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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

It's good that the financially handicapped have an opportunity to buy tablets on the cheap. Hey, not everyone can afford a Mercedes-Benz. Some will just have to settle for Toyotas. The Nexus 7 is the is like the Toyota of tablets. Just as Toyota is not putting Mercedes-Benz out of the auto business, neither will ASUS put Apple out of the tablet business. It's different strokes for different folks.

Windows PCs outsell Macs. They certainly do. However, the Windows PC business is in a huge slump and most of the companies selling them are losing money. So, let them sell cheap Windows PCs at razor-thin margins. There are plenty of consumers out there who can't afford better. But even as cheap as these Windows computers are, consumers are still hesitant about purchasing them. Apple makes good profits selling their computers and Apple has increased sales over the past year while most companies selling Windows PCs are not doing financially well at all.

 

The unfortunate result of Windows becoming so dominant is that certain software then was available only on PC's and the Mac became a niche product. In addition, Microsoft managed to convince the world that we would all return to the Stone Age without using Office. In effect Windows PC's became the english language of languages. Now, the phone thing may be different in that you don't yet have an Office or financial apps which only run on clones. The danger is that some app becomes absolutely dominant and only available on one platform. I'm sure Microsoft would love for Office to be that app on Windows phones.

 

Apple has always been in a dangerous position in this regard. Fortunately, the Samsung's of the world do not seem to produce great software. It's all about the software and, to a certain degree, price. Google has an ad based revenue model and so they can afford to have the world flooded with Android devices of all prices and quality. It's hard to imagine that this will not at some point affect Apple in a negative way much as Windows 95 really hurt the Mac. Perhaps there is some strategy that Apple can use in order to not become irrelevant as they did on the desktop ( with some niche but important exceptions). I do hope they come up with something as the Windows and Android worlds strike me as being really ugly garbage dumps.

 

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post #42 of 147
BTW, this same research company had the Sony Walkman beating out the iPod in 2010.

... right...
post #43 of 147
There analysis is rubbish. Determining marketshare with online stores isn't going to give you anywhere near the real picture since they cannot get the numbers from Apple's online store.

The mini was not being discounted just about everywhere and if you are going to pay full retail, would you buy it from someone other than Apple? Want it engraved?

Yet another trash story from nikkei trying to drive the stock price down.
post #44 of 147
Oh and by the way, c|net is a steaming pile of garbage. Pretty much everything they write these days put click bait. Just last week there was an article about how Android was better than Apple in "every way". Now they've got another one from a freelance journalist (who writes Android how-to guides on the side) with the 6 reasons iPhone 6 will be a dud: iOS is stale, Samsung and Android are "rocking it", Apple is different under TC, young people don't think Apple is cool anymore, price matters, and finally, Apple doesn't have a "wow" factor. If that isn't pure click bait for the sole purpose of trolling I don't know what is.
post #45 of 147
Yeah, but Apple has already sold more than 13 million ipad minis since launch. The chedda has already been made baby.
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Yeah, but Apple has already sold more than 13 million ipad minis since launch. The chedda has already been made baby.


Wouldn't that make the Mini the Toyota of tablets?

 

Mass device (13M...) : check.

Lower (screen, not casing) quality than the Nexus : check.

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post #47 of 147
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Who made more money?

Which tablets are being used and generate more internet traffic?

 

I couldn't give a damn which company is making more profit. All I care about is there is a product on the market I want, and that product is being sold at a price I'm willing to pay. And I sure as hell don't care how other people are allegedly using the products I have chosen to purchase. It's how I use it that counts.

post #48 of 147
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Define "lose"

Android already dominates the smartphone market with 75% market share to Apple's 15%

But I have yet to see the result of Android having all that market share... other than simply being able to say they have the most market share.

Apple... a distant 2nd place with only 15% market share... has already captured the eyes of the developers and the accessory makers. Market share alone won't make developers rush over to Android... and you can count on one hand the number of speaker docks or alarm clocks available for MicroUSB Android devices.

Oh there are a few speaker docks for Android... but the USB plug is only used for power. You still have to use an AUX cable or Bluetooth for audio.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the accessory makers still favor Apple products... despite Android having 5 times more market share. Again... market share alone doesn't attract 3rd parties.

As for Apple... they don't need market share to stay in business. They are making more money with only 15% than the rest of the industry combined.

But they certainly need a market. And as long as Apple is selling millions and millions of products... I think they've got a market.

So... more money, more accessories, more developers... all from a company who is NOT in the dominant position. That kinda disproves the market share myth, huh.

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I am tired of these arguments. The installed base of iOS is about the same as Android, and a lot of old Android devices are not useful for apps. Hence the difference - however revenue on the Google Play is growing faster than revenue on the App Store, something which can only continue. Eventually if Apple is less than 20% of the market, it will have lower mindshare amongst devs, and your argument in the next year or so  will be "so what if it is 5% of the market and 5% of the downloads: it can still survive on 10% of the profits". 

 

I thought however that Apple was in this to win, it - a al going thermonuclear on Android. At the moment they are acting timidly. And the legal route isn't working.

 

The market agrees, Apple is massively undervalued for a growth company with exponential growth. Its forward P/E is 5-6.

 

So Apple can maintain temporary margins, and temporary profits at the expense of longer term profits and revenues, or disappear into relative obscurity once again. 

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post #49 of 147
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Oh and by the way, c|net is a steaming pile of garbage. Pretty much everything they write these days put click bait. Just last week there was an article about how Android was better than Apple in "every way". Now they've got another one from a freelance journalist (who writes Android how-to guides on the side) with the 6 reasons iPhone 6 will be a dud: iOS is stale, Samsung and Android are "rocking it", Apple is different under TC, young people don't think Apple is cool anymore, price matters, and finally, Apple doesn't have a "wow" factor. If that isn't pure click bait for the sole purpose of trolling I don't know what is.

 

It could just be called, you know, an opinion written by a freelance journalist. Opinion pieces are acceptable, even if they don't conform to your personal viewpoint of the world.

 

Personally I do think iOS is a bit stale. I upgraded to a 4S from a 3GS and definitely questioned my decision afterwards. It's the same OS running a little faster on a better looking display. The camera is also very overrated. Sure it's a lot better than the 3GS, but it's still not something I'd want to use regularly for shooting photography. It's a great phone, but honestly I could have continued to have lived happily with the 3GS on a dirt cheap unsubsidized phone contract. I think that's a sad conclusion to draw on a phone released back in mid-2009.

post #50 of 147
Its a bleak day indeed for iPad haters and competitors.

When all they have left is to resort to shady sales surveys in some far off land to beat it!
post #51 of 147
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Wouldn't that make the Mini the Toyota of tablets?

 

Mass device (13M...) : check.

Lower (screen, not casing) quality than the Nexus : check.

I wonder why you forgot "more expensive"?

 

In my humble opinion I wouldn't touch Nexus 7 just because the fact that it comes from Google. If it's Microsoft's then maybe. I don't support shady company on privacy issue (oh, yeah don't ask for it I'm too lazy to list). At least I can sleep better with iPad.

But I have tested it and performance-wise I still prefer iPad mini anyway.

post #52 of 147
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I am tired of these arguments. The installed base of iOS is about the same as Android, and a lot of old Android devices are not useful for apps. Hence the difference - however revenue on the Google Play is growing faster than revenue on the App Store, something which can only continue. Eventually if Apple is less than 20% of the market, it will have lower mindshare amongst devs, and your argument in the next year or so  will be "so what if it is 5% of the market and 5% of the downloads: it can still survive on 10% of the profits". 

 

I thought however that Apple was in this to win, it - a al going thermonuclear on Android. At the moment they are acting timidly. And the legal route isn't working.

 

The market agrees, Apple is massively undervalued for a growth company with exponential growth. Its forward P/E is 5-6.

 

So Apple can maintain temporary margins, and temporary profits at the expense of longer term profits and revenues, or disappear into relative obscurity once again. 

hmm.. why judge the store on its growth (percentage)? Isn't revenue is a better judgement? Also I don't think Apple will have lower mindshare just because it has 20% of the market or whatever as long as Apple users are spending. 

For example, straight from the horse's mouth about BBC Olympic apps on both Android and iOS

"Back in July, when we launched the Olympics app for iPhone and Android together, we saw over three times as many downloads of the iPhone version."

This despite the much lower marketshare of iPhone.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2013/01/sport_app.html?postId=114875291

post #53 of 147
Like I keep on saying, Apple in Asia is nowhere near as popular as it was, iPhones are relatively rare. I worked with a team the other day who almost all had iPhones a year ago and today they ALL had Samsung phones...
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Originally Posted by eksodos View Post

 

It could just be called, you know, an opinion written by a freelance journalist. Opinion pieces are acceptable, even if they don't conform to your personal viewpoint of the world.

 

Personally I do think iOS is a bit stale. I upgraded to a 4S from a 3GS and definitely questioned my decision afterwards. It's the same OS running a little faster on a better looking display. The camera is also very overrated. Sure it's a lot better than the 3GS, but it's still not something I'd want to use regularly for shooting photography. It's a great phone, but honestly I could have continued to have lived happily with the 3GS on a dirt cheap unsubsidized phone contract. I think that's a sad conclusion to draw on a phone released back in mid-2009.


I used the Galaxy S3 for pro reasons, and its camera is imho MASSIVELY inferior to my iPhone 4. Not even a 4S, an "old" 4. (Note, I wanted to upgrade to  iPhone 5, but the iMac 27i is looking so nice that I need one first. Even though I need to convince The Lady who disagrees... ) Therefore, I question your analysis on the iPhone's camera, since if you compare it to the competition, it's rather great, and if you compare it to a CANON or Leica 1000+$ camera, maybe you're not doing a fair comparison...

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post #55 of 147
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hmm.. why judge the store on its growth (percentage)? Isn't revenue is a better judgement? Also I don't think Apple will have lower mindshare just because it has 20% of the market or whatever as long as Apple users are spending. 

For example, straight from the horse's mouth about BBC Olympic apps on both Android and iOS

"Back in July, when we launched the Olympics app for iPhone and Android together, we saw over three times as many downloads of the iPhone version."

This despite the much lower marketshare of iPhone.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2013/01/sport_app.html?postId=114875291

Precisely.

 

In the mindshare stakes, it's important to realise that developers and software houses are capitalists and not "Apple fanboys", as angry Android supporters seem to think when new apps are released first for the iOS platform.

 

So it's obviously the App Store downloads proportion coupled with the relatively low incidence of rampant piracy that continues to tip the scales decisively in Apple's favour. Key in the extra effort required to develop for the various shades of Android hardware, and Google's preferential bias towards free apps with advertising revenue as the developers' money-maker (with all its excess baggage of privacy concerns) and there you have it.

 

In other words, it's the number of PAYING clients as customers, not the total number of devices that is the kicker, and is likely to stay that way until the competition comes up with a better, different market strategy than just "throwing numbers against the wall to see what sticks".

 

Equally important is the fact that both strategies are viable, so doomsayers waiting for one platform or the other to blink, crash and burn will probably have a long, long while to wait - only a technological quantum leap in the manner of iPhone's 2007 advent is likely to trigger any dramatic changes in the landscape of vendors' fortunes.

 

Apple's strategy has consistently allowed it to thrive alongside competitors (see iPod's dominance amid Toshiba, Sony, Casio, Zen , iRiver,0 etc and MacBooks in the crowded laptop market).


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I wonder why you forgot "more expensive"?

 

In my humble opinion I wouldn't touch Nexus 7 just because the fact that it comes from Google. If it's Microsoft's then maybe. I don't support shady company on privacy issue (oh, yeah don't ask for it I'm too lazy to list). At least I can sleep better with iPad.

But I have tested it and performance-wise I still prefer iPad mini anyway.

1- Expensive is (in my opinion) not appropriate as a metrics here because

A- 330 is still not budget-breaking (I can still eat this month and get one...)

B- if price is a good metrics, I have very expensive pencils to sell to you

 

2- You're entitled to your opinion, but to me, any big corporation is at least suspect and definitely, Microsoft's track record is worse than Google's. My opinion, I hope someone somewhere in this big world shares it :p

 

3- Of course you may prefer iPad Mini. I never said it's not an OK machine. I happen to believe Nexus 7 is superior, and definitely Nexus 7 fits my preference better, but why shouldn't other people have other needs/tastes/preferences?

 

I was just iterating on the absurd comparison between car brands and tablets. Google, quite obviously in my opinion, made a very good tablet called Nexus 7, in order to have a flagship product capable of standing up to iPad Mini. It's politics, and they (in my opinion) completely beat iPad Mini. I have no idea if it costs them millions while Apple makes money on the iPad Mini due to the inferior screen and admittedly superior market (but I don't need that, I only need a reader+browser, as most people do).

 

In my opinion, the ideal lineup currently and until iPad Mini Retina comes out is:

 

new iMac 27 inches at home for gaming/movies

iPad 4

Nexus 7

iPhone 5

MBA 11 inches latest generation for on the move computing (I'm not at all convinced by the Retina MBP, due to them being bigger than 11 inches, but I haven't owned a 12+ inches laptop in 15 years now, so I might be an exception)

 

Can't afford the complete lineup, so i only have part of it (older models etc) but I accept donations.

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post #57 of 147
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Precisely.

 

In the mindshare stakes, it's important to realise that developers and software houses are capitalists and not "Apple fanboys", as angry Android supporters seem to think when new apps are released first for the iOS platform.

 

So it's obviously the App Store downloads proportion coupled with the relatively low incidence of rampant piracy that continues to tip the scales decisively in Apple's favour. Key in the extra effort required to develop for the various shades of Android hardware, and Google's preferential bias towards free apps with advertising revenue as the developer's money-maker (with all its excess baggage of privacy concerns) and there you have it.

 

In other words, it's the number of PAYING clients as customers, not the total number of devices that is the kicker, and is likely to stay that way until the competition comes up with a better, different market strategy than just "throwing numbers against the wall to see what sticks".


Yes, perfect analysis. It's the same reason why Apple doesn't have most of the PC games on release day (and may get the biggest successes as maybe-somehow-ported-with-few-new-bugs* a while later, see Civilization 4 or 5 to see the bugs creep out, or Assassin's Creed). Software houses are no philantropists, and these are actually more active on another type of Unix (Linux, FreeBSD... etc).

 

Currently, iOS is a much more viable platform for software houses, for all the reasons outlined by airmanchairman.

 

 

* I'm in no way bashing the great work done by Aspyr, I'm saying that developping for DirectX first is the logical decision for software houses, and this causes tremendous issues when (possibly, and not for everygame) porting. Not to mention the probable lower performance.

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post #58 of 147

the Nexus 7 / Kindle Fire make great gifts, but the iPad is something you buy for yourself.
 

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I'm struggling to understand why AI would report something like this when the data is clearly questionable. I can understand anti-Apple sites like c|net doing it as its good click bait for them. But AI shiould know better. 1oyvey.gif

 

Clickbait.  Apple hater eyeballs generate the same income as apple fan eyeballs.

post #60 of 147
This is worrying, since it is looking Google's giveaway strategy threatens another of Apple's core markets. Google is the new Microsoft. They write the software and make all the money (albeit through ad revenue rather than the software itself) and let the OEMs worry about (and often fail) to make profits on razor thin margins.

It sounds like the iPad mini came none too soon.
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As I said just a post earlier, I believe Nexus to be superior to iPad Mini. It's my opinion, and you're not obliged to share it. However, please avoid insulting me with "financially handicaped" or that kind of car comparison. Mercedes/Audi is OK; Mercedes/Toyota is not OK.

 

You prefer the Nexus be equivalent to the garage-queen Audi over the more dependable Toyota?  LOL.

 

Mercedes/Toyota is applicable and certainly OK.  You may like the Nexus 7 more but in terms of build quality the iPad Mini is much nicer.

 

What you're doing is claiming that the Toyota Avalon is in the same class as the Mercedes C Class (and Audis) because it has more horsepower and is cheaper while it still has leather seats and a wood trim.

 

No, not so much.  I'd certainly rather have an Avalon than any of the much prettier and higher performing Audis since I prefer a more reliable ride after owning a couple A4s.  Nice car but I got awful tired of driving loaners.

post #62 of 147
Survey on 2400 electronic stores?

7 Apple retail stores in Japan included?

How about Japan Apple online store?
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Wonder how many of them are regretting now. I know I am. 

post #64 of 147
Is this another attempt to drive down AAPL before earnings? I have my earplugs in; keep talking...
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post #65 of 147
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We have an iPad and an iPad mini and several Mini iPad Minis (aka iPod Touch). Oh, and two Apple laptops. So Apple are very pleased with us I'm sure. But my wife got a Nexus 7 recently simply because of the price difference in comparison to the iPad mini. She uses it primarily for eBooks, it's also somewhat easier to hold than the iPad mini. I also have an Engineer colleague who bought it primarily for viewing PDFs - again because of the price differential. He too has iPhones, iPod Touches, iPads and an iMac in the family.

 

Similar story here, wife has an ipad which in my view & many of the tablet buying market was overpriced compared to what you can get now - in this case specifically from the Nexus 7.  I now own one of these, have done my own side by side comparisons with ipads & ipad mini's.  I'd really like to see someone actually come up with a reasonable argument as to why spend £ 330 over £ 160?  And please, lets ignore the tedious ecosystem nonsense; give some genuine reasons why an average user shouldn't go for the 'buy two nexus 7's for the price of one (ok, almost...) ipad mini' offer.

 

for me, main priorities:

 

Not spend too much money on a coffee table device

Provide access to internet

Provide access to any email accounts I choose to add on there

Have access to a giant app store

Have access to an app store that gives one chargeable app as an foc one every day - thanks Amazon

Can be used as a book reader if I really want to

Play whatever video files I throw at it

Give me ability to do skype calls if I'm really desperate to do that rather than conventional calls

 

To me, all of these tasks can be achieved by both (not sure on the video files bit on ipad as it goes).  So; what possible reasons would there have been to spend £ 330 rather than £ 160 for basic 16GB Nexus & £ 30 on a load of accessories - case, stand, stylus, OTP cable (so I can keep sons kiddy programs off it except when needed).  Obviously all the streaming services are available to handle that side too from sky go, catchuptv, iplayer etc..

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Oh and by the way, c|net is a steaming pile of garbage. Pretty much everything they write these days put click bait. Just last week there was an article about how Android was better than Apple in "every way". Now they've got another one from a freelance journalist (who writes Android how-to guides on the side) with the 6 reasons iPhone 6 will be a dud: iOS is stale, Samsung and Android are "rocking it", Apple is different under TC, young people don't think Apple is cool anymore, price matters, and finally, Apple doesn't have a "wow" factor. If that isn't pure click bait for the sole purpose of trolling I don't know what is.

 

CNet's credibility has been deeply undermined by the whole "Best of CES" flap involving the Dish Hopper. It's pretty clear they have lost their editorial independence under CBS.

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Oh and by the way, c|net is a steaming pile of garbage. Pretty much everything they write these days put click bait. Just last week there was an article about how Android was better than Apple in "every way".

 

Did you read the article? The author made it very clear that is was better in every way for his usage. I was about as unbiased a piece as you're ever going to get on a tech blog.

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It could just be called, you know, an opinion written by a freelance journalist. Opinion pieces are acceptable, even if they don't conform to your personal viewpoint of the world.

Personally I do think iOS is a bit stale. I upgraded to a 4S from a 3GS and definitely questioned my decision afterwards. It's the same OS running a little faster on a better looking display.
The camera is also very overrated. Sure it's a lot better than the 3GS, but it's still not something I'd want to use regularly for shooting photography.
It's a great phone, but honestly I could have continued to have lived happily with the 3GS on a dirt cheap unsubsidized phone contract. 
I think that's a sad conclusion to draw on a phone released back in mid-2009.
It's click bait pure and simple. All you have to do is look at the comments section which is one trollish post after another. But I guess c|net has to feed their anti-Apple reader base.
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Did you read the article? The author made it very clear that is was better in every way for his usage. I was about as unbiased a piece as you're ever going to get on a tech blog.
Yeah I read it. Of course "for his usage" was no where to be found in the title. And if we're going to talk about unbiased, where's the counter opinion from someone who likes iOS better? Now thatwould be unbiased reporting.
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Originally Posted by "Apple 
[" url="/t/155503/googles-nexus-7-outsells-apples-ipad-in-japan-over-holidays#post_2260181"]I'm assuming that the majority of iPads would be sold from Apple stores in Japan, am I wrong?

Did that market research firm just walk into various Apple stores and say, excuse me, I'd like to speak with the manager, because I need to know exactly how many iPads you have sold over the holidays? And did the Apple store managers just gladly hand over that confidential information? lol.gif

Something about this story just doesn't jive.

I'm not doubting that the no profit or very little profit Nexus 7 did sell a few units, since it is fairly cheap, and for certain people, price is the main motivating factor behind their purchasing decision, but I am questioning how the market research firm obtains their figures, especially the number of iPads sold.
Theres no way this includes apple store sales and also they don't track online sale.
On top of that this is from the nikkie, which is the one that had the false story of 50% iPhone 5 cuts Sunday night. They are just trying to get the stock down
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CNet's credibility has been deeply undermined by the whole "Best of CES" flap involving the Dish Hopper. It's pretty clear they have lost their editorial independence under CBS.
That's why I prefer sits like the Verge and ArsTechnica. A lot less bias in their reporting. And not nearly as much click bait. I'm sorry but in the span of a couple weeks c|net has two opinion pieces - one about Android being better than iOS "in every way" and one about 6 reasons iPhone 6 will be a dud - not to mention all the articles we get about silly surveys from questionable outfits predicting D&G for Apple. And we're still supposed to believe c|net is an unbiased tech site? 1oyvey.gif
post #72 of 147
Is this the same company that was saying ACER tablet was outselling the iPad back in 2011?
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/wapa/20110812/p1

I have a feeling someone is good doing marketing to grab audience 1smile.gif
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I like the size and form factor of the Nexus 7 but its no where near as polished as the iPad.

All of the apps my friends had on his are stretched phone apps that look pixelated and the touch response of the device was hit or miss.

Lack of OS smoothness couples with the other issues make the iPad worth the extra cost to me, because you get what you pay for the with the Nexus 7.
post #74 of 147

Well... it was really hard to buy an iPad mini in Tokyo before Christmas; it was tough even through Apple's website due to supply. I'll bet much of Apple's sales were online and I doubt that figures into the survey.

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Who made more money?

Which tablets are being used and generate more internet traffic?

 

"... says one market research firm." AppleInsider has become one of the biggest click whores on the planet. Blazing headline declaring the iPad dead and buried by a cheaper copy followed by the money quote that this is according to ONE SURVEY, not actual sales numbers, just counting boxes. I'm just about done with this trashy web site and its click whore editors. You're no better than C|net or MacRumors. Highschool graduates calling themselves journalists starting a web site.

post #76 of 147
And Windows PCs outsell Macs.

Yet Macs have utterly dominated in Consumer Satisfaction for nearly a decade. And they make Apple a boatload of money.

Show me a purveyor of cheap Android feature phones that *doesn't* push a shit-ton of units.

Consumer Satisfaction and margins per unit tell the real story.
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Is this the same company that was saying ACER tablet was outselling the iPad back in 2011?
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/wapa/20110812/p1

I have a feeling someone is good doing marketing to grab audience 1smile.gif

 

Good point. 

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I couldn't give a damn which company is making more profit. All I care about is there is a product on the market I want, and that product is being sold at a price I'm willing to pay. And I sure as hell don't care how other people are allegedly using the products I have chosen to purchase. It's how I use it that counts.

 

Well said. Android and Apple fanboys love to argue about that stuff, but as long as it leads to products people like at prices they can afford, who cares about this pissing contest.

LOL people should just enjoy whatever phone they prefer and stop being d-bags about other phones they don't use. Fanboys are pathetic, regardless of whether they are Android or Apple ones.
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LOL people should just enjoy whatever phone they prefer and stop being d-bags about other phones they don't use. Fanboys are pathetic, regardless of whether they are Android or Apple ones.
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Well said. Android and Apple fanboys love to argue about that stuff, but as long as it leads to products people like at prices they can afford, who cares about this pissing contest.


I care. Pissing contests are fun.

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The iPad mini didn't start shipping until Nov, so the Nexus 7 had a month longer, plus was the cellular version even allowed to ship?

Some people don't read each word or write each word of the actual situation, but when the iPad mini started shipping, the article says it slowed the Nexus 7 sales.

Excellent point.

Also, I wonder how many of the purchasers were Samsung attorneys who couldn't tell the difference and thought they were buying iPads. /s

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It doesn't matter what company makes more money.

Of course it matters.

When a company makes money, they can continue to invest in innovation which moves the entire industry forward. Apple's innovation seems to be driving the entire market over the past 10 years or so. WIthout profits, that wouldn't happen.

On the other side, companies who don't make money look for ways to cut corners - and eventually start selling crap.
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