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The only thing worse than a boy who cries "wolf!" is a boy who cries "wolf!" sometimes.

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I'll go to the end of absurd and call it, ``TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM.''

Believe it or not, this may be possible within 50 years.
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post #43 of 88
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For some strange reason you make a good point, Mr. Rodiguez

edit: there are iPhone nano mockups everywhere




Where did you find that mockup?
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The idea of a see-through plastic back is so weird that it has the ring of plausibility about it. Did they say colors this time too?

It would allow the use of plastic for the back without saying "cheap."

Too bad DigiTimes spilled the beans on this one. They'll be working overtime at Samsung's plastic case division.

This is why Apple would source the plastic from a trusted U.S. supplier: better secrecy.

See through colored plastic is so 1999 for Apple though.

Colored aluminum would be "cool" and classier.

But oh well, we'll see what happens...
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For this to make sense, at least to me, the introduction of this cheaper iPhone should happen this summer, alongside the introduction of the iPhone 5S. And furthermore, the introduction will introduce a new iPhone strategy for Apple whereby as they bring out their new high end model each year they drop all older models of the iPhone completely and have the cheaper iPhone available alongside it.

So at any one time you've got the 1 latest and greatest in a few storage sizes, and one latest and cheapest in one small size. This would simplify the product lineup for people, in my mind. Do you want the 5S or the cheaper model? If you want the cheaper model, here you go, it's an 8GB phone made using clear plastic so you don't even need to choose a colour. If you want the 5S you can choose from black and white and 16-64 GB. Do you want to spend as little money on an iPhone as possible and yet still get a new iPhone? Or do you want the latest and greatest?

That's probably what we'll see.

As far as release dates Apple may spread them so that iPhone sales don't have the typical mid year drop off.

I could see the iPhone Mini launched in the spring/summer in time for back to school season and the main iPhone remains the fall/winter release in time for Christmas shopping.
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Can a prepaid phone offer apple leverage at the point of sale to undo the bias salesmen have for pushing the crap phones over iPhone?
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Phil didn't say no, he didn't deny the rumors, he stated that Apple doesn't make cheap products. Cheap in this definition is not in price. The lowest priced Apple product at the moment is the iPod Shuffle, at $49. The iPod Touch is $199, and it closely resembels the iPhone in terms of usability, only difference is it doesn't have a cell radio.

 

The point is there is a market for a LOW COST phone, and if Apple can deliver a phone that can access the web, access facebook and twitter, and integrates with the Apple ecosystem, then the phone will be a winner. It's a stepping stone for an iPhone.

 

I remember when I got an iPod Touch because I couldn't afford an iPhone. I think some people in third world countries might feel the same, where maybe they can't afford an iPhone yet, but they can get the highest quality "budget" phone, the iPhone mini (or nano)

Curious if you think Apple would somehow limit the services and/or user features of a less expensive iPhone? If so, in what way? I can't imagine them purposely "throttling" the usability, but maybe you or someone else might see it differently. If not then it makes an up-sell to a premium iPhone somewhat difficult doesn't it, particularly if there's a 20% or more price difference to move up one notch. Maybe not offer the current iPhone at all in some markets to avoid that issue?

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post #48 of 88
One of these days with enough stabs in the dark, DigiTimes is almost bound to accidentally get something correct. If this is it is anyone's guess.
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post #49 of 88
To many people are believing this, do I need to chart the difference again?
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That's not aluminum - that's alumina which is entirely different.

Essentially, that's like saying that you're a lump of coal because you contain carbon.
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post #51 of 88

Cheaper =/= cheap

 

Apple obviously won't make a cheap phone, but I could see them making one that's still good quality and maintains their margins, while not being as expensive as the iPhone 5. God knows they'd sell enough to offset the design costs.

 

EDIT: And yeah the "see-through" part is BS. Assuming this story isn't completely made up, they probably just saw a prototype part...

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Two things: 

 

1) Apple has lots of patents for innovative carbon fibre processes that are described in exactly this way (semi-transparent, weird layers, "glass onion" appearance).  

 

2) On the other hand, speaking as someone who always had a transparent housing on every phone they owned before iPhone came along and took away the possibility ... only a small segment of society seems to want this.  There are always transparent housings for almost any phone available, but most people don't seem to care for them or want them.  

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With so many rumors coming out, now I'm convinced Apple is deliberately planting these rumors to isolate who the leaks are in their supply and development process.
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With so many rumors coming out, now I'm convinced Apple is deliberately planting these rumors to isolate who the leaks are in their supply and development process.

I think this is a funny assumption considering people said the same about the iPhone 5 leaks and iPad mini rumors last year.
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Can a prepaid phone offer apple leverage at the point of sale to undo the bias salesmen have for pushing the crap phones over iPhone?

 

The stores/carries makes less of prepaid phones, right? So probably not.

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That's not aluminum - that's alumina which is entirely different.

Essentially, that's like saying that you're a lump of coal because you contain carbon.

 

Exactly. It's entirely different from this.

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post #57 of 88
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Curious if you think Apple would somehow limit the services and/or user features of a less expensive iPhone? If so, in what way? I can't imagine them purposely "throttling" the usability, but maybe you or someone else might see it differently. If not then it makes an up-sell to a premium iPhone somewhat difficult doesn't it, particularly if there's a 20% or more price difference to move up one notch. Maybe not offer the current iPhone at all in some markets to avoid that issue?

It's already happened. The iPod Nano uses an interface that is as fluid as any Apple product, but is not rich in features. An iPhone with similar limitations, but with slightly more features than a Nano, would be adequate.

 

I assume your 20% comment was relating to the $200 contract price point, which might be why you're having difficulties understanding the cheaper iPhone. In reality the cheapest latest gen iPhone costs $650 (retail).

 

If Apple were to release an iPhone that costs $200 off contract, with limited hardware specs, but still maintain a fluid and enjoyable interface, along with general functionalities of modern smartphones (GPS with Map app, 3g, web browser, limited app selection, some games even), then I believe Apple would be able to entice many low end Android smartphone users to switch to Apple. 

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I'll go to the end of absurd and call it, ``TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM.''

Believe it or not, this may be possible within 50 years.
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I must say that I just looked at this thread on another computer and saw all the automatic "link ads" placed *inside* my comments by this forum and I'm shocked.  

 

What kind of despicable, f*cked up website uses "VigiLink"????  

 

Please stop this disgusting practice immediately.  

 

Using Javascript to insert advertising right inside the posts made by forum members is just beyond the pale.  How long has this crap been going on?  I generally block all tracking cookies so I had not noticed until now that you a-holes were doing this.  

 

Absolutely disgusting.  

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Using Javascript to insert advertising right inside the posts made by forum members is just beyond the pale.

Have you turned off JavaScript, and is the site -more or less- still a 'doable' one?
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Originally Posted by ifij775 View Post
Can a prepaid phone offer apple leverage at the point of sale to undo the bias salesmen have for pushing the crap phones over iPhone?

 

No, since nearly everywhere in the world but the US sells the iPhone on a prepaid plan already.

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post #63 of 88
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For this to make sense, at least to me, the introduction of this cheaper iPhone should happen this summer, alongside the introduction of the iPhone 5S. And furthermore, the introduction will introduce a new iPhone strategy for Apple whereby as they bring out their new high end model each year they drop all older models of the iPhone completely and have the cheaper iPhone available alongside it.

So at any one time you've got the 1 latest and greatest in a few storage sizes, and one latest and cheapest in one small size. This would simplify the product lineup for people, in my mind. Do you want the 5S or the cheaper model? If you want the cheaper model, here you go, it's an 8GB phone made using clear plastic so you don't even need to choose a colour. If you want the 5S you can choose from black and white and 16-64 GB. Do you want to spend as little money on an iPhone as possible and yet still get a new iPhone? Or do you want the latest and greatest?


Many would select the cheapest... so I would expect any such phone to be sold in emerging markets only, otherwise profits will tank.

 

A budget phone will be sold to solidify iOS in certain markets only.  And will have to have sufficiently less features to justify the price difference from the premium phones.

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Where did you find that mockup?

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/01/05/new-ipod-nano-iphone-6-design/

I must say, Safari didn't help me here, with a couple of hours on the internet, nee, using Safari, the History pulldown could use a time indicator because the list gets quite long after a few hours use...

Anyhoo, there are way more mockups that one (possibly might) want to see:



link

Searching the internet, it looks like the iPhone nano is 'an oldie'



iPhone Shuffle:



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Colored aluminum would be "cool" and classier.

You mean rust/corrosion
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/05/29/how-anodizing-aluminum-finishes-apples-products/

(poor link, but ok, many better articles out there)
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I personally think the current Nano form factor should have been for an iPhone and the iPod Nano should have remained a wrist watch. 

It could have been used for an iPhone, sorta like this (possibly widescreen):



but it's best to be able to type with a qwerty keyboard in portrait. If they come up with some other method of typing like a motion sensing ticker-tape letter strip or something (you'd just hover your thumb over the screen at the bottom left and right and it would slide the single line of letters left/right with Dock-style Zoom and tap to select) or even just zoom up the keyboard while hovering that might work but they have to cram a keyboard into a smaller width or force landscape typing.

I could see it being a good option for young teenagers but they might not be able to support wifi + sim card + antenna + extra battery in something that is still a lot smaller and cheaper than the iPhone 4.
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When has Digitimes ever even been sometimes reliable?

They're at least reliably wrong so whenever they say something, we now know it's complete rubbish, which helps filter the bad rumours out.
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What a load of DigiTimes crap! That publications dick-wadness grows by the day.
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Did you make that up? It's genius!

Thanks, yes.

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these people do all the drugs known to the planet. honestly they are idiots.

 

 


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http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/01/05/new-ipod-nano-iphone-6-design/

I must say, Safari didn't help me here, with a couple of hours on the internet, nee, using Safari, the History pulldown could use a time indicator because the list gets quite long after a few hours use...

Anyhoo, there are way more mockups that one (possibly might) want to see:



link

Searching the internet, it looks like the iPhone nano is 'an oldie'



iPhone Shuffle:


You mean rust/corrosion
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/05/29/how-anodizing-aluminum-finishes-apples-products/

(poor link, but ok, many better articles out there)

Very nice stuff.

I clicked the link for the original iPhone Nano photo and of course a lot of people said it looked the Lumia :facepalm:

Spider iPhone is too weird and iPhone shuffle is absolutely ridiculous.

Very cool link for the anodized aluminum. Learn something new every day 1biggrin.gif
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It could have been used for an iPhone, sorta like this (possibly widescreen):



but it's best to be able to type with a qwerty keyboard in portrait. If they come up with some other method of typing like a motion sensing ticker-tape letter strip or something (you'd just hover your thumb over the screen at the bottom left and right and it would slide the single line of letters left/right with Dock-style Zoom and tap to select) or even just zoom up the keyboard while hovering that might work but they have to cram a keyboard into a smaller width or force landscape typing.

I could see it being a good option for young teenagers but they might not be able to support wifi + sim card + antenna + extra battery in something that is still a lot smaller and cheaper than the iPhone 4.
They're at least reliably wrong so whenever they say something, we now know it's complete rubbish, which helps filter the bad rumours out.

You're right it'd be impossible to type on something too narrow. How does typing/search work on the current Nano?

For a phone where texting would probably be its biggest use that should definitely be the prime consideration.

I think they could use the current 3.5 inch screen and shrink the body of the phone around it and maybe get rid of the home button?
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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
How does typing/search work on the current Nano?

 

You just don't. I think the voice commands from the 3rd gen iPod shuffle are there, but other than that, you don't.


…maybe get rid of the home button?

 

Not gonna happen.

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You just don't. I think the voice commands from the 3rd gen iPod shuffle are there, but other than that, you don't.


Really? I know on the 5G Nano (and every other iPod with a click wheel) you could use the click wheel to type. I didn't know the newer ones were voice only.

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Not gonna happen.


Well Apple did get rid of the click wheel and all other buttons and made a buttonless iPod Nano before...

They technically and feasibly could do the same for an iPhone Nano.
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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
Well Apple did get rid of the click wheel and all other buttons and made a buttonless iPod Nano before...

They technically and feasibly could do the same for an iPhone Nano.


Well, are we assuming it runs iOS or Pixo OS?

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Well, are we assuming it runs iOS or Pixo OS?

 

I'm just saying Apple has done crazy things before (remember the buttonless iPod shuffle?) so I wouldn't be surprised if they axed the home button on an iOS device in the near future.

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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
I'm just saying Apple has done crazy things before (remember the buttonless iPod shuffle?) so I wouldn't be surprised if they axed the home button on an iOS device in the near future.


Replacing it with what? The functionality is required. And take note: gestures lock up when an app does.

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Replacing it with what? The functionality is required. And take note: gestures lock up when an app does.

 

True. But Apple is moving forward and the home button isn't going to be there forever. I'm sure they're figuring out solutions for the iOS post-home button.

 

There have been some good ideas communicated on the forums such as turning the whole front panel into a "trackpad-esque" button, that would be firm enough not to accidentally be triggered when using the screen, but function as the home button when the lower part of the screen panel is pressed.

 

Of course Apple had their solution on the 6G Nano of backward swipe. On an iPhone that could be a 2 finger swipe. The iPad already has gestures that take the place of the home button.

 

And when gestures fail the lock button will still be there...

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Well Apple did get rid of the click wheel and all other buttons and made a buttonless iPod Nano before...

They screwed up with the first iPod touch having no dedicated volume up and down buttons, and added them with the 2nd gen. Hardware buttons are simply required sometimes, even though Steve didn't like them.

Not to make a point, but it's related (from the bio):
One sunny afternoon, when he wasn’t feeling well, Jobs sat in the garden behind his house and reflected on death. He talked about his experiences in India almost four decades earlier, his study of Buddhism, and his views on reincarnation and spiritual transcendence. “I’m about fifty-fifty on believing in God,” he said. “For most of my life, I’ve felt that there must be more to our existence than meets the eye.”
He admitted that, as he faced death, he might be overestimating the odds out of a desire to believe in an afterlife. “I like to think that something survives after you die,” he said. “It’s strange to think that you accumulate all this experience, and maybe a little wisdom, and it just goes away. So I really want to believe that something survives, that maybe your consciousness endures.”
He fell silent for a very long time. “But on the other hand, perhaps it’s like an on-off switch,” he said. “Click! And you’re gone.”
Then he paused again and smiled slightly. “Maybe that’s why I never liked to put on-off switches on Apple devices.”
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Not to make a point, but it's related (from the bio):
One sunny afternoon, when he wasn’t feeling well, Jobs sat in the garden behind his house and reflected on death. He talked about his experiences in India almost four decades earlier, his study of Buddhism, and his views on reincarnation and spiritual transcendence. “I’m about fifty-fifty on believing in God,” he said. “For most of my life, I’ve felt that there must be more to our existence than meets the eye.”
He admitted that, as he faced death, he might be overestimating the odds out of a desire to believe in an afterlife. “I like to think that something survives after you die,” he said. “It’s strange to think that you accumulate all this experience, and maybe a little wisdom, and it just goes away. So I really want to believe that something survives, that maybe your consciousness endures.”
He fell silent for a very long time. “But on the other hand, perhaps it’s like an on-off switch,” he said. “Click! And you’re gone.”
Then he paused again and smiled slightly. “Maybe that’s why I never liked to put on-off switches on Apple devices.”

 

I just love Steve Jobs. What an amazing excerpt of the bio.

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Originally Posted by blackbook View Post
True. But Apple is moving forward and the home button isn't going to be there forever.


Right, and they'll remove it when it's no longer iOS. But it's gonna be iOS for a good long while.

There have been some good ideas communicated on the forums such as turning the whole front panel into a "trackpad-esque" button, that would be firm enough not to accidentally be triggered when using the screen, but function as the home button when the lower part of the screen panel is pressed.


There's a reason the BlackBerry Storm and Storm 2 sucked so many metaphorical eggs. And it was basically that.

 

Of course Apple had their solution on the 6G Nano of backward swipe.

 

Not iOS. Different story. You can't assign that swipe to that function; it breaks every app ever made.

 

On an iPhone that could be a 2 finger swipe.

 

Again, breaks apps.

 

 The iPad already has gestures that take the place of the home button.

 

And I specifically stated those gestures lock up when an app locks up. So you HAVE to have a hardware "out".


And when gestures fail the lock button will still be there...

 

Which doesn't take you out of the app, so it solves nothing. I suppose if you want to forcibly shut your device down every time an app hangs, that's one way of doing it.

 

It's the Windows 98 way, but it's a way.

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Right, and they'll remove it when it's no longer iOS. But it's gonna be iOS for a good long while.


There's a reason the BlackBerry Storm and Storm 2 sucked so many metaphorical eggs. And it was basically that.


Not iOS. Different story. You can't assign that swipe to that function; it breaks every app ever made.


Again, breaks apps.


And I specifically stated those gestures lock up when an app locks up. So you HAVE to have a hardware "out".

Which doesn't take you out of the app, so it solves nothing. I suppose if you want to forcibly shut your device down every time an app hangs, that's one way of doing it.

It's the Windows 98 way, but it's a way.

Ah yes now I remember the Blackberry Storm. Seems like such a distant terrible memory.

And you're also right about relying on software because androids with no buttons freeze when apps crash and have to be rebooted.

The home button is a nice fail safe for now but I still think Apple will bid rid of it on an iOS device in the future.
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