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post #81 of 142

No.

 

The top end iMac is a fine desktop machine.

 

It is insanely powerful. 

 

It blows my old dual core 3 gigger out the water.  Boot up times is electric.  Super fast.  8 gigs of ram.  Easy to add more.

 

Blazingly fast cpu, powerful gpu (10th fastest?), 8 gigs of ram...and a SSD/HD combo that gives me blazing fast boot up and program launch.  (*Never thought I'd see the day, Photoshop launched in a second or two.)

 

AND?

 

It has a beautiful 27 inch monitor with an incredibly high resolution.

 

This is a workstation.

 

Sure, I payed over 2k over it...but you could hardly call any of Apple's desktops value for money compared to 'sane' PC prices.

 

Take £800 off for the monitor and you're left with a consumer cube 'tower'...for about £1200-£1400 for an i7, 680mx, 8 gigs of ram, fusion drive beastie.  

 

I doubt it will ever happen.  The iMac sells more units than the mini and the pro put together by double and then some I should imagine.

 

Time has passed the tower/cube by.

 

Like someone said above, Apple left that market.  It's not like Apple is supported by lots of 3rd party gpus or anything...

 

It's laptops....biscuit tins or a laptop on a stand with a large monitor thrown in.  That's the choice.  Apple style.

 

I'm more than happy with this iMac workstation.  

 

It really is an astonishing blend of art and tech'.

 

There's nothing compromising about it at all.

 

The last time I owned a 'tower' Mac it could handle Photoshop files at 72 dpi comfortably.  This iMac is lightyears ahead of that.  The shifting sands of computer power.  It's mighty fine for 3d rendering.  It can do lots of stuff at the same time.  It's bladdy fast.

 

Plenty fast for Photoshop, Lightwave 3D for me.

 

It kicks ass.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #82 of 142

I haven't heard the fan once.  But it isn't summer time in the uk, I guess...

 

It's ice cold to the touch.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #83 of 142
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

No.

 

The top end iMac is a fine desktop machine.

 

It is insanely powerful. 

 

It blows my old dual core 3 gigger out the water.  Boot up times is electric.  Super fast.  8 gigs of ram.  Easy to add more.

 

Blazingly fast cpu, powerful gpu (10th fastest?), 8 gigs of ram...and a SSD/HD combo that gives me blazing fast boot up and program launch.  (*Never thought I'd see the day, Photoshop launched in a second or two.)

 

AND?

 

It has a beautiful 27 inch monitor with an incredibly high resolution.

 

This is a workstation.

 

It will fall to someone (Iomega? Newer?) to create a companion 'tower' to the iMac which is bootable, offers multiple hard drive options, and graphics card replacement via Thunderbolt. Maybe even a Blu-Ray option/slot.

 

If this is feasible, then I agree: the Mac Pro market is truly dead.

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post #84 of 142
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The last time I owned a 'tower' Mac it could handle Photoshop files at 72 dpi comfortably.  This iMac is lightyears ahead of that.  The shifting sands of computer power.  It's mighty fine for 3d rendering.  It can do lots of stuff at the same time.  It's bladdy fast.

Blah I dealt with much larger files than that on a first generation G4 powerbook with maxed ram. I just had to limit layers and history, turn off all thumbnails, and a few other things. Photoshop isn't a good example these days. I have no experience with Lightwave specifically, so I cannot comment there.

post #85 of 142

The first quarter of the year has now gone by and Apple has yet to release any new or significantly updated hardware.

 

It's a good thing that product pipeline was chock full, or we'd be really bored.

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post #86 of 142
Well last time this source was right about the new iPad Mini and iPod Nano, by new design of retina MacBook Pro, it probably means an added Multitouch screen keyboard area for universal language input, or just an update to the Mac OS.

The source doesn't talk about iRadio or if the iPad mini will get the iPhone 5's processor/gpu.

All I know is Apple stock keeps going down and I keep wondering why if there's flexible screen tech in the future, and iCloud's new servers are getting better. Apple just needs to start putting some NVidia's into their macs and stop using those intel integrated GPU's.

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post #87 of 142
Intel's graphics are getting better and are suitable for the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and 13" retina MacBook Pro.

The 15" retina MacBook Pro should have the best nVidia graphics possible and should not use integrated graphics under any circumstance. Sorry Marvin.
post #88 of 142
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The 15" retina MacBook Pro should have the best nVidia graphics possible and should not use integrated graphics under any circumstance. Sorry Marvin.

 

It should receive decent graphics, but they have gimped the $1800 model in the past. Look at the low end early 2011. I tend to be a bit skeptical on intel's demos as they're likely to show something that favors their chips. Apple has kind of a smaller lineup, so these graphics chips might be subjected to a wide range of applications. For early references I typically look at barefeats. Even then the results have to be interpreted correctly. Also I suspect the cMBP may continue to last a while longer if they are supply constrained. Positioning it a bit higher in price helps control how many people will choose it. It may not solely be an issue of margins.

post #89 of 142
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Intel's graphics are getting better and are suitable for the MacBook Air, Mac mini, and 13" retina MacBook Pro.

The 15" retina MacBook Pro should have the best nVidia graphics possible

But it does have nVidia.

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and should not use integrated graphics under any circumstance. Sorry Marvin.

Not even to downshift to the lower power chip when raw power isn't needed? There's battery performance to consider here.
post #90 of 142
Originally Posted by darkdefender View Post
Apple just needs to start putting some NVidia's into their macs and stop using those intel integrated GPU's.

 

That has nothing to do with it, either. And I'm not sure I'd want nVidia over Intel in that regard.

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post #91 of 142

Tim Cook is full of crap about his new pipeline of stuff.

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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post
Tim Cook is full of crap about his new pipeline of stuff.

 

Stop saying things.

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post #93 of 142
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Not even to downshift to the lower power chip when raw power isn't needed? There's battery performance to consider here.

That's a good point that people often overlook. Typically people assume that Intel graphics can't drive the Retina display in the 15" but they already do when the graphics switch. The 15" models currently have both an Intel IGP and an NVidia GPU and the latter gets used for demanding tasks.

An Intel Haswell IGP would handle a 15" Retina no problem and removing the dedicated GPU could allow them to hit the lower price point and eliminate the old model but it would just be a single model. The higher up MBPs would continue to use the dedicated GPUs.
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Not even to downshift to the lower power chip when raw power isn't needed? There's battery performance to consider here.
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That's a good point that people often overlook. Typically people assume that Intel graphics can't drive the Retina display in the 15" but they already do when the graphics switch. The 15" models currently have both an Intel IGP and an NVidia GPU and the latter gets used for demanding tasks.

An Intel Haswell IGP would handle a 15" Retina no problem and removing the dedicated GPU could allow them to hit the lower price point and eliminate the old model but it would just be a single model. The higher up MBPs would continue to use the dedicated GPUs.

I understand though I don't think Intel's graphics are worthy in the 15" rMBP right now even if Haswell is supposed to be a big improvement from Ivy Bridge. Unless Apple were to really cut the price and have a 15" at $1,499, the top 13" at $1,299, and the base 13" at $1,099.
post #95 of 142

Why I tell the truth.This is my opinion. You act like he is a GOD . He is the CEO of a huge company making tons of money.
 

post #96 of 142
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Why I tell the truth.This is my opinion. You act like he is a GOD . He is the CEO of a huge company making tons of money.

It is true that it is your opinion, but you don't know that your opinion reflects reality as it is. I'm pretty sure it doesn't. If they don't have a three year pipeline of products, I'd be disappointed, because probably every company with complicated products needs several years to bring a product to market. For example, Intel probably has at least three generations of chips in succeeding stages of design.
post #97 of 142

Apple keeps making small improved increments say in the Mac Mini but nothing substantial.Again when is this great television suppose to come out with the new Mac computer?Promises always.
 

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Originally Posted by marvfox View Post
Again when is this great television suppose to come out with the new Mac computer?Promises always.

 

What "promises"? Rumors (read: lies).

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post #99 of 142
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Apple keeps making small improved increments say in the Mac Mini but nothing substantial.Again when is this great television suppose to come out with the new Mac computer?Promises always.
 

I don't think Apple ever publicly claimed they would make a television. The rumor has been out there for years. They may want to make one.

 

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What "promises"? Rumors (read: lies).


You should have used this instead.

post #100 of 142

I do not listen to crap like that on You Tube.Cook is full of himself.
 

post #101 of 142
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I do not listen to crap like that on You Tube.Cook is full of himself.

 

I thought it was funny. I like silly references. Anyway regarding his statements, isn't that the case with all CEOs? They comment on whatever is allowed. Of course the pipeline comment is executive speech. Everyone on here knows that. You could simply interpret it as updates are coming at some point in the future. It doesn't really contribute information, but neither did anything from the last Apple CEO, unless I'm forgetting something.
post #102 of 142
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I do not listen to crap like that on You Tube.Cook is full of himself.

You have an odd, and pretty angry view of things. And that of punctuation too.
post #103 of 142
Originally Posted by marvfox View Post
Cook is full of himself.

 

It may be the drugs I've never taken, but I just realized that when people say this, it's just the single most obvious statement imaginable, rather than an insult against the person.

 

Of COURSE he's full of himself! lol.gif

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post #104 of 142

Who gives a shit about the grammar!
 

post #105 of 142
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Who gives a shit about the grammar!

It gives others another indicator that you're not thinking very clearly. I mean, a period isn't a substitution for a space.

Besides, you're clearly clueless of the basics of product development cycles.
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post #106 of 142
Originally Posted by marvfox View Post
Who gives a shit about the grammar!

 

Oh, I'm not saying anything to that affect at all. Yours is fine. I'm dissecting a secondary meaning that this sentence never puts forth, is all.

 

Basically I'm sidestepping around the fact that what you've said is UTTER NONSENSE.

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post #107 of 142

So we've got confirmations of Haswell, Thunderbolt 2.0, new Wi-fi, and H.265 on deck.

 

Not to mention the fact that the Thunderbolt Display is obvious. This is the Year of the Mac all over again.

 

The bad news is that, to save money on events, everything will apparently be released at a single event in June. 1biggrin.gif

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post #108 of 142

Don't hold your breath with Apple until the products actually come out in the market.

post #109 of 142

tim cook is not god….joe pecci is god. period.

post #110 of 142

I must admit that Apple's reduced momentum on releasing new products has diminished a lot of the excitement and eager anticipation surrounding the Company. That said, the annual cycles through which Steve Jobs introduced revised versions of new products was probably unsustainable. How long could Apple have kept it up before something cracked? 

 

The first iPhone was a technical marvel, but I couldn't believe what an improvement the iPhone 3G was. Then the iPhone 3GS arrived and that too was a quantum leap. In each case I had no hesitation in upgrading. The same was true for the iPad 3 versus the iPad 2.  While I could only marvel at Apple's ingenuity, my addiction to cutting-edge tech proved to be as expensive as a cocaine habit (actually, I have no idea what street prices of the white stuff is, but hopefully you get the point). I was impressed that the iPhone 4S managed to be yet another worthwhile step forward versus the 4, but I didn't buy it because you have to draw the line somewhere. You just can't go on endless upgrading three different platforms on an annual basis. I doubt that I'll buy the iPhone 5S for the same reason.

 

In short, Apple under Steve Jobs - in a rush to do stuff before his candle burned out - was walking a tightrope. When you work at 110% for long periods, you inevitably drop the ball. Look at Apple maps (and look at how they've quietly and substantially improved since). There are still lots of kinks to be ironed out, including iCloud, various security loopholes and so on. 

 

Whether this is true or not, I don't think that innovation at Apple has died at all. We're seeing a maturation strategy being implemented very well. Tim Cook is a consummate executioner of strategy. Once the core range of products has settled into a regular cycle, then the next wave of innovation can come along. 

 

I suspect that Apple TV sets will be superb. But what I most anticipate is a new software system to do to TV viewing what the iPod and iTunes did to listening to music. If You Tube is the future of TV, then we have to hope Apple can do something better. This takes time and I am sure requires lengthy  negotiation! Then there's the iWatch. This could be equally revolutionary. In the meantime, we're all so primed to expect good things from Apple, we can hardly wait. We're like kids on Christmas morning wanting to open their presents. 

 

The strategy I'm seeing from Apple is amazing new hardware supported equally if not more impressive software. The sheer functionality of Apple platforms is gradually making Google irrelevant. Apple received a huge amount of flak about its maps application, but as it refines it, the core structure seems to be better than Google Maps (and at least the satellite ground images are more uptodate!!) Apple gets it right. It goes for quality every time. Long may it do so. 

 

My 2009 Unibody 13" MacBook Pro lasted until December last year. That's four years. I only replaced it because the new rMBP was lighter. That longevity is why I come back to Apple again and again and why I am reluctant to replace things too often. 

 

So I will only start to worry about Apple, when the rumours of new products cease and right now that seems a long way from happening. Now could be a good buying opportunity for Apple stock.  

post #111 of 142
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I suspect that Apple TV sets will be superb. But what I most anticipate is a new software system to do to TV viewing what the iPod and iTunes did to listening to music. If You Tube is the future of TV, then we have to hope Apple can do something better. This takes time and I am sure requires lengthy  negotiation! Then there's the iWatch. This could be equally revolutionary. In the meantime, we're all so primed to expect good things from Apple, we can hardly wait. We're like kids on Christmas morning wanting to open their presents. 

The strategy I'm seeing from Apple is amazing new hardware supported equally if not more impressive software. The sheer functionality of Apple platforms is gradually making Google irrelevant. Apple received a huge amount of flak about its maps application, but as it refines it, the core structure seems to be better than Google Maps (and at least the satellite ground images are more uptodate!!) Apple gets it right. It goes for quality every time. Long may it do so.

Well I suspect that YouTube is owned by Google... And Apple has iTunes to sell videos. But what the facts are about these devices is that they said they needed content providers to build an Apple TV, and in an interview Tim Cook said that they were very interested in that market. But to create a whole new TV platform aside the cable companies would force them to stream iTunes 24/7 like Netflix does, with a subscription to it's channels.

Another thing is we already know that code has been released that the iPad iOS is getting iRadio to compete with Spotify and that new iTunes versions will follow. Every time a new Apple product is released an iTunes update is made to support it with drivers.

As for Apple Maps being better than Google Maps, yes it is, but the banners are a little too big and in landscape mode they bother me, so I have to switch to Google Maps.

Google will never be irrelevant. It's the world's greatest search engine and and has brought many good things to the table of Apple. The least it will become even larger than it already is.

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Originally Posted by darkdefender View Post
As for Apple Maps being better than Google Maps, yes it is, but the banners are a little too big and in landscape mode they bother me, so I have to switch to Google Maps.

 

What a logical and totally justified reason for switching¡


Google will never be irrelevant.

 

"Microsoft will never be irrelevant!"


It's the world's greatest search engine…

 

Biggest. Not "greatest".


The least it will become even larger than it already is.

 

I doubt it.

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post #113 of 142

Joe Pesci is a jerk!
 

post #114 of 142
Oh apparently Apple beat their earnings expectations but Tim Cook still is a bad CEO boooooooooo!
post #115 of 142

I hate iMacs. They are the least green computing solution. When your CPU gets long in the tooth you have to toss the display and everything else.
Apple should eliminate the highest end iMac and build a mac maxi with equivalent cpu separate display and graphics card upgradeability.

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I hate iMacs. They are the least green computing solution. When your CPU gets long in the tooth you have to toss the display and everything else.

Apple should eliminate the highest end iMac and build a mac maxi with equivalent cpu separate display and graphics card upgradeability.

I agree in some circumstances though as far as waste goes, more people = more waste.
post #117 of 142
Originally Posted by brainburst View Post
They are the least green computing solution.

 

Absolute nonsense.


When your CPU gets long in the tooth you have to toss the display and everything else.

 

How horrible.

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post #118 of 142

Whoop de doo Apple will recycle your components. So you have to waste the product and money and energy to ship the old product. Not green at all. What about Personal waste? Why do I need to get rid of a perfectly good display when the cpu gets old?

post #119 of 142

We have now entered the fifth month of the Year of The Chock Full Pipeline with no product intros as of yet.

 

I understand Haswell comes in June. But seriously, Cook couldn't at least prioritize an update to iWork or something?

 

To proclaim publicly that multiple product updates are coming and then announce nothing for the next four months is ridiculous.

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We have now entered the fifth month of the Year of The Chock Full Pipeline with no product intros as of yet.

 

I understand Haswell comes in June. But seriously, Cook couldn't at least prioritize an update to iWork or something?

 

To proclaim publicly that multiple product updates are coming and then announce nothing for the next four months is ridiculous.

 

Agreed and iWork is a prime example considering it is only 5 year old software!

 

Come on Apple. We were waiting because 2012 lagged so bad. This is getting discouraging.

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