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In an interview with Wired, Google CEO and cofounder Larry Page offered his take on the state of technology, saying that companies like Apple and Facebook should dedicate more resources on innovation rather than competion.

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Google CEO Larry Page. | Source: Larry Page via Google+.


Throughout the lengthy Wired interview, which covers Page's beginnings with Google and his work with the company's Google X project, the CEO offered his thoughts on why tech companies should be focusing more on innovating the next big thing instead of working on version changes of existing products.

Page expressed concern regarding company leadership, saying there too much attention is being paid to competition. When asked about a specific case involving the late Steve Jobs' comment of "going thermonuclear war" on Google's Android mobile operating system, Page quipped, "How well is that working?"

"But it?s hard to find actual examples of really amazing things that happened solely due to competition," Page said. "How exciting is it to come to work if the best you can do is trounce some other company that does roughly the same thing?"

Speaking on the topic of Google X, the internet search giant's experimental products lab, Page said breakthroughs and non-incremental changes are key and questions why tech giants like Apple don't use their vast resources toward these goals.

"You may say that Apple only does a very, very small number of things, and that?s working pretty well for them. But I find that unsatisfying," he said, adding that the "crazy things" investors worry about spending money on are ultimately the most substantial. Page gave the examples of YouTube, Chrome, and Android, saying, "If you?re not doing some things that are crazy, then you?re doing the wrong things."

Regarding new products, Wired asked if Google's latest social networking endeavor, Google+, was a result of competition with Facebook, but Page dismissed the idea.

"It?s not the way I think about it," he said. "And, yeah, [Facebook is] a company that?s strong in that space. But they?re also doing a really bad job on their products. For us to succeed, is it necessary for some other company to fail? No. We?re actually doing something different."
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Does anyone on Google's PR department ever vet what this guy says before he starts chewing on his own feet?
post #3 of 191
Of course Larry would say this. That way Google can steal the next big thing and not have to pay anything for it. As for doing "crazy" things, Google good at that but Apple has their head screwed on a whole lot better coming up with things that help consumers do things better.
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"For us to succeed, is it necessary for some other company to fail? No. We%u2019re actually doing something different."

Even his answers are copied.
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did he actually say this? i think he meant other companies should innovate more so we can just steal their work.

Dipsh!t, Apple's been innovating for the last 10 years.
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Larry Page and Mark Zuckerberg will one day both be as famous and powerful as Michael Dell.
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haha

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Google+
Android
10" tablet
Manufacturing your own

He's all talk.
Google are about as innovative as my left testicle. Like Facebook, they are a glorified advertising company - who fluked into Search 10 years ago. Amazon are far more innovative than Google in the last 5 years. And Apple blow both of them out of the water. Apple's products are so seamless and work so well, sometimes their innovation is invisible and not so obvious at a glance, unless you touch and use the products.

Three areas for future innovation for Apple are: even better UX on iOS (notice I didn't say more features), cloud services that are far more reliable, robust and fast, and the all-in-one TV product I've been wishing for for 7 years.

Everything else will be evolutionary for a few years, like the Retina transition, the SSD transition and other transitions.

I strongly believe Apple needs to switch to an iOS-like free update model on OS X.

And everyone here will likely disagree with me, but I think Apple needs to seriously consider purchasing Twitter. I'd go so far as to say they should buy Twitter. They should have 2 years ago. And I don't believe Twitter is not for sale, they'd sell to Apple for the right price. And Apple would make back that money in a year.

This is my wish list. Have at it, Cook.
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post #9 of 191
Wow. He's fallen a little far from the tree, eh? Google - legendary innovators... They have made literally dozens of breakthroughs that have launched and did on their feet.

They lack focus in almost every way - I am emended of the monkeys and Beethoven metaphor.
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"Page said breakthroughs and non-incremental changes are key and questions why tech giants like Apple don't use their vast resources toward these goals. "

the original iphone, ipad, apple tv, MBA weren't incremental. When's the last time Google was first to the market. oh wait, they had Wave or Buzz or whatever that failure was.
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Yeah, Google wants Apple to "innovate" and invent the next new thing no doubt, so that Google can copy it and come out with their own crappy version, just like with their phones and their crappy OS.

 

And sometimes it's better to do nothing than to "innovate" or change things just for the sake of changing things. A good example is Youtube, which is owned by Google. Almost every damn time that I visit Youtube, it seems that something has been changed, for no apparent reason at all, and features that you are used to using are no longer there, or have been changed for the worse. That's not innovating, that's just being clueless.

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Yeah buying Motorola was a crazy thing..Google has def made some good products but it has no problem stealing on the way...they see that as innovating from the marketplace aka stealing.

 

Apple not innovating :iphone,ipad,ipod, ????

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Sure, let the other companies innovate so google can just copy everything again.  Friggin jerk.

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So it sounds like he's saying that all companies should do a billion different things, and hope that one of them works well enough to make enough money to fund the other 999,999,999 things that suck big donkey balls.

Google has ads served with search. Everything else they do, really, is mediocre, at best, and doesn't make them much money at all, if any. Good thing that's working out well for your, Mr. Page, because we all know that online ads will live (and provide revenue) forever.
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He's one to talk. Send Schmidt off to the gulag, torpedo Android... then you can talk, Larry.

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Wow, from the leader of the company with the biggest case of Copyitis ever. Me thinks the fellow is feeling a little defensive about all that. 

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This from Mr. "We copied the iPhone UI and UX and develop a whole plethora of products that suck and are half-assed." I'd rather be (and invest in) a company like Apple that has laser-sharp focus and pays close attention to detail -- that develops and sells a few really great products -- than......what Google does.

 

I don't like the attitudes any of the Google executives. 

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YouTube was bought

Chrome, a browser, isn't "crazy"

Android's foundation partially bought, and to make it attractive the ideas was stolen, then they added non-crazy ideas.

 

I will give them credit for other things that I would say are crazier (off the top of my head: their massive page indexing, streetview, some tech in their infrastructure like alternative power sources and cooling or willing to use any kind of hard drive in their storage cloud), but the examples quoted are weak.

 

And about Apple's small range of products being unsatisfying, it is that razor focus on a small number of products that allows Apple to make sure they are more useable and seamless than most of the other competing products.

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I have to agree here, if anybody out there in tech land is copying others it is Google.   After using my iPad 3 for almost a year now all I see in it is innovation and advancement of the art.   As you say it is sometime easy to mis Apples innovations because they are so fluidly integrated into the whole.

 

Interestingly I see iCloud as one of those areas where Apple has actually tried to innovate but many don't even give it the time of day.   I have highly mixed feelings with respect to iCloud as some things it does well and other things it is total fail.

 

Speaking of SSD, the technology might not be innovation on Apples part but leading it into the mainstream as far as secondary storage on cheap computers is.   In that regard AIR was true innovation in that they managed to find a way to offer what was once an expensive solution at a very affordable price.   people might not see that as innovation but if you have tried to lower the cost of any part in any product you will realize it is harder work then some seem to believe.

 

I see no advantage to Twitter for Apple.   I see it as a waste of money especially when it is fairly simple to integrate into IOS and apps.

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Android
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He's all talk.
Google are about as innovative as my left testicle. Amazon are far more innovative than Google in the last 5 years. And Apple blow both of them out of the water. Apple's products are so seamless and work so well, sometimes their innovation is invisible and not so obvious at a glance, unless you touch and use the products.

Three areas for future innovation for Apple are: even better UX on iOS (notice I didn't say more features), cloud services that are far more reliable, robust and fast, and an actual all-in-one TV product, that I've been wishing for for 7 years.

Everything else will be evolutionary for a few years, like the Retina transition, the SSD transition and other transitions.

I strongly believe Apple needs to switch to an iOS-like free update model on OS X.

And everyone here will likely disagree with me, but I think Apple needs to seriously consider purchasing Twitter. I'd go so far as to say they should buy Twitter. They should have 2 years ago. And I don't believe Twitter is not for sale, they'd sell to Apple for the right price. And Apple would make back that money in a year.
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Am I the only one in the freaking world who appreciates all of the things each of these large tech companies make? I love my iphone and MacBook, I live within my google world with email, calendars, contacts, mapping, etc. I communicate with a ton of my friends on Facebook, I use MS Office because I find it better for my uses than anything else, I find my Samsung tv absolutely stunning, my PS3 is awesome, as is my Apple TV for completely different reasons. I have Amazon Prime and a Kindle and couldnt imagine living without either anymore. Why am I being told all the time that I can't appreciate all these companies?
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His anticompetitive rant belies his and Schmidt's true beliefs: open up your privacy and be content with the resulting crap; after all, it's free! Their YouTube app is horrible and the non-standard player is a step backwards from Apple's 2007 app. Their Google labs projects and even gmail have humiliatingly bad interfaces, and the projects they push are all second-rate except Search. Even then, it's only the results that are impressive, their actual web pages are dog-slow bloated nonsense with odd behaviours; Google image search is still awful on both mac and iOS, loading completely unnecessary content and stuffing up what should be easy. There's no denying their genius in algorithmic finding of content, but they simply fail at everything else. Their ads are constantly tasteless or scammy, it shows their complete lack of discernment for even the "products" that make them dollars. And he talks about vision and innovation? What a joke.
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One of the things I love about google, they are not afraid to fail, and the bigger they fail the more they try. 

 

Oh for those who says google doesnt innovate, ha. The web/cloud as we know it today is built off of Google's innovations in servers and server management. icould, facebook, wouldn't exist without the ground breaking work google has done on the server side.

 

So google, keep building your crazy fiber network, keep fighting for internet freedom, keep investing billions in green energy, keep building weird looking glasses. Every company has their culture, and Google culture of pie in the sky, internet is a right attitude is an important one in the tech industry. 

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I think everyone said it, can someone site a product which good Innovated themselves and I mean they did not buy the technology or another company.

 

Here is the only thing I can come up with, Street View and the car that drive themselves to create Street View, Again the probably got the self driving technology from other people or universities. I know there were universities competitions to make a car drive itself and much of what their first car look like came from those competitions.

 

I think Google just improved on what was already outer, search engine, web advertising, a web browser a mobile operating system, the list goes on, oh maybe google apps are their innovation, yeah but the such and do not work all that well. Honesty if you going to claim you are an innovater then your products should be better than the guy in front of you, and most of their product are still catching up.

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He's one to talk. Send Schmidt off to the gulag, torpedo Android... then you can talk, Larry.

Chime in, Spam? Want to here my from my wizard friend! (I'm calling Spam a wizard, not referring to wiz69, just to be clear)
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His anticompetitive rant belies his and Schmidt's true beliefs: open up your privacy and be content with the resulting crap; after all, it's free! Their YouTube app is horrible and the non-standard player is a step backwards from Apple's 2007 app. Their Google labs projects and even gmail have humiliatingly bad interfaces, and the projects they push are all second-rate except Search. Even then, it's only the results that are impressive, their actual web pages are dog-slow bloated nonsense with odd behaviours; Google image search is still awful on both mac and iOS, loading completely unnecessary content and stuffing up what should be easy. There's no denying their genius in algorithmic finding of content, but they simply fail at everything else. Their ads are constantly tasteless or scammy, it shows their complete lack of discernment for even the "products" that make them dollars. And he talks about vision and innovation? What a joke.

Google Maps is amazing, so is google earth, gmail is still the best around, google now makes siri looks like childs play, and android is getting better day by day, chrome OS is the closest thing we have gotten to one laptop per child dream. Google is an AMAZING company with AMAZING talent. Google doesnt have to suck for apple to be great. I respect both companies for different reasons. 

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Google are about as innovative as my left testicle. Like Facebook, they are a glorified advertising company...

 

You are right on the money with this observation and I can't understand how anybody can think of Google any other way. Everything they do is about selling user information to advertisers. 

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"But it?s hard to find actual examples of really amazing things that happened solely due to competition," Page said. "How exciting is it to come to work if the best you can do is trounce some other company that does roughly the same thing?"

How interesting.  I guess the next time I read a post that says, "But we NEED Android to exist and compete against Apple or it will become complacent and not add any new features or upgrade it in any way because they need competition.", I can refer that person to this quote by Larry Page.  Sweet!

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post #28 of 191
Google is a good tech company, no doubt. But they largely are a product of part of the Apple philosophy of taking something that exists and make it better. Are any of the google products that work something they actually created? Or just improved?

The other side of the Apple coin brought us the Mass Market Personal Computer, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad. Countless other things where Apple may not have succeeded, but pushed technology further.
post #29 of 191
Hypocrite!!!! I don't want to be the 10th person to say that he is stealing other people's idea. But everyone already knows about it.
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Google Maps is amazing, so is google earth, gmail is still the best around, google now makes siri looks like childs play, and android is getting better day by day, chrome OS is the closest thing we have gotten to one laptop per child dream. Google is an AMAZING company with AMAZING talent. Google doesnt have to suck for apple to be great. I respect both companies for different reasons. 

 

And every single one of them was designed specifically for one purpose and one purpose only... to mine customer data and sell it. They are not an amazing company, they are a parasitic company.

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Am I the only one in the freaking world who appreciates all of the things each of these large tech companies make? I love my iphone and MacBook, I live within my google world with email, calendars, contacts, mapping, etc. I communicate with a ton of my friends on Facebook, I use MS Office because I find it better for my uses than anything else, I find my Samsung tv absolutely stunning, my PS3 is awesome, as is my Apple TV for completely different reasons. I have Amazon Prime and a Kindle and couldnt imagine living without either anymore. Why am I being told all the time that I can't appreciate all these companies?

Perhaps you should ask Larry?
post #32 of 191

Huh?

 

The only thing I like that Google has done recently is the Kansas City Fibre Optic internet for $30/mo. Taking the Cable companies to task for ripping us off!

 

I think I have the $ amount right. :)

 

Also, shout out to Walmart for the unlimited $50 iPhone plan...again, same goes for the telecom companies ripping us off! :) I think I have that right.

post #33 of 191
What a laughable interview.

What is creepy (other than his smile), however, is that he actually believes this stuff.
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Yeah, Google wants Apple to "innovate" and invent the next new thing no doubt, so that Google can copy it and come out with their own crappy version, just like with their phones and their crappy OS.

 

And sometimes it's better to do nothing than to "innovate" or change things just for the sake of changing things. A good example is Youtube, which is owned by Google. Almost every damn time that I visit Youtube, it seems that something has been changed, for no apparent reason at all, and features that you are used to using are no longer there, or have been changed for the worse. That's not innovating, that's just being clueless.

Right on. I never go to Youtube directly....but I do have to view the embedded videos in certain websites. Can nobody make a more serious youtube?

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Google has ads served with search. Everything else they do, really, is mediocre, at best, and doesn't make them much money at all, if any. Good thing that's working out well for your, Mr. Page, because we all know that online ads will live (and provide revenue) forever.

That describes Google in a nutshell! :)

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Wired: Steve Jobs felt competitive enough to claim that he was willing to “go to thermonuclear war” on Android.

Page: How well is that working?

Wired: Do you think that Android’s huge lead in market share is decisive?

Page: Android has been very successful, and we’re very excited about it. 

 

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"Speaking on the topic of Google X, the internet search giant's experimental products lab, Page said breakthroughs and non-incremental changes are key and questions why tech giants like Apple don't use their vast resources toward these goals."

oh but they do Larry - they just don't feel the need to trumpet it from the rooftops and use the media to keep their company in the headlines.
Apple release their innovations when the product is ready and when the market is ready. They learned the lessons years ago - you jumped up little whippersnapper !
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I love how he talks about YouTube as though Google had anything to do with its creation.
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Your one idea got you lots of money, good for you. You're worth 20 billion.  So every business CEO waits for your crumb of wisdom, NOT.

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And about Apple's small range of products being unsatisfying, it is that razor focus on a small number of products that allows Apple to make sure they are more useable and seamless than most of the other competing products.

Dig it! "Apple's small range of products...." I fart in Larry Page's general direction!

 

I thank Apple for this. I'm down to an iPad Mini ($325), iPhone 5 ($200), an Airport Express ($95), an ATV ($95) and when my orig. intel 20" iMac gives up the ghost I may, or may not, replace it with an MBA....all this for less than my iMac/iBook/iPod Nano combo ($3,000) back in 2005/06 (?) Now that's innovation! :)

 

P.S. Sold my iP4s to get iP5 (no out of pocket expense), sold my iPad2 to get my iPad Mini, (no out of pocket expense), sold my orig. ATV ($150) to get the latest ATV (no out of pocket expense). Sold my MacBook to get an iPad2. Tell me there's an Apple Tax? :) 

 

P.S.S. My D**khead brother-in-law has had to buy three HP POS desktops/laptops from Costco in the 6-7 years I've had my iMac.


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