Well, I'm not aware how to bypass parental restrictions short of jail-breaking the device or something. And if you're not really a kid, and it's not your parent that set the restrictions, then of course, it's OK that you can click through: you have been warned, and you're a responsible adult.
Originally Posted by rcfa
Exactly WHAT is rated 17+ if not "explicit" content? I mean, what's the point of being able to download a variety of Kamasutra apps, but you can't download an app that might *possibly* be used to access *some* pictures that *might* be construed as being pornographic?
That gets covered here:
Apparently sexual content and nudity is allowed but not graphic content. That word 'graphic' is really what's the problem. The following apps have nudity and have managed a 17+ rating:
so I guess it would come down to the presentation and the amount. If you uploaded an app full of topless girls, the nudity wouldn't be graphic in the sense of pornogaphy but the app's purpose would be titillation. If it makes you reach for your zipper, it's graphic. I haven't seen many people doing that in an art gallery so that kind of nudity has to have a more acceptable presentation.
The thing is, "real" art should not have any age restriction. Do you really think they stop kids from seeing the Acropolis in Athens or the Arthistorical Museum in Vienna or any decent art museum in the world, because there are nude sculptures or paintings in there? Art collectors all over the world have nude paintings in their living rooms, in full sight of creatures of all ages. Heck, until Ashcroft decided to drape a curtain over her, even the statue of Justice in de DOJ was a nude sculpture. You can walk into many catholic cathedrals and you see naked Adam and Eve on paintings. The whole point of age restrictions is exactly for when it stops being art and it starts being porn.
After all, tits are made for kids. Are they going to blindfold babies and tie their hands behind their backs before they can be breast fed? Or is it now child porn when parents take pictures of their 2 year old running naked on the beach? And what if iPhoto and Aperture start having nudity detection? Can't upload your private pictures to your photostream anymore or have the feds knock down your doors because of child porn because of some nude baby pictures on a photostream for relatives?
Someone in Cupertino please start having a brain, the situation is absurd.
Didn't know Apple, with the devil's symbol of the bitten Apple of Eve as corporate logo, is now run by the Amish or some other puritans...
"We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone ... Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone"
"You know, there's a porn store for Android. You can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go - so we're not going to go there."
I'm all for Apple not having porn in their store, if they allow for alternative sources of content download. If Google blocks porn in their store, then you can go to some other store. But if Apple wants to be the single source of content, they should then allow more liberal policies, provided things are rated according to the content. I have no problem with them banning people who try to sneak in software with a lower than applicable rating, but that was not the case from what I understand.
Although people are calling everything on 500px 'art' simply on a reactionary basis, the fact is a lot of it is also pornographic art. I don't want it to be banned from the store but that's because I like looking at it. I wouldn't want young kids who are interested in photography to be able to download it and see women bent over tables with their legs spread open. Yes they can find that in Google if they search for it and turn off the filter, yes they would technically be downloading an app with a rating they shouldn't be downloading and it's the parents to blame but the app is still violating Apple's policies.
Originally Posted by rcfa
As long as porn is legal, and as long as the app is rated 17+, Apple should stand back.
Yes and while we're at it, let's get porn in all the gas stations, post offices and supermarkets.
You may not be aware of it, but that's pretty much the reality. The post office will gladly deliver porn magazines to your P.O.Box, and just about any gas station magazine rack has plenty of porn available, at least if Playboy etc. count as such; same goes for most major super markets that have a magazine section.
If I want porn, I should have easy access to it. In fact, let's just get it on daytime TV after Sesame Street. If the kids don't want to watch, they can have a 5 minute ad break to switch the channel.
which is exactly why you have *very* easy access to the various pay-per-view channels on your cable box. Heck, here's a predition: if Apple really decides to enter the TV business, you can pretty much decide its fate by whether or not something like Playboy TV and other channels like it will be available on it. Looking at cable providers revenues, that's a major source of income, and you can bet that all these customers won't switch to an AppleTV if they are cut off from their little private pleasures; it's too big of a business.
Microsoft doesn't put porn on XBox Live, Sony doesn't put it on PSN, you can bet it won't be in the Windows 8 Store, there's none in Steam or Netflix or Hulu. And yet, Apple gets the criticism for being uptight.
Game consoles are primarily for kids of various ages... (yes, some of them are over 30) But the hypocrisy that wanton violence in games is OK, but sex is not, is another subject that's neck-hair-raising, because I consider the violence i.e. the termination of life a lot more offensive than human procreation and the various games related to it (various S&M practices excluded)
However, again, the game boxes are an accessory to your TV, so if you don't get the content over your game box you'll get it over your DVD player or your cable provider's pay per view or premium subscription channels, so it's not like your TV is locked out. The problem is that because content on iOS devices is a single-source affair (unless you jail-break), the hypocrisy and inconsistency in the application of the "rules" is infuriating.
Originally Posted by rcfa
There's really no need for a corporate entity to be the arbiter of what constitutes good or bad taste outside their very own product.
Who's product is the App Store?
I personally don't give a damn about porn, I've seen it, and I consider it boring. But I consider censorship of any shape or form, be it governmental or corporate, even more offensive. In a world in which ever more things that used to be public sphere become privatized, the reasoning that it's private and thus under corporate control, starts to stink ever more. Let's do a few more rounds of privatization, and you can light the bill of rights on fire, because there's no public ground left on which it's applicable, even though theoretically it's still in force.
This much like certain states revoking abortion clinics their license to operate even though not officially forbidding abortions. The result is that something that's federally protected is being defacto outlawed, by skirting federal law with state regulations.
I mean, nobody would stand for it if Apple would say we don't sell iOS devices to women, because we believe in male superiority, and we're a private entity, so we choose whom we sell to. But it's supposed to be acceptable for them to decide what is or isn't "decent" when it comes to art, particularly when there are multiple levels of protection as is the case with the 500px site where all nude pictures are by default blacked out anyway, and by far the minority of the provided content.
Originally Posted by rcfa
Just imagine you buy a butter knife and it came with an EULA that prohibits you from using that butter knife as a putty spatula, or to spread oil paint on a canvas. Or you go to an art supply warehouse and the oil paint comes with an EULA that prohibits you from using the paint for nude paintings
"Do not insert into bodily orifices."
This is a warning, not a prohibition ;) Apple can warn all they want about potentially offensive content, as long as they don't prohibit it.
Apple isn't preventing you from using an iOS device to view porn, they just don't want to facilitate it. Microsoft and Sony are the real enemies here. It's way harder to get porn on their consoles.
They do more than "not facilitate". They actively get in the way. And as I said, I don't even care about the porn, I do care about the slanted values when it comes to sex and violence on the one hand, and the wholesale classification of porn of a content that's largely non-sexual at all, has a reasonably small number of artistic nudity, and a few traces of pornography if you care to hunt for it long enough; none of which is visible at all, unless you first specifically enable it to be visible AND allow 17+ rated apps on the iOS device.