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It's really not the demand so high as it is the production is unusually low.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


That's your conclusion? You look at a cheap looking tray-loading optical drive and conclude that Apple's slot-loading option is a rip off?

 

Nope. If you take the comment in CONTEXT, as opposed to tearing down any statement into tiny little bite-size pieces that obviously don't hold up in isolation, you'll see that I was responding to TS's claim that $30 is the MAXIMUM one should expect to pay for an optical drive. His words, not mine.

 

So, either that was bullshit and there is a case to be made for the price range of $60-100 observed by the original poster, or Apple's device is priced outside the realm of reality. One can't have it both ways, it's one or the other.

 

I actually chose to pay the higher price for the Apple drive because it was easier to have it arrive with my computer than it was to go out and buy one separately and because it makes it impossible for Apple to use third-party hardware as an excuse when something doesn't work. That doesn't change the fact that the price is ridiculous, or that there is inconsistency on this forum regarding third-party upgrades and/or add-ons. On one hand people claim that the prices of Apple's extras are perfectly reasonable and justified, then, when the context suits, claim that cheap third-party substitutes are all one would ever need. Which is it?

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So we've gone from "Apple should include an optical drive" to "Apple charges too much for their optical drive." Let's remember that it's an option. You don't have to pay Apple's whopping $79 for one that matches your Apple equipment or has a warranty that is easy to use or potentially will last much longer if you are frequent user. What TS is correct. If you have some odd need where you need to pull it out once a year then there is little reason not to go with the cheapest option.

 

Stated that way an argument could be made for using a cheap device, but you have to admit that you and others here have not applied that same reasoning to other cases of me or others feeling that Apple charges too much for extras. Nor was there a "light use" case qualified in the post to which TS replied. If anything, refusing to buy a current iMac because it doesn't have an optical drive would tend to imply that it would be used quite often.

 

While I do still feel that Apple is opportunist and greedy in its approach to upgrade/add-on pricing, the point of my post wasn't so much that as to challenge TS's inconsistency on the subject. And even that wasn't intended so much as a cry of "Hypocrite!" as it was just "Oh come on, I don't believe you really mean that."

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

[...] But you're trying to read too much into his comment. It would have been better worded as "You can get one for as little as $30" but he was responding to a comment that was claiming that $60 was the bare minimum, which simply isn't the case, so his response could be read as him saying that the maximum they'd have to consider paying would be $30.

 

I'd accept that. That's not what he wrote, though, and after the way you beat the hell outta me for failing to completely qualify and defend what I intended as an innocuous, off-the-cuff remark, I expect you to hold TS to the same standard! :)

 

But seriously, I'm mostly just arguing for the fun of it. I get the point and actually agree with TS, even if I was the sucker who paid too much. I just wish we would all apply the same common sense when discussing Apple designs that eliminate those alternatives and offer ONLY premium-priced solutions.


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Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

If they are so hard to make then perhaps it would be better for Apple to design them to be easier to make and you know, less thin.  No one cares about the thinness of a desktop computer.

How about some useful things that the thinness doesn't allow, like:

1) SD slot where is it accessible, like on the side?
2) An accessible USB3 slot on the side for temporary media or an external DVD/Bluray drive as they so happily removed it from the device.
3) A VESA mount on the back for those that need it.
4) User accessible hard drive slot, along with the RAM access, afterall, hard drives do fail....

Everybody cares about the thinness of a desktop computer, they just don't know it. 

The effect of seeing all that computer power happening behind a ridiculously beautiful piece of glass held up by a 5mm thin frame of aluminum is processed by your unconscious as amazing, whether you know it or not. Your logic is just getting in the way, same for others who don't get it. Many more will find themselves saying "I want this" without knowing why.

Ive designs things and he (and Mansfield etc.?) takes tremendous production risks, like the friction-stir welding, new kinds of screen lamination, and USA assembly, to move us emotionally, without our knowing it.. In another context, he said, "I think subconsciously people are remarkably discerning. I think they can sense care." 

He might have said they can also sense a lot of other kinds of artfulness that the thin iMac represents, like lightness, grace, minimalism, Zen design—stuff too embarrassing for the designer to mention directly.The weight savings is also a very big deal. Whether you know it or not, whether you pick it up or not, your tactile senses are evaluating the thing sitting on the table or desk as either friendly or unfriendly, depending on its mass.

Then there's paxman's point about getting the structure so diappeared that the screen can lie flat. Lenovo just announced a huge touchscreen panel as a multiplayer gaming table at CES.
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Is it so hard to put the iMac internals into a cube whose side is the size of a MacMini?

Perhaps their decisions for no Mac cube are considerations other than difficultly. Let's remember that the last time they made such a device it was a market flop.
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It would be nice looking, small, easy to produce, and provide far better cooling than the iMac. This odd special producing method for the ultra-thin new design is quite absurd, specially if you consider the new iMacs are quite thick in their center...

Allen's Rule dictates that an object with less surface area in comparison to its internal volume will retain heat better than an object with more surface area in comparison to it's internal volume.[/QUOTE]

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if at least all the iMac was ultra-thin, there would be a reason for this special technique.

The curve of the metal backing adds structural rigidity than it simply being a simple flat panel. Plus, you need a space for all the internals. There is a 3.5" HDD in the back of the 27" iMac. There is no way to get that (or most other components) in a total thickness of 5mm. They don't have a license for TARDIS technology... yet.
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I actually chose to pay the higher price for the Apple drive because it was easier to have it arrive with my computer than it was to go out and buy one separately and because it makes it impossible for Apple to use third-party hardware as an excuse when something doesn't work. That doesn't change the fact that the price is ridiculous, or that there is inconsistency on this forum regarding third-party upgrades and/or add-ons. On one hand people claim that the prices of Apple's extras are perfectly reasonable and justified, then, when the context suits, claim that cheap third-party substitutes are all one would ever need. Which is it?

So you bought something from Apple for convenience and reliability of the service agreement and now you are complaining about the very thing you took of advantage of from buying from Apple. W T F?!?! You could have bought from Newegg or Wal-Mart whomever you wish. It's not likely you needed that ODD as soon as you got your Mac.

The answer is simple. If you don't see a value in what a company then you don't buy it. You are making this out to sound as if you were forced to buy their SuperDrive when you clearly choose to by your own free will.

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I'd accept that. That's not what he wrote...

Let me quote someone here. "...take the comment in CONTEXT, as opposed to tearing down any statement into tiny little bite-size pieces that obviously don't hold up in isolation..."

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post #47 of 101
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Sure there are benefits. You're only looking at common benefits for the user. Think of benefits from Apple's perspective. It's much lighter and has a smaller volume box. This saves plenty on shipping and allows for more to be shipped. It uses less material which saves on aluminium costs.
With the box considerably lighter than before it's easier for more customers to setup the machine. It's possible that the nearly 50% reduction in weight could be the difference as to whether a sale can be made. For all we know Apple Store employees have reported people buying the 21.5" (or no iMac) because they couldn't set it up themselves due to the weight.

And some of us DO buy on green issues - less materials, less shipping packaging, less fossil fuels used to get them to America = I'm happier about purchasing

post #48 of 101
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Everybody cares about the thinness of a desktop computer, they just don't know it. 
The effect of seeing all that computer power happening behind a ridiculously beautiful piece of glass held up by a 5mm thin frame of aluminum is processed by your unconscious as amazing, whether you know it or not. Your logic is just getting in the way, same for others who don't get it. Many more will find themselves saying "I want this" without knowing why.
Ive designs things and he (and Mansfield etc.?) takes tremendous production risks, like the friction-stir welding, new kinds of screen lamination, and USA assembly, to move us emotionally, without our knowing it.. In another context, he said, "I think subconsciously people are remarkably discerning. I think they can sense care." 
He might have said they can also sense a lot of other kinds of artfulness that the thin iMac represents, like lightness, grace, minimalism, Zen design—stuff too embarrassing for the designer to mention directly.The weight savings is also a very big deal. Whether you know it or not, whether you pick it up or not, your tactile senses are evaluating the thing sitting on the table or desk as either friendly or unfriendly, depending on its mass.
Then there's paxman's point about getting the structure so diappeared that the screen can lie flat. Lenovo just announced a huge touchscreen panel as a multiplayer gaming table at CES.

There is a reason why one of these are doing very well in the market and the other isn't. Can you spot the difference? 1tongue.gif

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post #49 of 101
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I guess... But it seems like a lot of extra work for little reward. But why can't the new iMac be hung if one uses a specialized bracket like that. It's hardly flush against the wall.
I keep my iMac about 8" above my desk with a Humanscale arm. That arm was the whole reason I ditched the laptop and went iMac; it placed the computer at a useable height for me; the factory stand is just too short. I would be quite surprised if the VESA mount adapter doesn't work anymore, but anything is possible.

Incidentally, the reduced weight of the new model makes it much easier to use with an arm. The old unit weight was right at the threshold for being able to be supported with a full-motion arm.
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And some of us DO buy on green issues - less materials, less shipping packaging, less fossil fuels used to get them to America = I'm happier about purchasing

Good point. I had completely forgot about that.

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post #51 of 101
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Originally Posted by digitalclips 
Today a client just asked something I haven't heard for several years ... "Could you put all those pictures on a CD disk for me to watch on TV?".

I was stopped in my tracks ... I put HD on YouTube for people all the time and I did used to make DVDs in the pre HD days. I never went Blu-ray as I found internet delivery was great ... I realized this person wouldn't even understand the difference between SD and HD or that their TV being a 60" wide screen would not exactly make CD look good lol. What to do ???

They probably just meant to make a photo CD:

http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_5970481_make-cd-plays-dvd-player.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSyN9SCQ2I

You'd just dump some JPEGs onto a CD with an ISO9660 filesystem. You can make an ISO image with hdiutil or use something like Toast. The player should be able to load them at full display resolution. Maybe use a CDRW to check it works so you don't waste discs.
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Originally Posted by cmvsm 
That savings is not passed to the consumer, but to the bottom line, as the consumer must go out and buy one in addition, as a $60-$100 add on.

Either the bottom line or the display tech. Given that they didn't bundle an SSD nor a higher resolution panel and just bumped the RAM up 4GB, it really should have been the same price in the worst case.

To put the price up $100 and have this supply problem is not going to do the iMac any favours at all. The executive shakeup might have had something to do with this too.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse 
That's why I feel this isn't really analogous to eliminating the floppy drive -- the circumstances just aren't the same -- and Apple pulled the trigger on it, for desktops, at least, a few years too early.

You just have to look at modern game distribution. It's all going online now - Origin, Steam, UPlay, GoG, Direct2Drive/Gamefly, the Mac App Store, Windows 8 Store. Modern game downloads are around 10GB and you get the odd one here and there that is 20GB+. Hitman Absolution is about 24GB I think, Max Payne 3 is 30GB. They take a while to download but a decent connection will do it in 6-8 hours or less.

The hardware is becoming less important so companies need to control the content distribution - the main reason being product resale. This really affected PC gaming because it was so easy to buy a disc, copy it and sell it on. Think of any game store selling used games, if they sell a game 4 times in its lifetime, the developer is making 1/4 the profits they want to.

Apple has paid $6.5b to developers on the App Store - that gives them $2.8b reasons for taking out the optical drive. Although the Mac App Store has 1/4 the audience of iOS devices, the prices are much higher so the money will still be in the hundreds of millions.
post #52 of 101
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Then there's paxman's point about getting the structure so diappeared that the screen can lie flat.

 

Except that it can't lie flat because it's a bowl. That's why some argue that a better design might be to make a machine that's a consistent depth all the way across rather than thin at the edges and fat in the middle. This would then have the spin-off benefit of creating an edge space for ports on the side where they're easier to get at rather than on the back where they're less visible but also less accessible, and would actually impede laying it flat.

 

Of course, since the current version is NOT a touch-capable device all of that is irrelevant at the moment. Perhaps if/when they are, the design will change.

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Originally Posted by jmgregory1 View Post

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Just the fact that Apple stores have, maybe, one or two of the new iMacs on display tells me they haven't gotten their supply chain issues resolved yet.  

Not at all. Their stores are in holiday mode and during that time they never have more than one of each base model iMac on display in all but the biggest stores. The iMac table is used for their 'express zone' as it generally has a cash drawer built into it. They move those demos to the wall and remove the Mac mini, Mac Pro and displays. It's been that way for years

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post #54 of 101
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Except that it can't lie flat because it's a bowl. That's why some argue that a better design might be to make a machine that's a consistent depth all the way across rather than thin at the edges and fat in the middle. This would then have the spin-off benefit of creating an edge space for ports on the side where they're easier to get at rather than on the back where they're less visible but also less accessible, and would actually impede laying it flat.

1) If the sole reason for making it worse is so someone can have it exactly flat against a wall then I say that is a poor reason.

2) If one really wants that they can make a back casing for it that makes it flush and routes the ports to the side, bottom, front, or where ever.

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1) SD slot where is it accessible, like on the side?
2) An accessible USB3 slot on the side for temporary media or an external DVD/Bluray drive as they so happily removed it from the device.
3) A VESA mount on the back for those that need it.
4) User accessible hard drive slot, along with the RAM access, afterall, hard drives do fail....

The position of the ports actually works reasonably well blind from the front. It could be better, but you don't necessarily have to look to plug things in-- it is about a finger length up from the bottom edge.

After checking on the VESA adapter... my mind is blown. I have no idea why they would give up that feature. It might only be important for 5% of purchasers, but those people could well be pushed away from Apple.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

I guess... But it seems like a lot of extra work for little reward. But why can't the new iMac be hung if one uses a specialized bracket like that. It's hardly flush against the wall.

It gets worse - I can see a day when tablets get bigger and laptops disappear.

Wall sized displays. Google Glasses and who needs a keyboard when you have

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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

So, either that was bullshit and there is a case to be made for the price range of $60-100 observed by the original poster, or Apple's device is priced outside the realm of reality. One can't have it both ways, it's one or the other.

 

No, it's more "if you're going to be whining about an optical drive at this stage, all you could really care about is getting the cheapest possible option, so instead of blowing things out of proportion by claiming that not only are you FORCED at gunpoint to buy an optical drive separately when you buy an iMac, you are also forced to spend an inordinate or inexcusable amount of money on Apple's drive, why not buy whatever el-cheapo crap you want since, yes, apparently even though you care only about cost, you're still complaining about the high price of one of a thousand options of optical drive, even though you don't understand what that drive represents" than anything else.


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It's so bad!

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great idea!... all tv sets (at least the new ones) have usb ports, and if they dont the playstation3/xbox does!

Given that this was someone that said CD for all we know they are still rocking a CRT and a Betamax, not likely to have a new TV etc

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It's so bad!


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Except that it can't lie flat because it's a bowl. That's why some argue that a better design might be to make a machine that's a consistent depth all the way across rather than thin at the edges and fat in the middle. This would then have the spin-off benefit of creating an edge space for ports on the side where they're easier to get at rather than on the back where they're less visible but also less accessible, and would actually impede laying it flat.

 

Of course, since the current version is NOT a touch-capable device all of that is irrelevant at the moment. Perhaps if/when they are, the design will change.

The reason why it is so thin at the edges is about perception. The machine looks impossibly light and by so doing it becomes more approachable and less imposing. Apple might use the word 'magical'. If the machine ever becomes a 'lay down flat' touch device I am sure it won't be entirely flat, nor able to lie perfectly flat. But I am sure that by the time this happens it will have lost more of the bowl bulge. As for hanging it on the wall - I am sure that doesn't even enter the equation. 

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

So you bought something from Apple for convenience and reliability of the service agreement...

 

That's not what I said. I said I bought from Apple for the convenience and so that they couldn't use a tired old excuse for avoiding tech support issues. In the past they have refused to help because one of the devices involved in the process wasn't theirs. I paid extra to close that loophole. I *DO* believe that it was overpriced, but don't believe I had a choice. Well, okay, I had a choice between paying an exorbitant price for an optical drive or giving up any hope of support for optical read/write issues.

 

 


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[...] It's not likely you needed that ODD as soon as you got your Mac.

 

Wrong again. That particular machine was purchased for the sole purpose of ingesting from and spitting out to optical media. That's all it does. I would have VERY much preferred a machine with a built-in ODD just for convenience, but since Apple no longer offered them in the Mini I couldn't. Since the primary function of the machine is optical disc input/output, I sure as hell wasn't going to let Apple refuse to honor the AppleCare agreement just because the optical drive came from a third party.

 

 

 


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Let me quote someone here. "...take the comment in CONTEXT, as opposed to tearing down any statement into tiny little bite-size pieces that obviously don't hold up in isolation..."

 

I did. His implication, taken in context, was NOT what you said, nor was there anything in the context of the thread to imply that he meant what you think it should mean.

 

Perhaps you should click the button that will prevent my posts from showing up in your feed...

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Great idea! Next .. put what on the thumb drive? lol Anyone that technologically backward has to running XP! 1frown.gif So how do I explain they watch the content of said thumb drive on their 60" TV in HD?
I have decided to take my iPad and an Apple TV and an AE plus an HDMI cable to their house and show them the 21st Century and see what happens 1wink.gif


Awesome! Technology marches on:

 

2005 : $69 DVD player + $0.50 burned CD with jpegs on it played pictures on everyone's TVs

 

2013 : $500 tablet, $99 Apple TV, $99 Airport Extreme  =  plays pictures on TV

 

Why didn't you just burn an ISO 9660 CD/DVD with jpegs in a folder. Most any dvd player would/could play a slideshow of the files.

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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

That particular machine was purchased for the sole purpose of ingesting from and spitting out to optical media. That's all it does.

 

So now you'll buy computers from someone other than Apple. Sounds like a simple answer.

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Wall sized displays. Google Glasses and who needs a keyboard when you have
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.

 

Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.

 

Seems like the most appropriate use therefor.

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Performance wise I agree. I, however, think Apple made a few questionable design decisions here. Unlike a notebook, tablet, or phone, a desktop doesn't benefit from being horribly thin. The last iMac design was fine. There has been some stories popping up how this new Mac doesn't allow for some things like being wall mounted, which was possible with previous models. 

You want to hang your iMac on the wall? Really? It's work of art for sure, but I can't really see a reason to hang it on the wall. It looks prettier standing on a desk or table. Even the old version - the ports were on the back, including the power chord. 

 

A desktop benefits from being thin because it makes it more beautiful and everything benefits from being more beautiful. I can't really see where they can go from here. (I am actually beginning to think we are moving towards an iMac that can be pivoted down to horizontal position with a touch screen. - Yes, TS, I'm beginning to lean your way - If that is where the iMac is going then thin is definitely better)

 

Have a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

 

And the article:

 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/

 

 

IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...

 

At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction...  More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".


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Except that it can't lie flat because it's a bowl. That's why some argue that a better design might be to make a machine that's a consistent depth all the way across rather than thin at the edges and fat in the middle. This would then have the spin-off benefit of creating an edge space for ports on the side where they're easier to get at rather than on the back where they're less visible but also less accessible, and would actually impede laying it flat.

Of course, since the current version is NOT a touch-capable device all of that is irrelevant at the moment. Perhaps if/when they are, the design will change.

The lie-flat case is in the future, as well as the hang-on-the-wall case. It's just that we can see the trend now, where we couldn't with the previous inch-thick iMacs. The bulge may disappear when the HDD goes away.

paxman's point about perception is the key, and perception of mass is all about the view from the side.

The slots on the side for cards and discs are gone for good. Less is better, I guess.
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Have a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

The way to embed the video is to remove the extraneous &feature= content in the URL.

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I've got a hand gesture for these "innovators" that want to make computing as foolish as sic-fi movies.

 

Were I a gesture interface creator, I'd build that directly into control of the OS so that whenever the user did it, the application currently in focus would restart.

 

Seems like the most appropriate use therefor.

 

Ha!

 

Last night we had a nice rack of lamb dinner to celebrate the return of my 16-year-old granddaughter from a church retreat.

 

My youngest grandson asked why the lamb "chops"  had a "handle" of exposed bone and no meat -- kind of like a lollipop.

 

I explained that the thin layer of meat and fat was cut/scraped away from that portion of the bone because the meat was very thin there -- and would only burn, anyway...

 

I mentioned that the technique was called "Frenching"...

 

 

My granddaughter jumped in and said "I thought Frenching was:"  and made a series of gestures with her face, lips, tongue and mouth -- that resembled someone French-Kissing the air...

 

Everyone at the table lost it....  One of the funniest things I've ever seen!

 

I decided not to mention the "pants/panties" they sometimes put on rack of lamb.


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Have a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

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Thanks for the tip...  these computer thingies are really confusing, sometimes...

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Have a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

 

And the article:

 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/

 

 

IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...

 

At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction...  More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".

Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.

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Then you have the aesthetics of the device. This is a beautiful machine. I could buy the old style 27" iMac to save money right now but I want this new one. I think my decision has a lot to do with it's look (and because I couldn't find a 2011 iMac with the SSD+HDD on Apple's refurb site.)


Did you already order your 27"?  I know you were wanting to take the plunge and get a desktop rig.  If not, what are you waiting for?

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Have a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

 

And the article:

 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/01/lenovos-new-coffee-table-computer-one-big-gigantic-ipad/60650/

 

 

IMO, there are some real possibilities for a larger tablet / desktop hybrid...

 

At today's state of the art, I don't think that "mobile" is the correct way to go -- though thin and light are moves in the right direction...  More like "semi-stationary" than "mobile", for now".

Wow! That's pretty impressive. I am not sure about such a large screen being used like that. It is just looks too heavy and clunky. Also it would need to be very strong to withstand being stepped on and being spilled coffee on. The moment in the video that seeds doubt is when you see the woman carry the thing. Having said that it offers a real glimpse into a possible future. I think a large (27") kneelable all in one touch device can be a usefull both at home and professionally. A 'splitable' tablet/laptop also. But the Lenovo tries to do everything, too early for commercial success. But it is not a commercial product, right? It's exciting.

 

 

According to the article link, it is a commercial product:

 

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We've been anticipating the dawn of the tabletop PC since 2008, when Microsoft unveiled a 30-inch machine called the Surface -- not to be confused with the recently released Surface tablet. Like the Horizon, it featured an interface straight out of Minority Report and made us wonder just what we could do with a giant horizontal screen. But since each Microsoft Surface machine cost tens of thousands of dollars, not many people were able to take them home and experiment. Features aside, the Horizon stands out for its relatively reasonable price starting at $1,699, the price of about three iPads.

 
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Waiting for a new Mac Pro myself with high powered GPU. Anorexic and unupgradeable is not for me. A heat gun to get inside? Give me a break. Is this the new direction at Apple. (User since the Apple II).

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Have a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.

 

Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it! :) That's just about the perfect size for a console-equivalent controller.

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To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell. Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days
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Sure, but the point is the appeal or a simpler machine. Dell et al. could have gone down this route in 2006 or before but they had their focus elsewhere. As for less cables, there are less cables but still a lot. You still see PCs with separate displays with a separate cable setup, separate webcams that you attach like it was an afterthought.
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The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.

[...]

This is a example however I believe this person got a really bad one.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4559479?start=0&tstart=0

That's a legitimate complaint. I would expect to see that on the 21.5" iMac more than the 27" iMacs just from the larger model having a more stringent QC process since, I assume, those are more likely used for professional work that require a quality display.

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To be fair I think they used 10' cords on everything they hooked up to that Dell.

 

Standard cords that shipped with each item.


Also I believe that picture was taken in 2006, it's safe to say most of that stuff is wireless these days.


The keyboard and mouse, sure! Not the webcam, monitor, IR port, or speakers (though there's probably one of those stupid nub-dongles you plug into a USB port for those).

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Have a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59VqSUPM2Y&feature=player_detailpage

 

 

WICKED cool! I'm impressed by both the UI design and the ability to integrate physical objects.

 

Now, gimme that with Mac OSX and an app for controlling Pro Tools and I will sell my car to have it! :) That's just about the perfect size for a console-equivalent controller.

 

Yeah...  It appears that the physical objects have an unique fingerprint that is recognizable by the software.... I could see that being a puck on a CAD or drafting system.

 

I would buy that instantly if you could run Final Cut Pro X on it -- there are some things you can do better by getting your "hands dirty" -- rather than through the indirection of a mouse and keyboard.  I also like the ability to work standing or sitting as your mood/need arises.

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[...] The issue I have with the new iMacs is the screen. I would say the yellow issue is as bad if not worse than previous models. From what I have read it appears Apple is still using the "luck of the draw" LG panels. You can't see it unless you have a full white screen open but honestly it's pretty bad along with light bleed around the edges.

 

So is this a recognized "issue" that Apple is working to correct or that's just the way it is, either live with it or don't buy it?

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Did you already order your 27"?  I know you were wanting to take the plunge and get a desktop rig.  If not, what are you waiting for?

Not yet. I haven't bought because I didn't want to buy it and then wait a month for it. The only thing I really care about is it being 27" and having a 3TB Fusion Drive. The GPU, CPU, and RAM I don't care so much about, although I would prefer to have the best CPU and GPU and lowest amount of RAM.

in December is simply said it ships in January. Now it says 3-4 weeks. I'll check my local Apple Store this week to see if they have the 3TB Fusion Drive option (last time they only had the 1TB FD option). If not, I'll probably put in my order before the week's out.

I bought a desk and desk chair in anticipation of the new iMac back in October or November, before they were even announced.

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So is this a recognized "issue" that Apple is working to correct or that's just the way it is, either live with it or don't buy it?

WTF? Why would you even suggest your only two options are to live it with or to have not bought it all? This CE we're talking about. There is a chance that anything you buy will have some fault with it at some point, sometimes right from the factory. There doesn't have to be some recognized issue or class action lawsuit or whatever -gate one wants to scream about to get a product fixed or replaced.

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