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Years ago, Steve Jobs said to Walt Mossberg that someday, the Finder will be an app that just the pros use, and everyone else will use Spotlight to find content, even launch apps. While habits are slower to change, I'm convinced Steve was way ahead of his time when it said that. Why not search our computers' file systems that way we search the web? My point is that, if the Finder becomes just another app for file management, rather than the "underlying desktop surface" on which sit layers of open windows, then Mac OS X will not have any GUI "personality" at all.

 

Ooh. Link?

 

I definitely believe the filesystem will just be something we (us) use, while new users (starting, oh… 2016?) won't have a clue how to navigate a folder tree. They won't need to.

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Ooh. Link?

I definitely believe the filesystem will just be something we (us) use, while new users (starting, oh… 2016?) won't have a clue how to navigate a folder tree. They won't need to.

I don't have a link, but do remember that as well. Don't even remember who he said that to, but that's unimportant. Bit like the Finder, although I would sorely miss it as I tend to remember where I put things. Yet at the same time, I must confess that with so many things Apple does; if you just let go of the old notion and habits, they often figured stuff out. Like:

  • Spotlight
  • File management in iTunes / Aperture
  • Backups through TM
  • Manually copying stuff over; we now have iCloud for (a part of) the stuff that we used to copy over to make it available
and so on and so forth...
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post #43 of 60
10.6 was a meaningful upgrade over 10.4. I suppose 10.8 is fine. But get real, nothing has really changed since 10.6. Nothing that matters, anyway. And that's fine - but the notion of upgrading these days is devoid of really any meaning.
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10.6 was a meaningful upgrade over 10.4. I suppose 10.8 is fine. But get real, nothing has really changed since 10.6. Nothing that matters, anyway. And that's fine - but the notion of upgrading these days is devoid of really any meaning.

What?! That just sounds like crazy talk. Think about what has changed between SL and ML. Now consider the cost for these upgrades. Unless there was some specific PPC app [or some other apps that don't work well or at all under newer version of OS X] that you just have to have I don't see how anyone can say it's not worth it.


edit: Added data in brackets to further encapsulate what I think are legitimate reasons for it not being worth it.
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…the notion of upgrading these days is devoid of really any meaning.

 

Why aren't you still on your Altair?

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post #46 of 60
My main work station has ML, but #2 is still on SL for the use of three programs. One, used rarely, cost $200 to upgrade. The other, used more frequently, is a $1500 upgrade. And then, there's QuickBooks 2008. Stable under SL and flakey with ML. So it's not always about shiny new features.
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…2 is still on SL for the use of three programs. One, used rarely, cost $200 to upgrade. The other, used more frequently, is a $1500 upgrade. And then, there's QuickBooks 2008. Stable under SL and flakey with ML.


Yep, that's a valid point. Whatever they are, wherever they are, keep checking places like this to see if there's a modern alternative.

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New features since 10.6 are so minor that they would scarcely qualify as a single point release back in the days of 10.2 or 10.3.  Those were big bumps in usability and features, back then.  Today?  I'd call it maybe perceptible, but given that Apple is the most powerful hype machine globally, that's an impossible thing to really test.  I use Parallels, SAS, Adobe, FCP, Office 2011, Stata among my regular tools.  I'm happy.  Maybe 10.8 has a new feature or two; don't know, don't care.  As for this cloud stuff, I'd gladly pay an extra $50 to be sure my files are NOT going in any cloud, ever.

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New features since 10.6 are so minor that they would scarcely qualify as a single point release back in the days of 10.2 or 10.3.  Those were big bumps in usability and features, back then.  Today?  I'd call it maybe perceptible, but given that Apple is the most powerful hype machine globally, that's an impossible thing to really test.  I use Parallels, SAS, Adobe, FCP, Office 2011, Stata among my regular tools.  I'm happy.  Maybe 10.8 has a new feature or two; don't know, don't care.  As for this cloud stuff, I'd gladly pay an extra $50 to be sure my files are NOT going in any cloud, ever.

So your gripe is that Mac OS X is a full, feature rich OS as opposed to the days when it was still trying to solidify itself? That doesn't sound like a reasonable argument to me.

You might want to check out the differences between 10.1 to 10.2 and 10.2 to 10.3. Note there was only 11 months and 13 months between them, respectively. A reason for the fast turnover then was because it was very new and there were a lot of ironing out to be made. I'm very happy that now we get robust features added with a lot of polishing for a very low price. Mountain Lion is the best version of Mac OS that Apple has ever produced.

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Sounds like someone has done a bunch of stuff beyond their ken to make their Macs not function properly and then they're turning around and blaming Apple for it. There is no way a modern with ML and 4GB RAM is "slow to near on being unusable" without the user not comprehending something important..

I disagree. On some systems, there appears to be a memory leak in Safari which uses up all available RAM and eventually slows the system significantly. I would suggest quitting and relaunching Safari periodically (every couple of days is probably enough if you're an average user). Since you can set it to reopen your tabs, you don't lose your place.

It shouldn't happen, but it sometimes does.
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I disagree. On some systems, there appears to be a memory leak in Safari which uses up all available RAM and eventually slows the system significantly.

I am experiencing this bug wih one specific website so it might be some loop Safari gets stuck into due to poor programming from the designer of that site...
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post #52 of 60
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New features since 10.6 are so minor that they would scarcely qualify as a single point release back in the days of 10.2 or 10.3.  Those were big bumps in usability and features, back then.  Today?  I'd call it maybe perceptible, but given that Apple is the most powerful hype machine globally, that's an impossible thing to really test.  I use Parallels, SAS, Adobe, FCP, Office 2011, Stata among my regular tools.  I'm happy.  Maybe 10.8 has a new feature or two; don't know, don't care.  As for this cloud stuff, I'd gladly pay an extra $50 to be sure my files are NOT going in any cloud, ever.
Forget about the few hundred new features, better mail, iCloud, gestures, notifications, etc

How about security and encryption? Keep in mind the only computers hit so far have been those running SL or earlier. And let's also not forget the automatic security patches in ML behind the scenes.
Edited by Andysol - 1/7/13 at 7:02am

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post #53 of 60
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Wonder how many people still run Mac OS 9. Wonder if you'll feel like them in three years.

 

1000

 

Why must you incessantly mock people who have a contrary opinion to how super duper awesome everything Apple does?

 

SL is by far the most stable of the OS X releases. There's a reason there's still a large percentage of people using it.


And for the record....I still use OS 9 (and 7.6.1 and 8.1 and 8.6) - you know the best releases from each era.
 


Edited by pondosinatra - 1/7/13 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by pondosinatra View Post
Why must you incessantly mock people who have a contrary opinion…

 

Because his opinion isn't based on anything in reality. When you form an opinion based on incorrect information, it's your fault, not anyone else's, when you're called out on it.

 

And for the record....I still use OS 9 (and 7.6.1 and 8.1 and 8.6) - you know the best releases from each era.

 

What reason could you have for actually using those? 


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I disagree. On some systems, there appears to be a memory leak in Safari which uses up all available RAM and eventually slows the system significantly. I would suggest quitting and relaunching Safari periodically (every couple of days is probably enough if you're an average user). Since you can set it to reopen your tabs, you don't lose your place.
It shouldn't happen, but it sometimes does.

That is an app issue, not something where ML is slow to unusual from the get go. Also note that his system(s) also isn't reporting serial number(s) which is why he can't use iCloud. This is a common with Mackintoshes but it's simple enough to generate a serial. Ever heard of a proper Mac not having a serial?

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I disagree. On some systems, there appears to be a memory leak in Safari which uses up all available RAM and eventually slows the system significantly. I would suggest quitting and relaunching Safari periodically (every couple of days is probably enough if you're an average user). Since you can set it to reopen your tabs, you don't lose your place.
It shouldn't happen, but it sometimes does.

 

I had this problem. Safari would use all available RAM and VM. I disabled the MS Office plugins (I'm not even sure what they were supposed to do) and the problem went away immediately.

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I had this problem. Safari would use all available RAM and VM. I disabled the MS Office plugins (I'm not even sure what they were supposed to do) and the problem went away immediately.

Just the plugins?  (rhetorical question)

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Apple's warranties are worldwide.  You should not have a problem servicing an Apple device bought overseas in the US.

Sorry, I forgot about this thread. You might want to go and read those Apple warranty documents again, not all Apple warranties are world wide.
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Sorry, I forgot about this thread. You might want to go and read those Apple warranty documents again, not all Apple warranties are world wide.

 

It's been a while since I read one, but I have read them in the past.   Care to elaborate for us?  Make appropriate quotes from applicable warranties?  Or point me in the right direction on what warranty you were referring to?

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It's been a while since I read one, but I have read them in the past.   Care to elaborate for us?  Make appropriate quotes from applicable warranties?  Or point me in the right direction on what warranty you were referring to?

I can't give you an exact quote from my particular Macs, as I have specified elsewhere they are out of warranty, and my iMac only had a European warranty (My Mac Mini, and MacBooks were world wide)

http://www.apple.com/legal/warranty/products/iphone-english-a.html

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