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Mozilla Firefox officially gained support for Apple's Retina displays on Tuesday with the release of version 18 of the popular Web browser.

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Firefox 18 is now available for download from Mozilla. It is compatible with OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard or later, and requires at least 512 megabytes of RAM and 200 megabytes of hard drive space.

For Macs running OS X 10.7 Lion or OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, the latest version of Firefox adds support for the high-resolution Retina displays found in Apple's latest 13- and 15-inch MacBook Pros. A beta version of Firefox with support for Retina displays had been in testing since November.

Other new features in Firefox 18 include faster JavaScript performance via the IonMonkey compiler, and preliminary support for WebRTC. The browser also offers better image quality with a new HTML scaling algorithm, while performance related to tab switching has been improved.

The addition of Retina display support in Firefox comes more than five months after Google's Chrome browser gained support for Apple's high-resolution Mac screens.

Apple's first Retina-quality Mac launched in June in the form of the next-generation 15-inch MacBook Pro. The company then followed up in October with a 13-inch variant.

Though Apple has been shipping Retina Macs since June, it's taken time for a number of high-profile OS X applications still to add compatibility with the high-resolution displays. Microsoft added Retina display support to Office 2011 < ahref="http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/19/microsoft_adds_retina_display_support_to_office_for_mac_2011">in September, while Adobe's Photoshop and Illustrator received Retina upgrades in December.

Software that is not upgraded with Retina display support can look blurry and poor on the pixel-packing screens, particularly when displaying text. With Firefox now compatible, other remaining holdouts include Spotify and Valve's Steam, both of which continue to have noticeable low-resolution elements.
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They still need to hook into the smooth pinch to zoom/ unzoom and the double tap to smart zoom that apple uses for Safari. That's one of the main reasons why I quit using firefox after 9 years or so

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That took long enough. Also, 18?

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That took long enough. Also, 18?


Yeah they come out with one every month or so now in an effort to compete with chrome 1rolleyes.gif

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I haven't used Firefox since 2006. It's a vestige from the days when you really didn't want to run IE on a PC. And I think people still don't.

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I still laugh at Google getting Firefox not to adopt H.264 just so Chrome could use that advantage to expand their holding in the browser market. I can't imagine Firefox will ever be more than a niche browser moving forward. Mozilla has even put the 64-bit Windows version on hold to work the 32-bit version of Firefox.

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I haven't used Firefox since 2006. It's a vestige from the days when you really didn't want to run IE on a PC. And I think people still don't.

 

I still use Firefox on my Windows partition.  IE is archaic, Safari is end-of-life (never was great on Windows), and I don't want Google tracking everything I do in Chrome.  But it's mostly pointless on Mac OS X now that Safari has become a solid browser.

 
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just tried it out on my rMBP 15" Prefer Safari in terms of the scrolling smoothness.

On a separate note been using the Webkit nightly builds and things have certainly improved.

 

Like many used Fire Fox in my Windows days instead of IE and for a while instead of Safari in the early days.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
I still laugh at Google getting Firefox not to adopt H.264 just so Chrome could use that advantage to expand their holding in the browser market. I can't imagine Firefox will ever be more than a niche browser moving forward. Mozilla has even put the 64-bit Windows version on hold to work the 32-bit version of Firefox.

 

As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

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As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

 

Most Windows users I've talked to feel the same way about Safari as they do about Quicktime: it just feels out of place and there are better alternatives.  Similar to Microsoft's offerings on Mac OS X.

 
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As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

 

Same here.  I have to use IE for work applications, but while I'm goofing off (like at this moment) I prefer to use another browser.  Safari for Windows would be my first option but it isn't available. 

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Originally Posted by auxio View Post
Most Windows users I've talked to feel the same way about Safari as they do about Quicktime: it just feels out of place and there are better alternatives.  

 

Better?! What?

 

That seems ambiguous. The 'what' is asking for betters, not confusion at what you're saying.

 

Don't say Chrome. lol.gif

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Agreed! - and i really hate there numbering of versions! - i mean firefox 18?  when will support for mobile-retina-igzo-oled support come in version 109? /s

 

but yeah - firefox... 

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About time, Firefox. I'm amazed you couldn't do this before Adobe, one of the legendarily final holdouts of Cocoa-ifying; they were somehow able to jam retina into their eons of legacy code and non-standard interface elements.

Not that I was holding my breath. Firefox never did seem quite as native to OS X, especially with that download dialog box.

 

I would assume that maintaining Safari for Windows required disproportionate effort, similar to the work required to make modern sites render properly on IE8 and below. WinSafari can't take advantage of any OS X APIs, like Core Animation, Core Text, or the multithreaded kernel (Windows is more optimized for multiple processes). But WinChrome uses webkit, so it's all good in the hood.

 

Safari's smart zoom debuted on iOS, so it is most certainly patented.

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Better?! What?

 

That seems ambiguous. The 'what' is asking for betters, not confusion at what you're saying.

 

Don't say Chrome. lol.gif

 

If you don't care about Google tracking you (which, again, most Windows users I've spoken with really don't care about), then yeah, Chrome.  Or Firefox if you do care (even though it's a bit slower, it's still a good browser on Windows).

 

As much as we all love Apple for the full experience top-to-bottom, sorry, but their Windows software just doesn't feel right.  Mainly because they are trying to shoehorn the Mac look and feel onto Windows (and the experience will never be as good as it is on Mac OS X).

 
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Originally Posted by auxio View Post
If you don't care about Google tracking you (which, again, most Windows users I've spoken with really don't care about), then yeah, Chrome.

 

It's the same engine, only older and worse. And you sell your soul to get it. So better?


As much as we all love Apple for the full experience top-to-bottom, sorry, but their Windows software just doesn't feel right.  Mainly because they are trying to shoehorn the Mac look and feel onto Windows (and the experience will never be as good as it is on Mac OS X).

 

"Giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell."

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Better?! What?

 

That seems ambiguous. The 'what' is asking for betters, not confusion at what you're saying.

 

Don't say Chrome. lol.gif

I don't know what your problems is, but Safari for windows was always a POS. Chrome and Firefox are much faster at everything and the UI felt familiar to windows (even if it was bad, it felt like it belonged there).

 

Obviously safari for mac provides the best browsing experience one can get on a desktop, and only someone stupid (or someone that is "trapped" on Google's ecosystem (someone stupid is enough, right?)) would use another browser RIGHT NOW. 6 is the fastest, has better features (gestures without lag, share options, etc.) and just looks better.

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It's the same engine, only older and worse. And you sell your soul to get it. So better?

 

"Giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell."

 

On Windows, the Apple experience is mostly just a "skin".  And one which native Windows users don't seem to care for (likely because they aren't accustomed to it).  You need top-to-bottom integration to get the real Apple experience.

 

So in that way, Chrome is better because it tries to fit into the Windows experience.  It also feels faster -- likely because it doesn't have to emulate all of the Mac GUI stuff like Safari does (I've seen CoreFoundation.dll, Foundation.dll, etc -- it's a port of Mac stuff to Windows).

 

 Sure, Mac users don't want that experience, but Windows users do (no matter what Steve Jobs believed).

 
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As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

 

 

I agree. Admittedly, Safari wasn't great on Windows, but why didn't Apple invest to make it great? The interface on Windows needed some tweaking to make it feel more at home there. On the Mac, Safari is wonderful. I wish I could elected to put the tabs on top, but other than that it has evolved to be a very nice tool. With that said, if I couldn't use Safari, I would go with Firefox as it has come a long way and does somethings better than Safari (e.g. password management). Chrome is sleek and feels about as fast as Safari, but it calls home like every five minutes. Safari and Firefox call home maybe once a week to check for an update. 

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As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

When they launched it there was no WebKit presence in Windows. I think web developers needed something that could show how webkit would look if you are doung Windows devolopment.

They were also moving the iTunes Store in iTunes to be WebKit based instead of Java based, if I remember correctly.

Now that Chrome is available and every mobile device that wants to compete has adopted Apple's web engine there really is no reason for the effort.
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I still use Firefox on my Windows partition.  IE is archaic, Safari is end-of-life (never was great on Windows), and I don't want Google tracking everything I do in Chrome.  But it's mostly pointless on Mac OS X now that Safari has become a solid browser.

Forgive my lack of understanding but what and how exactly does google track your browsing behaviour? I have turned off search history and use ghostery which often blocks google analytics on a page. How much further down the rabbit hole does this insanity go?
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Forgive my lack of understanding but what and how exactly does google track your browsing behaviour? I have turned off search history and use ghostery which often blocks google analytics on a page. How much further down the rabbit hole does this insanity go?

 

As TBell mentioned earlier, Chrome seems to call home every 5 minutes.  And, as everyone knows, Google makes it's money off advertising and analytics, so anything they're giving away for free likely has some way to harvest data and/or stream advertisements to you.  I'm not sure exactly what data Chrome is sending when it calls home, but I don't really want to have to jump through hoops to find out and/or try to stop it.

 
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The only browser that puts you first? It's nearly as bad as Chrome for stability and memory consumption.

 

On Linux it's an absolutely turd for freeing memory, just like Chrome. I'll put the blame on Linux's memory model.
 

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"Giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell."

 

The funniest part of that quote is that Jobs was talking about iTunes, which is pretty much the crappiest piece of software you can run on a Windows PC.

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The funniest part of that quote is that Jobs was talking about iTunes, which is pretty much the crappiest piece of software you can run on a Windows PC.

besides windows itself. And IE. and recent games with the "must be online" shit. and office, that bloated piece of shit. Adobe, too. I'm I missing something?

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besides windows itself. And IE. and recent games with the "must be online" shit. and office, that bloated piece of shit. Adobe, too. I'm I missing something?

 



Not sure how long before you used office, but currently it is pretty good (2010). Not much bloat, pretty snappy, etc.

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As much a niche as I agree Firefox will be, I am just freaking dumbfounded that Apple has stopped Safari for Windows. I don't get it.

 

This has me very disappointed. I like how Safari for Windows renders fonts.

 

Firefox at version 18 is also ridiculous. Every couple of months they go to a major version upgrade. They really need to sit down and rethink that strategy.

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Firefox is the best browser since it has the best support for tagging bookmarks.
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Firefox is the best browser since it has the best support for tagging bookmarks.

 

I had to look up what that was… How's it different from setting a name with tags, like in Safari? Just because it's a separate field?

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Now if websites can get on the ball and update images for retina displays then it would be good...
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Originally Posted by bigmike View Post
Now if websites can get on the ball and update images for retina displays then it would be good...

 

Like they're ever going to do that… If all PCs on the planet were ISOTed away instantaneously and replaced with Macs to the same ratio as the existing Mac population, you'd get retina images on websites in another ten years. Bunch of lazy bums. 

 

I mean, some places don't even have their own little URL icons yet! That's why we need one browser. One web. One feature-set.

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Don't say Chrome. lol.gif

 

Why not? I started using it on an old (plastic) Macbook and I was pleasantly surprised to see how much faster it is compared to Safari and Firefox. It gave new breath to this old machine.

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If you don't care about Google tracking you (which, again, most Windows users I've spoken with really don't care about), then yeah, Chrome.

What tracking are you talking about?

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Like they're ever going to do that… If all PCs on the planet were ISOTed away instantaneously and replaced with Macs to the same ratio as the existing Mac population, you'd get retina images on websites in another ten years. Bunch of lazy bums. 

I mean, some places don't even have their own little URL icons yet! That's why we need one browser. One web. One feature-set.

 

Having one browser/web/feature set would halt organic growth and competitive development of all web technologies, from backends to browsers. The last time we had something resembling the One-BWFS was during IE dominance, and we're still undoing the damage from that stagnant standards-free period.

 

If your gripe boils down to the current state of browser-specific CSS tags, remember that those are for currently developing standards.

 

Sites have the freedom to choose what they develop, with retina support being just one of many items on the table. Having One-BWFS won't prod them any faster.

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Originally Posted by Vorsos View Post
Having one browser/web/feature set would halt organic growth and competitive development of all web technologies, from backends to browsers.

 

But why?

 

IE dominance, and we're still undoing the damage from that stagnant standards-free… 

 

Yeah, that was the problem. But it's not the case anymore. Whereas now you'll have Chrome forcing Firefox not to adopt MP4, and then also creating its own magical format that no one wants to use: WebM. 

 

With one browser, you just… adopt standards. Period. Everything adoptable is in one place, and website creators can implement it at their leisure (better do it before your competitors), whereas now they drag their frigging feet because "not all browsers support this awesome new thing", so they don't want to inconvenience the 0.3% on such and such browser.

 

Sites have the freedom to choose what they develop…

 

Including ignoring standards. 

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If one company maintains The One Browser, and they decide on a magical-yet-inferior something or other, web devs and consumers have nowhere else to go. And which company can we trust to maintain this? Which browser currently pleases everyone, and is guaranteed to always work towards the moving target of 100% standards compliance?

 

In the long run, it's always better to have options. Non-competitive product categories rarely improve. The browser market may be chaotic in some areas, but is mostly moving towards the same goal set by the W3C, and continued cross-collaboration is vital. Every browser has come up with some new advancement that was eventually added to W3C standards.

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Originally Posted by Vorsos View Post
If one company maintains The One Browser, and they decide on a magical-yet-inferior something or other, web devs and consumers have nowhere else to go. And which company can we trust to maintain this? Which browser currently pleases everyone, and is guaranteed to always work towards the moving target of 100% standards compliance?

 

In the long run, it's always better to have options. Non-competitive product categories rarely improve. The browser market may be chaotic in some areas, but is mostly moving towards the same goal set by the W3C, and continued cross-collaboration is vital. Every browser has come up with some new advancement that was eventually added to W3C standards.

 

Oh, it certainly wouldn't be one company; it'd be a consortium. Companies from across the industry would submit their ideas for addition to the standard, jus tike now.

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