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Kind of hard to do when Apple is the only one that can make Macs.

Then write your own OS or use a different OS. You knew Apple only sold their OS for their PCs when first bought a Mac.

You have no right to dictate how Apple should run their business. Unless you can change the laws of the free market that require Apple to build a machine that suits your needs only then you will have to deal with whatever life hands you.
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They are not obscure problems these are the problems that effect the majority of computer users and all Apple offers are computers that are made for niche markets.

Oh yeah? Then why does Apple have the over 90% marketshare of PCs over $1000? Why do laptops, the most popular PC sold, have only one HDD? Why is the MacBook the most popular PC in the US according to Apple?
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So I have to buy an enormous case that has twice as many drives as I need, two processor which I don't need, two optical drives which I don't need, and more expansion ports then I know what to do with? I'll pass.

 

So you want exactly what you want, screw everyone else's potential use cases?


You can have that, piece of cake. Unfortunately your use case seems to flit between reality and fantasy (as well as good and bad), so you're in a bit of a pickle.


You need an internal back up drive. Off site storage is fine (I have this) but I need to have two back ups for my work I don't feel comfortable with only one.

 

That's good! I've heard myself that having three drives in parity—at least one off-site—is the "only" way to be safe. But you certainly don't need an internal backup drive for the computer to work. That's nonsense. 

 

And you certainly don't need an internal backup drive. Time Capsule or a hard drive connected to an AirPort Extreme works just fine. No desk clutter.


I can't believe we still make computers that have one drive in them in the year 2013.

 

I can't believe you don't understand that two internal drives isn't necessary.


The fusion drive doesn't provide the back up functions I need.

 

No, and I didn't pitch it as such. A regular user would be confused as heck if he saw this:

 

 

"Where's my stuff?!"

 

That's why the two physically separate drives of Fusion Drive appear within the OS as one drive icon. They don't need to—the tech would allow them to appear separate—but they do. Because Apple's about simplicity of use.

 

Bit of humor: all of my drives are internal. lol.gif I have externals, but these are all in.

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Why do laptops, the most popular PC sold, have only one HDD?

They are portable devices where being thin and light is a priority.

 

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You knew Apple only sold their OS for their PCs when first bought a Mac.

And unfortunately I made the faulty assumption that they would still have a decent desktop line when I need to upgrade my computer. Opps

 

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That's good! I've heard myself that having three drives in parity—at least one off-site—is the "only" way to be safe. But you certainly don't need an internal backup drive for the computer to work. That's nonsense. 

You seem to be confused as to what an all in one computer is. If you have to plug in an external drive to make your set up work then it is no longer an all in one computer.

 

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So you want exactly what you want, screw everyone else's potential use cases?

When did I say screw everyone else? You can still buy your iMac or MacPro but I don't want to be forced to use options that don't work for me.

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post

You seem to be confused as to what an all in one computer is. If you have to plug in an external drive to make your set up work then it is no longer an all in one computer.

 

Right. And you don't. So there it is.


You can still buy your iMac or MacPro but I don't want to be forced to use options that don't work for me.

 

Hey, I think you're getting it.

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You seem to be confused as to what an all in one computer is. If you have to plug in an external drive to make your set up work then it is no longer an all in one computer.

Right. And you don't. So there it is.
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You can still buy your iMac or MacPro but I don't want to be forced to use options that don't work for me.

Hey, I think you're getting it.

This is blatant trolling with quotes out of context.
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Originally Posted by Vaelian View Post
This is blatant trolling with quotes out of context.

 

Not in the slightest, but okay.

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Right. And you don't. So there it is.

You don't what? Have to back up your computer? I guess you don't HAVE to back it up but I think it is safe to say that most people have files that they don't want to lose therefore back up would be essential.

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You don't what? Have to back up your computer? I guess you don't HAVE to back it up but I think it is safe to say that most people have files that they don't want to lose therefore back up would be essential.

 

Original argument:


The iMac is not a whole package computer and [You need an internal back up drive.] to make it function properly.

 

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you certainly don't need an internal backup drive for the computer to work.

 

And that's that. You're wrong, and you're changing the argument.

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They are portable devices where being thin and light is a priority.

You are still confused by the simple concept that it's not your company, it's not your decision, and that Apple clearly feels the changes they have made to the entire product line is a priority.
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You seem to be confused as to what an all in one computer is. If you have to plug in an external drive to make your set up work then it is no longer an all in one computer.

So those port interfaces on the device are for show?
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You can still buy your iMac or MacPro but I don't want to be forced to use options that don't work for me.

Which is why you are not required to buy a fucking Mac. But on the flip side Apple is not required to custom build Macs to suit your needs if they don't want to.


PS: it's funny how you keep saying the new iMacs are dog slow despite you using a G5 iMac from 2005 and these new iMacs being the fastest Apple has ever released. You can't see how nutty you sound?

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So those port interfaces on the device are for show?

No, they are for temporarily plugging in devices but if you have a drive plugged in all the time then it is more like an extension to the computer. That is not what the iMac is supposed to do. It is supposed to be an all in one computer which it is not. The iMac is also not a mid range computer.

 

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Which is why you are not required to buy a Mac.

Yes I am required to buy a Mac since my Mac software that I have accumulated over the past nine years won't run on Windows or Linux obviously. This is not about what Apple wants, Apple did not pay for my computer I paid for my computer and I use that computer. I don't care what they want I am the one that has to use the product.

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No, they are for temporarily plugging in devices but if you have a drive plugged in all the time then it is more like an extension to the computer. That is not what the iMac is supposed to do. It is supposed to be an all in one computer which it is not. The iMac is also not a mid range computer.

So people who use Ethernet cables, wired keybaord and mice, and additional monitors on their AIOs aren't doing it right if they leave those devices plugged in? Good one¡
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Yes I am required to buy a Mac since my Mac software that I have accumulated over the past nine years won't run on Windows or Linux obviously. This is not about what Apple wants, Apple did not pay for my computer I paid for my computer and I use that computer. I don't care what they want I am the one that has to use the product.

No, no you're not.

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post
It is supposed to be an all in one computer which it is not. The iMac is also not a mid range computer.

 

Neither of these statements are true, and repeating them isn't going to change that. It's just that simple!

 

Either stop complaining and buy something that isn't Apple, or stop complaining and buy something that IS.

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Either stop complaining and buy something that isn't Apple, or stop complaining and buy something that IS.

Or I can keep complaining until people snap to their senses and realize what a steaming pile of crap their desktop line is. But then again when you are dealing with  fan boys as delusional as you that can be a pretty tall order.

 

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No, no you're not.


What am I going to do just throw away at least $3,000 worth of software and rebuy that $3,000 worth of software on a PC?

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post
Or I can keep complaining until people snap to their senses and realize what a steaming pile of crap their desktop line is.

 

It isn't. So again, enjoy your fantasy world.


What am I going to do just throw away at least $3,000 worth of software and rebuy that $3,000 worth of software on a PC?

 

$20 on Mountain Lion and $0 on Virtual Box. 

 

For someone with a PowerMac and "thousands of dollars of software", you don't seem to know much about computers.

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Or I can keep complaining until people snap to their senses and realize what a steaming pile of crap their desktop line is. But then again when you are dealing with  fan boys as delusional as you that can be a pretty tall order.

I bought the high-end 27" default build save for getting a 3.1TB Fusion Drive as a BTO option. I'm quite happy with that choice but I can name a billion ways in which I want it and rest of the universe to be a little different to suit my specific need. Whether that's in my or the Universe's best interest is another story but it's also moot since I have no say in such matters. I waited for the iMac refresh and choose the best option for my needs. Life is all about choosing the best option and you fail at life if you can't figure that out.

So tell me why is the 27" iMac I bought a steaming pile of crap when it far exceeds my needs and appears to making plenty of others happy? Why do you think you get to decide what is best for all Mac buyers? Why do you think you should be able to dictate to Apple the products they should make? And make no mistake that is exactly what you inferred with your elitist crap when you wrote "until people snap to their senses."
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What am I going to do just throw away at least $3,000 worth of software and rebuy that $3,000 worth of software on a PC?

That's up to you. I've already stated many obvious options available to you. You have to decide which is the best option moving forward, assuming you actually wish to move forward. Note that everything I've written has shown you have the option to make a choice.

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For someone with a PowerMac and "thousands of dollars of software", you don't seem to know much about computers.

If he had't lied so many times in this thread already I'd ask what SW he has that is suited to run on 7yo PPC architecture and a modern system that can't run any PPC apps

A 2005 iMac could only take a maximum of 2GB of RAM, according to MacTracker and we're suppose to believe that the 2012 21.5" iMac is dog slow lest we be Kool-Aide drinking fanboy iSheep.

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I just wanted to finish this discussion with one last post to gain some perspective on this topic. After Steve came back to Apple the following is the product line he released up to the point that I bought my Mac in 2005.

98 - iMac G3
99 - PowerMac G3, Colorful iBook
2000 - Cube
2001 - All new laptops for both consumers and pros (white iBook, Powerbook G4)
2002 - All new iMac redesign, Xserve, Xraid
2003 - All new PowerMac redesign
2004 - All new iMac redesign
2005 - Mini

Every single Mac shown above is either a total redesign of an existing product or an entirely new product. This covers a period of seven years. It has now been eight years since 2005 and the number of major desktop redesigns or all new desktops has been zero. I am not necessarily saying they have to come out with a new product or redesign every year but we are now pushing a DECADE without any new desktops. Why is this? Because they got the basic product line so perfected that they only need to make tiny evolutionary updates now days? oh pleeeeeeeeeeease.

The Mini doesn’t even make sense to have in their product line. It’s a low end computer from a company that has spent 15 years almost entirely making resource intensive multimedia apps. We have discussed and agreed that the iMac is not the mid range that Apple needs to have. The MacPro is not even that much of a high end because it contains processors that are not the fastest on the market. Anyways I am done now. I will leave you guys to get back to glugging your Kool-aid.
 

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post

It has now been eight years since 2005 and the number of major desktop redesigns or all new desktops has been zero.

 

Nice try, but that's completely and utterly wrong, just like much of what you've said before.


…we are now pushing a DECADE without any new desktops.

 

I've been having a really terrible time lately. Things like this make it so much better.


oh pleeeeeeeeeeease.


We have discussed and agreed that the iMac is not the mid range that Apple needs to have.

 

[clip from Monsters, Inc. where Mike goes, "We, whoa whoa, we? There's no we…"]


The MacPro is not even that much of a high end because it contains processors that are not the fastest on the market.

 


 Anyways I am done now. I will leave you guys to get back to glugging your Kool-aid.

 

Thanks for leaving. Feel free to come back if you decide to tell the truth, though!

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I...and the number of major desktop redesigns or all new desktops has been zero [since 2005].

What a fucking nut! We're talking about a time frame that is 2 year prior to Apple switching from PPC to Intel yet he's claim there were zero major redesigns since PPC today to today despite the very aggressive changes to the iMac that he's been whining about for days. I am dumbfounded by how someone can be so disconnected from reality.

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Oh yeah, I forgot to post the links that backed up my comments about the MacPro:

 

From MacLife: Has Apple Abandoned Mac Pro Users?

http://www.maclife.com/article/features/has_apple_abandoned_mac_pro_users
 

MacPro Petition on Facebook with nearly 19,000 likes:

http://www.facebook.com/MacProsPlease

 

People are astonishingly questioning my creditability so I should have added those links. Ok now I'm done.

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Originally Posted by pik80 View Post

…likes…

 

Soli, it's time to face facts. We live in a new world. A world where logic and reason just don't matter. "Likes" do.

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In Dutch pik means dick, so I guess he lives up to his (user)name.

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Apple's latest earnings report (if me recalls correctly, that was this week) suggests that Apple is DOOMED, I say DOOMED, did you hear me?   Utterly DOOMED.  

 

Guess it was because of all that day-dreaming they did for so long.  Couldn't be any good anymore because lots of people (possibly entirely random Apple-haters who can vote seven times each) agree.  Guess I should cancel my iMac order...

 

PS 55,000 people like this post, and I have spoken to all of them, personally.

 

I need a drink.


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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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