Opera unveils new 'Ice' mobile web browser for iOS and Android - Page 2

 

Oh, it does! You don't need anything involving Flash, either vanilla or the Click2 variety. But apparently Google still hasn't made an HTML5 version of every video they have up, so he's having trouble seeing what he wants to see.

Where?

I do not have flash installed. Extensions make the browser slower and I just love the browser the way it is.

Where is the button? There isn't a "join" button. I go to that page, but every time search for a video it isn't html5. I also didn't understand how to play YT videos on quicktime without extensions. Can you explain that please?

 

It is called Scandinavian design. It is different from things that are not Scandinavian, but not for the sake of being different. 

 

1) www.youtube.com/html5 just as TS linked to.

2) Click the link on the site to join.



3) Play videos. There is no option from YouTube to pull the video out of the browser to play it in the QuickTime app nor do I understand why you would want to do that.


edit: Pipped by TS but leaving it in due to the odd communication issue in this thread.

Interesting... it doesn't appear. Maybe I already "joined"? If I did, html5 support on YT is a disgrace.

*ok, i was wrong. looks like i joined already. I can't play a 10th of the videos i want. I don't get it.

 

*for example, looks like vlc can open/view streams.

*same with MplayerX, my favourite.

 

however, everytime i try to open an URL, i get error.

Edited by pedromartins - 1/19/13 at 9:54am

Why don't you post some of these URLs you say won't play in an HTML5-capable browser.
Edited by SolipsismX - 1/19/13 at 11:34am

 

Fixed, sometime around 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTIGg3I5y8

(very important) :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR_2GD9CtI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j25IjHHOnpI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWD-mZSuKk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4rJqm-AiPM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuUu5D4zRoo

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8-4IKUntko

 

For example. (random videos of some channels i have.)

 

What about streams and feeds? (thanks for trying to help me)

Because Safari isn't specifically designed for screen formats seen on popular smartphones and tablets?

I checked every single one of those videos and tried various combinations of enabling/disabling HTML5 for YouTube, ClickToPlugin and ClickToFlash. I didn't have Flash installed at all. In all case it would up the old-timer analog TV snow with the message to install Flash. This is either a bug from Google or most likely intended behavior even for those that don't want to use the Flash plugin for YT videos.

I was able to get the audio to play — but no video, still the snow and message to install Flash — when I had the HTML5 test -and- ClickToPlugin enabled.

It looks like your only options are to:

1. Not install the Flash plugin, insead use Chrome for those videos. A simple method that is fairly unknown is to drag the Favicon from Safari to the Chrome icon in the Dock to autoload that URL currently in Safari.
2. Change your User Agent to Firefox, Chrome or iPad to make it work with just the HTML5 option enabled in YT. This will not work will all videos as the uploader has to enable it.
3. Install the Flash plugin but keep the HTML5 test on so that Flash is never called.

edit: Because I can get other browsers to work but not Safari (or Opera) the issue might not be with Google's tech or an artificial limitation. It may be that those are videos with ads. When I play the Share It Maybe video in Firefox and Chrome it tries to overlay ads. As you can see they are still working on getting the ad overlays to work properly.


Edited by SolipsismX - 1/19/13 at 12:32pm

"...the platform will be leveraged to generate users that will eventually be migrated over to new mobile apps." Wow, that really makes the future of Opera Mini clear and unambiguous guys, thanks.

 

So - yes - this is exactly the behavior that I see, and it seems completely independent of being in or out of the HTML5 trial, hence my original question. Currently I cannot find any videos on YouTube that work in Safari without adding extensions.

There are some, especially videos related to music.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VuN0g2zkrI

(my favourite video on youtube)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R_1Y_v14I8

(amy)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q7Zv_d409Y

(roger walkers)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbhmT1SMAlk

(heck, even this one plays. Very hot stuff)

 

Pretty much all concerts and similar stuff are html5.

Then you have Apple ads, etc.

 

The thing is, I truly wanted live streams and feeds without flash, but i can't test it because MplayerX has a bug with URLs. Can you help me? Do you have vlc? 

 

*it makes me sick that most tech channels are flash only.

 

OK - those do work. I was just trying a selection from the "most popular" list, and everything was failing.

I think it is on propose, I really do. Create a gmail account and look how many steps and small checkboxes you have to click to:delete your account, make emails sent to gmail to your main account so you do not have to use gmail (iCloud), what happens when you open google.com on some browser ("install a faster and better browser, chrome!"), etc.

 

Then download random programs (like adobe reader, utorrent, etc) and you have a checkbox to install chrome, and you must uncheck TO NOT install it.

 

For me, they use the same BS strategy on youtube for us to install flash, just like adobe does/did with reader/chrome.

You lost me again. I just tried the Cookie Monster video in VLC on Mac OS X and it plays fine. Why not use it if MPlayerX isn't working?

You know, every single time i use Safari on my iPad (or iPhone) I'm just completely dumb-founded as to why they haven't implemented a swipe to go back gesture, like on the desktop, or a pinch out to go into back mode, again, like on the desktop, when both of these things are infinitely more useful, faster, and intuitive using touch. Its just absolutely ridiculous that to go back you need to make such a careful, tiresome motion, moving your finger to hit a tiny button in the top left of the screen, sand same thing with tabs, which are so tiny and shitty touch points. I'd pay money for a safari with these 2 features, because quite honestly it would make the browsing experience so much more enjoyable. Absolutely, stunningly, ridiculous. I assume this stuff would at least be added in ios6 - but no. Apparently, it has more priority on the desktop, which makes absolutely no sense.

I will give it a try. The thing is that MPlayerX is just a superior player and every single way you look at it, plus it's on the App Store and that's great. It's just this annoying bug... Anyway, thanks for your help. You make this place a better place.

I can think of one way VLC is better.

BTW, I've tested with success all the videos from post #49 with a 100% success rate. Complete fail in both MPlayerX and QuickTimeX. Must be the 'X' since that's the common factor.

You are right.

 

Makes no sense be on the desktop first, but with Apple's trackpad those gestures makes safari for mac the best browsing experience we can get on a desktop, nothing comes close.

 

However I agree that we should have it on the iPad since day 1. At least Opera will "make" them implement this sort of things faster.

C'mon, I'm ready :) (is it because of the URL bug? looks like it only happens on 10.8.2. A quick fix will come)

That's just a bug (MplayerX).

 

Besides, I "can't" use VLC anymore. MplayerX UI, amazing and useful gestures, ability to always maintain aspect ratio when resizing the video, ability to remember when you last stopped (even when you close the app and open again), ability to go from ep1 to ep2 to ep3 (etc) automatically, makes MplayerX much superior, especially when you consider that it even plays more formats than VLC...

 

When this bug is fixed, it's 100-0.

Do you have "QuickTime Player 7"?

http://support.apple.com/downloads/#quicktime

 

Cheers

Are you implying that those who likes Opera is mentally wrong? How about people who use Safari is terribly terribly wrong as well? Now, I don't use Opera, but it has pioneered many of the features that were "different" and later adopted by all of the popular browsers today. A lot of these ideas were then borrowed by IE, FF, Safari, and Chrome. What do feel that's "different" about the Opera browser? I, for one, thank that they were different so that I can enjoy some of the features that we have today on all browsers.

 

1. One of the first to implement "tab browsing".

2. The first to implement "speed dial".

3. The first to implement "delete private data".

4. The first to implement "pop-up blocker".

I had it up until ML. I was under the (mistaken) impression it won't work with ML because it's PPC. I just installed it. No luck. Looks like VLC is still the best last resort for media even if it is the ugliest most janky interface I've ever had the displeasure of seeing.

People still use Windows?

" Ice is based on WebKit, the same engine used by both Apple and Google"

should be "Ice is based on Apple's WebKit, the same engine used by Google's Android"

 

Yeah, but swap Android with Chrome.

It makes me sick that most tech channels have their heads so far up Google's ass they can see the back of Eric Schmidt's throat.

I'm pretty sure they're looking at his large intestine.

i'm curious if opera is axing presto for webkit not because of choice but because they have to. Because of Apple's restrictions on browser makers using their own rendering engine and having to skin over the webkit (without Apple's Nitro) engine. Browser makers have been trying to figure out how to push out products on iOS for years, Ice is just another product in that vein. Maybe one day we can just get real official apps with their genuine rendering engines.

Large indeed. He ties with George Lucas for largest collar size.

Eric is so full of it, do you think that free rectal screening would actually reveal anything but dark matter?

 

At work a lot of us don't get much choice, although I have to say Windows 7 is generally a pretty decent OS - although that just might be in comparison to the demon spawn that was Vista...

 

At home I'm still trying to save for a Macbook Pro so I alternate between my iPad, mid 2011 Mac Mini (Mountain Lion) and a windows 7 laptop depending what I'm doing and which room I'm in at the time...

Do not buy a Macbook pro at all, unless it is a retina model. I don't know what you need your mac to do, but I'm almost certain that a macbook pro is a very very stupid thing to buy right know. (that's my advice).

 

Why? The Air is much faster, unless you put an SSD model on the MBP. The air is much lighter, same battery life, has a screen with more resolution... But f*ck that... The huge difference is the SSD.

 

Then rumours are saying that Apple will kill the MBP, and that makes sense. I wouldn't buy a model that is going to be killed right after.

 

Both retina models are the best laptops available, but since they are version 1, you should wait a few months (since you are still in the progress of getting the necessary money). Most likely if Apple kills the regular pro-models (there's a big chance that this will happen) the retina models will be a little cheaper (version 2).

 

 

The current MacBook Pro is an excellent machine, and I don't know why you would tell someone not to buy one.

 

It is only a RUMOR that the current form factor is going to be replaced by the Retina models, but I honestly don't see that happening this year. The price of the Retina models is still too high.

 

Apple may axe the drives this year in the non-Retina models, but that would be a negative for most people anyway.

 

Anyway @DaveMcM76 save up for your MacBook Pro and you won't regret it. It'll last you a good long time too. My MacBook before it is still running today 7 years strong.

I'm sure there would be nuggets of information about his diet.