML. Why people don't upgrade for $20 is beyond me.

Also, for those still using SL- why? If you have some PPC program- and can't find a better alternative, I understand. But how many people could that be- 20?
If your Mac can't upgrade, I get that too, obviously. But Lion (particularly the newest version) is better than SL. And Mountain lion even Moreso. iCloud alone is insanely more helpful... Why you wouldn't want everything to sync up is beyond my grasp.

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I realize you are just expressing your personal opinion, but no, Snow Leopard is not much better from a GUI POV and is not ahead in simple usability..

And despite your 'factual' phrasing and tone, your comment is also nothing more than a personal opinion.

A lot of folks did not like the changes. Many still don't and have tweaked, even hacked, the OS to be more like what it was before in terms of UI. They only stuck with the software at all because of things like iCloud. Fine and Dandy. Their computer, their usage. As long as they don't sneer at me for not tweaking the crap out of my computer because I'm fine with the changes, I won't sneer because they are not.

I suspect this uptake is more to do with the increase in iOS devices which require at least OS 10.7 for iCloud and for many required a new computer cause they were still rocking what puny iBook g4 or such. Many folks put off upgrading to lion cause they didn't understand iCloud but now they might have some clue (and with iWork able to seamlessly sync files in ML) and they jumped in also.

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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
Cool that you still have a bootable OS9. Do you have many images of the older OS's? And what about OSX - all 9 versions?

 

I still have… a 7.5.1 disc, 9.1, 9.2 (which I need to install on my LC 575 someday), Jaguar retail, 10.4.7, and Snow/Leopard retail discs. That's off the top of my head. Never had Panther, Cheetah, or Puma, and I think I might have System 5 or 6 somewhere, even if it's just a "came with the machine" version.

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The only reason anyone should still be on Lion is if their Mac wont allow them to upgrade to ML. Why people don't upgrade for $20 is beyond me.
Also, for those still using SL- why? If you have some PPC program- and can't find a better alternative, I understand. But how many people could that be- 20?
If your Mac can't upgrade, I get that too, obviously. But Lion (particularly the newest version) is better than SL. And Mountain lion even Moreso. iCloud alone is insanely more helpful... Why you wouldn't want everything to sync up is beyond my grasp.

There are a number of reasons someone might be using Snow Leopard:

- As you've pointed out, some apps require it.

- A larger number of users (I suspect) just don't see any reason to upgrade. You see the same thing with Windows (XP is still the #2 OS). A large percentage of the computer using population really couldn't care less about having the latest and greatest thing. If they have something that works, why mess with it? And XP and Snow Leopard were both perfectly functional operating systems.

The latter effect is compounded by the experience many people had in the 90s when upgrading an OS was an adventure - and prone to all sorts of problems. Someone who started using computers in the 90s and dealt with the Windows 3.1 to 95 transition or Mac OS 9 to 10 transition might be even more likely to say "why bother?"
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A lot of folks did not like the changes. Many still don't.

Agreed. The AutoSave feature in ML is still clumsily implemented. Although we can now turn it off, as far as I can see it the OS still autosaves changes but then invites you to discard them if you don't want them. If you are working on a memory stick or other device with insufficient free memory, this procedure will lead to a hang and crash of the system. What should happen, of course, is as before - the OS only Saves when you command it to. This AutoSave "feature", which in practice is more AutoDestruct, remains the biggest flaw in ML, in my view. It scares me so much I still don't trust it.

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And despite your 'factual' phrasing and tone, your comment is also nothing more than a personal opinion.
A lot of folks did not like the changes. Many still don't and have tweaked, even hacked, the OS to be more like what it was before in terms of UI. They only stuck with the software at all because of things like iCloud. Fine and Dandy. Their computer, their usage. As long as they don't sneer at me for not tweaking the crap out of my computer because I'm fine with the changes, I won't sneer because they are not.
I suspect this uptake is more to do with the increase in iOS devices which require at least OS 10.7 for iCloud and for many required a new computer cause they were still rocking what puny iBook g4 or such. Many folks put off upgrading to lion cause they didn't understand iCloud but now they might have some clue (and with iWork able to seamlessly sync files in ML) and they jumped in also.

Agreed, opinion.

 

People who don't like change and progress and are stuck in the dark ages ;-)

 

I personally have 2 computers running 10.5.5/10.5.8 (the minor version are from memory and could be off), and until a week or two ago, had a machine at 10.6.8, 10.7.4, and 10.8.0.  I have since updated these latter three to 10.8.2.  10.8.2 is a much smoother experience than 10.6 of any sort and improves on 10.7.

 

One of the two 10.5 machines won't update past SL I believe (2007 mini).  It currently is doing one  thing with its 1GB of RAM -- running a VMWare instance (old VMWare) of a linux and asterisk based phone system for my office.  When I put it in in 2008, it was the quickest way to what I needed done for my home office phone system.  The other is a 2007 Macbook Pro, which should actually still run 10.8 but has been used to run credit cards and to ship products (from some home grown software and through a browser) and do accounting.  And one of the accounting programs is a PPC app I don't want to pay to upgrade since the side businesses I run with it don't generate enough money to make me want to pay a big fee for the software.  My main business is on different software that is intel native.  (And I don't want the hassle of converting the side businesses to the new software I already own -- huge job).  I bought 4GB of RAM for the mini (and a hand me down SSD from another machine that got upgraded) and will update it to 10.6.8.   I will move all the accounting/shipping/credit card stuff off the Macbook Pro (2007) to the mini (2007) and run both the phone and the business stuff off of it and 10.6.8.  I will then update the Macbook Pro to 10.8 and use it as a general purpose computer.  That is the goal when I have a spare moment or two.

 

I have bought new SSD and new RAM for some of my machines, and older SSD are trickling down.

 

Apple has done a pretty good job of supporting reasonably old hardware with Mountain Lion.  Of the machines I have, a Mac Pro (early 2008) upgraded with a Radeon 5770 due to failure of the nVidia Quadro that was in it, a Macbook unibody (late 2008), a mini (late 2007), a mini (early 2009), and a Macbook Pro (2007), I believe that only the Mac mini (2007) won't upgrade to ML.  The first 3 are already there and the Macbook Pro 2007 is in the good list with its nVidia 8600M.  The "newst" of these machines is about (almost) 4 years old, the mini (2009) and it runs great with 8GB RAM and an SSD replacing its original HD as does the Macbook 2008 with the same 8GB and SSD.  The Mac Pro got 2 SSDs to augment its 1GB WD black drives (2010 models) with the boot and my user account on the SSDs, and large media files on the hard disks.  It also runs really nicely and fast despite being almost 5 years old (base machine).  (In fact, the Mac Pro also has a low end SATA card installed with an older SSD with Win 7 installed on it in bootcamp type scenario and runs Win 7 really well as well -- many games allow me high settings and run smoothly)

 

So, with a few strategic upgrades, relatively older machines run ML quite well.  (I realize some older machines with low end integrated graphics won't run it even when newer than my stuff).

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The only reason anyone should still be on Lion is if their Mac wont allow them to upgrade to ML. Why people don't upgrade for $20 is beyond me.
Also, for those still using SL- why? If you have some PPC program- and can't find a better alternative, I understand. But how many people could that be- 20?
If your Mac can't upgrade, I get that too, obviously. But Lion (particularly the newest version) is better than SL. And Mountain lion even Moreso. iCloud alone is insanely more helpful... Why you wouldn't want everything to sync up is beyond my grasp.

Just because they can upgrade doesn't mean it is worth it. I have two Macs on SL, it is not worth the performance degrade to update them to Lion, let alone any higher

Also, two of my Macs also have that wonderful feature you get after having them serviced, you can't join iCloud on them, so it is a worthless feature to some people
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Just because they can upgrade doesn't mean it is worth it. I have two Macs on SL, it is not worth the performance degrade to update them to Lion, let alone any higher

 

What performance downgrade? If you have the RAM, you can handle the OS.


Also, two of my Macs also have that wonderful feature you get after having them serviced, you can't join iCloud on them, so it is a worthless feature to some people

 

How does that make any sense? Log in. 

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What performance downgrade? If you have the RAM, you can handle the OS.

My iMac can take 3GB of RAM (which it has), one of the MacBooks can take 4GB (which it has), both slow to near on being unusable, that is the performance downgrade.
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How does that make any sense? Log in. 

How does that make sense? Maybe you should look at the Apple Support Boards and see the tonnes of people in the same situation, when Apple replaces the main board and forgets to write the serial number back to the new board you can't join iCloud. So how do I do this "log in" thing you talk about?
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
My iMac can take 3GB of RAM (which it has), one of the MacBooks can take 4GB (which it has), both slow to near on being unusable, that is the performance downgrade.

 

Our iMac with 3GB and Lion runs fine. My MacBook Pro (only one step newer) with 4GB and Mountain Lion runs even faster.

 

How does that make sense? Maybe you should look at the Apple Support Boards and see the tonnes of people in the same situation, when Apple replaces the main board and forgets to write the serial number back to the new board you can't join iCloud. So how do I do this "log in" thing you talk about?
 

By logging in. Are you suggesting that iCloud is tied to hardware and that it cannot ever be connected to on new hardware at any time for any reason? So if I were to try to input my iCloud information onto a computer that isn't one of the computers I have right now, you're saying I couldn't do it, is that right?

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Our iMac with 3GB and Lion runs fine. My MacBook Pro (only one step newer) with 4GB and Mountain Lion runs even faster.

Good for you, mine doesn't.
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By logging in. Are you suggesting that iCloud is tied to hardware and that it cannot ever be connected to on new hardware at any time for any reason? So if I were to try to input my iCloud information onto a computer that isn't one of the computers I have right now, you're saying I couldn't do it, is that right?

ok, I'll go to the System Preferences, click on iCloud, log in…

I get a dialog box with the following in it

Account Limit Reached
Account Limit Reached

So now what do I do? If you pull your finger out and listen to others for once, maybe you will realise you are not always right. My Mac doesn't have a Serial Number on it (I get the "Serial Number System Serial#" in about this Mac), from what I have read on the Apple Support Boards, Apple uses the Serial number of the Mac when joining iCloud. So no, I am not saying what you claim I am saying, I am saying what is happening.
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post
Good for you, mine doesn't.

 

What family of machines are they?


My Mac doesn't have a Serial Number on it (I get the "Serial Number System Serial#" in about this Mac)

 

OH! I see what you're saying; apologies. Okay, that's a free fix from Apple. It isn't a permanent problem, like you're pretending. iCloud is also in no way a "worthless feature" when it isn't responsible for the problem that prevents its use. It's Apple's fault for not fixing your machine right, and they'll fix it properly if you take it back. 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already f*ed.

 

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What family of machines are they?

2006 24" iMac, and a 2007 MacBook

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OH! I see what you're saying; apologies. Okay, that's a free fix from Apple. It isn't a permanent problem, like you're pretending. iCloud is also in no way a "worthless feature" when it isn't responsible for the problem that prevents its use. It's Apple's fault for not fixing your machine right, and they'll fix it properly if you take it back. 

Nope, not free, both are outside of warranty period (a different MacBook than above), and one was purchased overseas, so Apple will wipe their hands of them I am afraid. I was not aware of the issues that the two different support agencies not doing their jobs correctly at the time, otherwise I would have got them to fix it.

And actually iCloud is stopping me from using it, Apple has implemented iCloud to require the serial number to log on, it is iClouds issue
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Good for you, mine doesn't.
ok, I'll go to the System Preferences, click on iCloud, log in…
I get a dialog box with the following in it
Account Limit Reached
Account Limit Reached
So now what do I do? If you pull your finger out and listen to others for once, maybe you will realise you are not always right. My Mac doesn't have a Serial Number on it (I get the "Serial Number System Serial#" in about this Mac), from what I have read on the Apple Support Boards, Apple uses the Serial number of the Mac when joining iCloud. So no, I am not saying what you claim I am saying, I am saying what is happening.

Sounds like someone has done a bunch of stuff beyond their ken to make their Macs not function properly and then they're turning around and blaming Apple for it. There is no way a modern with ML and 4GB RAM is "slow to near on being unusable" without the user not comprehending something important. Even people building Hackintoshes know to generate a serial for iCloud.

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It's a lot of fun trying to get OS 9 to run on OS X, the programs to use are Mini vmac or Sheepshaver if you're interested.

SheepShaver! That was it; thanks for the reminder!
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But it would be nice if Jony Ive would bring the fun factor back to OS X (he is the new iOS/OS X gui designer) but I fear he will be stark and minimalistic.
He is minimalistic, isn't he?



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Cool that you still have a bootable OS9. Do you have many images of the older OS's? And what about OSX - all 9 versions?

I still have… a 7.5.1 disc, 9.1, 9.2 (which I need to install on my LC 575 someday), Jaguar retail, 10.4.7, and Snow/Leopard retail discs. That's off the top of my head. Never had Panther, Cheetah, or Puma, and I think I might have System 5 or 6 somewhere, even if it's just a "came with the machine" version.

These are the discs you mean, no? I thought you might have a whole bunch of working versions (virtualized or not) running at the flip of a switch. I don't, but do have all the older discs. Floppies and all, OS, Rhapsody, Kodiak, OSX...



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At the risk of getting into a long discussion I'm not going to reply but merely post a link and pic to the (OT) at hand, which might be a fix:



http://www.hackintosh-india.com/2009/05/icloud-and-facetime-fix-for-hackintosh.html
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The only reason anyone should still be on Lion is if their Mac wont allow them to upgrade to ML. Why people don't upgrade for $20 is beyond me.

For various reasons I got rather mauled by Lion when I installed it - some self-inflicted, some not. I decided to wait and see this time, and also made the mistake of checking the Apple Discussion Forums. There seemed to be more Squawking and Clucking than usual over ML, so I deferred installing it for some of these reasons as well. The cost of the update was not the issue at all.

As it turned out, the last update to Lion (10.7.5) seemed to fix a number of issues, as possibly did my decision to stop using Chrome. With everything working smoothly, I am chary of throwing another spanner in the works. I currently don't have a pressing need to update, either (e.g., software like Rhino not running, which was the main reason for me updating from SL to L).

If someone can give me an unanswerable reason to update, I would consider it. But it would have to be good, and there's nothing in the list of features that I've seen so far to make me change my mind; my mid-2010 iMac is too old for snazzy things like AirPlay Mirroring. As for iCloud, my address book updates are fine across all three of my iDevices (iMac, iPhone and iPad), and I can currently do without access to open Safari tabs on the iMac (although it would be nice - but not nice enough to tempt me).
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My iMac can take 3GB of RAM (which it has), one of the MacBooks can take 4GB (which it has), both slow to near on being unusable, that is the performance downgrade.
 

 

My Macbook (late 2008) with 4GB ran ML just fine.  Before that it ran Lion just fine.  No slower than it ran SL.

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 and one was purchased overseas, so Apple will wipe their hands of them I am afraid. 

 

Apple's warranties are worldwide.  You should not have a problem servicing an Apple device bought overseas in the US.

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It's a lot of fun trying to get OS 9 to run on OS X, the programs to use are Mini vmac or Sheepshaver if you're interested. That OS had a fun factor (whimsical icons etc) which encourages creativity I think, which modern OSes (even Apple ones) lack somewhat.

That said I would not trade it for the security you need on today's Internet that only OS X provides. But it would be nice if Jony Ive would bring the fun factor back to OS X (he is the new iOS/OS X gui designer) but I fear he will be stark and minimalistic.

I think Apple and Microsoft are moving away from all the chrome in the OS until all that is left is your content. Controls popup/fly out when needed, then disappear again. Even the normally ever-present OS X menu bar is hidden in full screen mode. In other words, the OS won't have much of a GUI itself. There are still a few holdovers from the desktop metaphor of the 80s still left, but it's clear what the direction will be in the near future: a launch pad / start screen showing all your applications, a file manager (finder, explorer) for accessing storage media (while traditional directory-based file systems are still in use, but even that will evolve into some other paradigm).

Years ago, Steve Jobs said to Walt Mossberg that someday, the Finder will be an app that just the pros use, and everyone else will use Spotlight to find content, even launch apps. While habits are slower to change, I'm convinced Steve was way ahead of his time when it said that. Why not search our computers' file systems that way we search the web? My point is that, if the Finder becomes just another app for file management, rather than the "underlying desktop surface" on which sit layers of open windows, then Mac OS X will not have any GUI "personality" at all.

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