Laurene Powell Jobs promoting US immigration reform with new website - Page 2

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Originally Posted by maclancer 


You don't get it, these kids were brought to this land by their parents. Some of these kids are great in science and math, they can be the software engineer of the future. But you don't think as a business. Obama and the folks who support the dream act know that is a great business for the country because some of these kids are pretty smart and talented in their classes. They can even be the future Steve Jobs. Think like a business man and you will get it.

Even more, they're highly motivated. They're the working strength of America, opposite to the general middle class white men who don't work that much but feel "entitled" to job security, and based on that "entitlement" feel so annoyed at "illegal" immigrants.

As for the quotes aroudnd "illegal", that's because I'm still not convinced a country should be allowed to restrict immigration. In my personal opinion, it's a huge breach of the human right to move around...

Also, while Steve wasn't brought in by illegal patents, his Syrian father wasn't exactly an American. Where would Apple be without Steve Jobs?

So you are saying what Jobs is wife is doing is really not caring about immigration of the parents that came here illegally and raised their children to become good American stewards of the land.She is a hypocrite in essence you are bringing out.
 

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Originally Posted by wizard69 

it is very saddening that somebody that is supposedly intelligent could support something as stupid as the dream act.     They seem to forget the most important element in the description of these people, they are illegal alien and frankly should be hanged.    Not because of an evil hatred as some liberal would imply but as an effective deterrent to a continuing influx of illegals.   The economy simply cant support the welfare establishment required to support these people.

 

As a side note it isn't surprising this comes form a liberal Californian as those people are to damn lazy to mow their own lawns.    

As a conservative moderate I am for many provisions in the Dream Act.  For example the Dream Act allows illegals to join the military for an 8 year commitment to earn permanent residency and citizenship.  That's a lot more than a lot of folks here have done including myself. 

Illegal aliens with college degrees are a net plus to the economy, not a drag.  So I'm also for the provisions for letting children of illegals that have managed to get a 2 or 4 year degree to earn their citizenships.  Preferably with some required service to the country.

Frankly the difference between the US and a lot of other developed nations with negative population growth is immigration (legal and not).  That the US is a military superpower is due to both economy and population.  You think we're casualty adverse now?  There's a reason that the PRC military is dominated by service members from rural areas that were not under the 1 child policy.  Parents and grandparents with only one child/grandchild aren't too keen on promoting military service as a career.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/002812-is-negative-population-growth-upon-us-deaths-exceed-births-one-third-us-counties

Some folks have negatively described the US as the new Roman Empire.  Me, I don't think it's negative given that I'm a modern Roman citizen enjoying the benefits of such.  I am not apologetic at all about that nor the benefits that America enjoys because of geographic and population advantages (3rd largest population).  

The cautionary tale is that when the citizens are no longer willing to serve in the military we're ripe to be the fallen Roman empire.  Immigrants, legal or otherwise, willing to serve to become citizens are to my advantage and to the advantage of my kids.

So call me stupid or liberal if you want but I'm not so dumb that I cannot count noses nor so heartless as to advocate hanging children because their parents brought them here illegally.

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Originally Posted by wizard69 

You really don't get it do you, they are here illegally that is the sole problem here.   It has become obvious that deporting them has not helped the situation one bit so the obvious choice here is a short rope and a tall tree.

If everyone who obviously deserved a short rope and a tall tree got what they deserved there's be a lot of people hanging from trees.

Let's first start with those advocating short ropes and tall trees as the solution to any real world problems...

And this is why you should never mix business with politics. It brings out the left and right wing people who would normally sing harmonious praise for Apple and pit them against each other.

Just remember Americans, all of your ancestors are immigrants unless you are red Indian.

Originally Posted by Evilution 

Just remember Americans, all of your ancestors are immigrants unless you are red Indian.

They're immigrants, too, unless we're counting "everyone after the first" to be immigrants, which isn't the case.

The USA is the only country in the world I know of that you can be a foreigner from another country, show up legally or illegally, have a baby and that child automatically becomes a US citizen.   If you seen any sense or logic in that, then please explain it to me and all the unemployed US citizens.

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Originally Posted by vqro 

People like you like to hate people that are different than you on the excuse that they committed the outrageous crime of crossing an imaginary line to feed their family.  But you guys will never mention the real problem... corporations that hire undocumented folks.  Wallow in your hate for human beings.
 

You seem to be full of hate for human beings - if they don't agree with your personal views.

Thanks for sharing it. 

I am reading what Jobs wife is doing and saying she is partaking in the right way about these people.
 

There are plenty of these in the states.Money is everything to them not being fair or humane.