Wait, are you questioning that there is a greater than average amount of corruption in China?
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
That's Google alright. For a stupid company they sure do dumb things.
Wait, are you questioning that there is a greater than average amount of corruption in China?

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It could be that they simply registered a bunch of names just in case. I found these Apple trademarks in China, as well:
IPOD PAD
IPOD SLATE
IPOD TABLET
APPLE PAD
APPLE TAB
There's a scale; it's graded worldwide.
None of which changes the fact that the patent is for a "mobile device" design, and includes the specific radius of the corners of the solid lines. To state that Apple is patenting "rounded rectangles" is very simply a falsehood.
The articles that you claimed "misrepresented" the patent (before it was explained how design patents are drawn) did not state that Apple had patented "rounded rectangles" (plural). They used the singular:
Your point about the patent being for a specific corner radius ratio could be a good one (*). That should likely also apply to the length/width ratio. So, what you're saying is, even if other "display devices" use a rounded rectangle, it's not copying as long as they use different ratios, correct?
(*) I'm looking up to see how close these things have to be to infringe with design patents. I'm more familiar with trademarks and trade dress. Ah okay. Interesting:
1) For design patents, the Egyptian Goddess case established that the main test is if an "ordinary observer", who has been exposed to prior art, doesn't think the patented design is obvious, and if they see no difference. In other words, if the accused shape is not seen as clearly different, it can infringe. However, if the patented shape is seen as obvious, the accused cannot infringe.
2) For trademarks, the test is if an ordinary consumer would be fooled into buying the wrong product. That's actually harder to prove. Even if the cases were identical, other identifying marks such as brandnames can be enough to prevent confusion. (Think about how similar bottles and boxes look at the pharmacy. Even with similar colors, you still have to look at the brandname. Courts have often ruled that a consumer cannot be fooled if a similar looking item has a different and well known brandname.)
Perhaps most pertinently, Apple didn't care about exact radii at the recent California trial:
" Apple argued vigorously that the overall visual impression of the accused Samsung tablet and smart phone designs were substantially similar to its patented designs. Conversely, and strategically, Samsung focused on differences in detail. Indeed, Samsung challenged Apple’s witnesses by pointing out differences in the precise radius of curvature for each corner of the devices when compared to Apple’s patented design." - designpatentattorney.com
I get the feeling that you think people are inherently evil. I suggest that the truth is far less menacing.
Sometimes people generalize. Sometimes people repeat what they read somewhere. Especially these days, tech blogs are often quite incorrect. Sometimes people are too busy to learn new facts. Sometimes people just aren't aware of important details, such as when you jumped all over those articles about design patents.
The point is, you don't need to constantly be calling other people "dishonest" or "liars", just because of their mistakes or if you disagree with their opinions. At least, not unless you want the same names applied to you, for the same reasons.
People can debate and point out mistakes without using insults or engaging in personal attacks.
An interesting rounded rectangle 1981 apple story.
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt

An interesting rounded rectangle 1981 apple story.
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt
Thank you. That is a cool tale.
I especially liked the bit about the math shortcut. In the early days, figuring out how to speedily calculate and draw required lots of inventive thinking.
Like that story, I remember having to figure out binary multiplication and division on a very slow microprocessor around 1979. I needed it for 3D graphics transformations, and later, Fourier analysis for speech recognition. I ended up creating a binary logarithm lookup table. As everyone knows, especially those who grew up with slide rules, to multiply you simply add two logs. To divide, just subtract. Then do a reverse lookup to find the real number. Voila!
This is a reason why I'm glad we didn't have major companies involved in a software patent arms race back then. Every day you had to invent a basic function, and often you'd find later on that someone else with the same need had invented the same thing. If every developer at every company had had to come up with different ways to draw lines, circles, look up data, etc, without infringing someone else's similar idea, it would've been very difficult for complicated projects like the Macintosh to come to fruition.
And sometimes people -- and I mean you -- come here and bullshit about how they created browser engines with their bare hands and have decades of multitouch development experience.
Did you ever notice that it's the people lying through their teeth who talk about how it's not nice to talk about how dishonest people are?
I wonder why that is?
The depth of my knowledge and experience is visible in my posts. I have seen none in yours.
"Decades of touch experience" is what I said. I talked a bit about my early 1990s capacitive touch experiences in this post and this one. The browsers I talked about in this post.
Those things are just a tiny fraction of what I've been involved with since I took my first programming courses at UNC-CH back in 1971. I've been a Sergeant in a Tactical Electronic Warfare unit on the Korean DMZ (329th ASA - 2ID), written entire UIs in assembler / C / Java, wrote and sold home computer software, customized and ported OSes, worked in startups and major corporations, written a book on a multitasking OS, designed a multinational casino touch system, been head of an interactive TV lab for a major carrier, and for the past fifteen years I've coded handheld touch systems for field techs. And that's still not everything, not by a long shot.
You must be very young or very inexperienced to not understand what a full career and life can involve. I suspect there are quite a few people reading these forums who have similar long experiences in various fields.
Did you ever notice that it's the people lying through their teeth who talk about how it's not nice to talk about how dishonest people are? I wonder why that is?
What I've noticed in thirty years of being online, is that there's always a few people who try to hide their ignorance or laziness or insecurity behind personal attacks.
If you think someone's facts are incorrect, then you should have no problem finding and intelligently presenting counter facts. Unfortunately, it's pretty obvious from your post history that you won't ever make such an effort. It's much easier for you to just label everyone else a liar. I'm sad for you, and frankly, I"m sad for a forum whose mods allow such attacks to drag it down.
Which is ironically often what consumers end up doing. Just look at the huge aftermarket for iPad products to improve grip, or protect the device & screen from falls or environment, or to add a keyboard, etc.
People often ask why no one came up with the iPad design before Apple. The answer is, they did. We saw it in small company products, science fiction, and Apple fan concepts.
It's just that no major manufacturer ever dreamed that millions of people would actually want to buy a glass fronted device that seemed so impractical, with no inherent protection from a fall. Certainly companies using tablets in harsh field conditions did not, and they were the primary buyers back then and preferred ruggedized devices.
Making a style statement instead, is something only a company like Apple can accomplish. Kudos to them!

Sorry for the delayed reply. I've been traveling.
You raise some GREAT points, although, at the end of the day, it's somewhat impressionistic and based on your personal experience, not data-driven. The clincher (for me) is when you claim "We see more variety within a single "race' than we see within a syntype across all "races" and then go on to justify it with an example of a person of Japanese descent that you know in Brazil.
First, Brazil (and perhaps even Latin America, more generally) is a poor example, since over generations, it has become more of a multi-ethnic mix than most places (although not entirely). With the exception of certain counties that have a high proportion of native populations (Bolivia, Peru), this is true of LatAm more than anywhere else.
Second, consider parts of the world with huge populations: China (1.3B, Han descent), India (1.1B, Negroid/Caucasian/Mongoloid/Aboriginal descent), Europe (600M, largely white), Japan (130M, ?? descent), Indonesia etc. These are all fairly ethically homogeneous countries at this point. To claim that the variety among whites within Europe is greater than the variety in 'those in poverty' across these countries is questionable. Perhaps in a strictly economic sense, but not when it comes to a whole additional bundle of attributes that need to be factored in, such as language, religion, food, dress, looks, non-verbal communication cues, entertainment etc. For example, Manmohan Singh is likely much closer to a poor Indian on all those dimensions than he is to Barack Obama or David Cameron.
I think what you're saying is perhaps true is a small minority of highly educated, highly well-off socio-economic across most countries (in that they like their PCs and good cars and washing machines and Polo LR and Hollywood and Coca Cola), but I don't think it applies to a vast majority. I think you're over-generalizing.

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The depth of my knowledge and experience is visible in my posts. I have seen none in yours.
"Decades of touch experience" is what I said. I talked a bit about my early 1990s capacitive touch experiences in this post and this one. The browsers I talked about in this post.
Great, now, how do we verify that? After all, on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.
Normally, I wouldn't care what anyone's background is, since its irrelevant, but, since you attempt to use your "credentials" to give validity to your "arguments", you're fair game.

Apple's recent design patents, at least any I've read, are typically broad rather than highly detailed and restrictive. And yes FWIW, Apple has filed for and been granted a US design patent on a rounded rectangle shape for an electronic device and not for "all the details that make an iPad an iPad"
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/11/apple-awarded-design-patent-for-actual-rounded-rectangle/
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/7/3614506/apple-patents-rectangle-with-rounded-corners
It might be just me, but while Apple might abuse the situation, the main fault here lies with the United States of America's Patent Office, which is failing to do its job. Patent too wide --> patent not granted, apply again.
I'd like to have a patent on "an innovative new method". No, that's the patent description. Its main characteristics is being innovative, you see?
Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.
Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.

Great, now, how do we verify that? After all, on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.
Normally, I wouldn't care what anyone's background is, since its irrelevant, but, since you attempt to use your "credentials" to give validity to your "arguments", you're fair game.
He at least knows enough to use the right technical references in the right place. That gives him more credibility than you credit him for.
He's urbane. You're not.
He justifies his thoughts with verifiable sources. You don't.
On top of it, you're now angling the debate towards "you KDarling need to give out your personal details so that I anonymouse might consider to possibly maybe even give you a pretense of listening to". You know what? Who the **** should care about your opinion now that you've shown how insulting, disrespectful and aggressive you can be? Unpleasant, am I? Then don't do the same.
I think what he says is worth reading, and what you've said in this thread is not. Note that I'm not writing you off entirely, just your contribution to this debate. Let's say it's a bad day.
And if you don't care about anything, feel free to ignore my opinion. It's just an opinion.
Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.
Social Capitalist, dreamer and wise enough to know I'm never going to grow up anyway... so not trying anymore.
I agree. Sure innovation should be in the forefront of Apple's plans, but obviously they're in a market where replicating (however poorly or superior) and taking ideas is almost necessary for evolution and advancement. Litigation is necessary to try to protect what's yours and I don't see anything wrong with that. Apple protecting its brand by securing the likeness of the iPad isn't anything we should be opposed to.
"Apple is also moving to position its premium products as more affordable within the Chinese market, introducing installment payments that allow customers to take up to 24 months to pay off their purchases."
Is this really true? Why is that just being implemented in the Chinese market?
“Apple has likely approached maximum penetration in China’s higher economic stratas, and now needs to be able to appeal to students, workers and rural residents sustain robust growth,”
Why shouldn't financing be available in the US considering it is "the best route to make expensive luxury items affordable to those unable to save the cash for them" ? Am I naive to think that even if this was implemented, Apple would still hold it's "status symbol tag" ?