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post #41 of 76
Originally Posted by bwik View Post
Office will be around after Apple is gone.  That is a fact!

 

lol.


But, as somebody "with a job," MS Office is part of how the adult world collaborates and communicates.

 

9.1/10.

 

It's terrible software; that's where the complaints come from.

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post #42 of 76
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/shrug

I paid $10 for office 2010
I paid $15 for windows 8
I paid $30 for windows 7
I don't remember what I paid for office 2003, but I'm pretty sure it was way below msrp.

There is a ridiculous amount of discounts Microsoft products. I don't even bother looking at the retail price for their software anymore as it is meaningless.

Since most of their products have lower quality than similar offerings (the OS, office for "light" users, etc) and some people try to force others to use them, they should be free, right?

 

Or, since using windows is a pain compared to OSX, they should pay me to use it, right?

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This article and many people here are forgetting that MS is still offering Office without a subscription plan:

 

Office 365 = $99/yr

Office Home & Student = $139

Office Home & Business = $239

Office Professional = $399

 

You can still pay a 1-time fee to "own" your software if you so choose, but you only get a license to use it on 1 machine. Office 365's subscription gives you a license for 5 machines, 20GB of cloud storage in SkyDrive, and updates to the latest version of the software suite whenever they are released.

 

Neither is a bad deal if you think about it. And contrary to the lack of information in the article and in the comments, MS isn't forcing anyone to pay a subscription to use Office.... yet. But that's just future speculation at best.

 

It's also best to keep a level head and perhaps have multiple news sources for information.

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Office 2011 allows me to run a Mac-only household.  I need Word 100% compatibility for work, and Excel really has no equal (including all of the open source alternatives).

 

Don't assume that Office doesn't have value for anyone, just because you don't like it or prefer not to use it.

 

Office isn't for you, then.

 

I work regularly on corporate documents (RFPs, Statements of Work, capital project requests, etc.) with very specific formatting requirements and I have yet to have a single problem with a document created in Word 2011 or created in 2010 and later edited in 2011.  In comparison, the open source offerings are a complete mess.

 

At the end of the day, it comes down to what your priorities are.  I get that people want to champion open source alternatives or hate on Microsoft or whatever, but I have work that needs to get done and Office 2011 gets me there without having to have a Windows PC at home or drag a Windows laptop back and forth.  Office 2011 to me is a complete win in that regard.

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post #45 of 76
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis View Post

This article and many people here are forgetting that MS is still offering Office without a subscription plan:

Office 365 = $99/yr
Office Home & Student = $139
Office Home & Business = $239
Office Professional = $399

You can still pay a 1-time fee to "own" your software if you so choose, but you only get a license to use it on 1 machine. Office 365's subscription gives you a license for 5 machines, 20GB of cloud storage in SkyDrive, and updates to the latest version of the software suite whenever they are released.

Neither is a bad deal if you think about it. And contrary to the lack of information in the article and in the comments, MS isn't forcing anyone to pay a subscription to use Office.... yet. But that's just future speculation at best.

It's also best to keep a level head and perhaps have multiple news sources for information.

What is 'best' for the vast majority of Mac users is either one of the excellent products such as Neo Office or using iWorks. As an aside, when Steve Jobs hired Microsoft to Develop Office back in 1984-85 I bet he never envisaged Microsoft still attaching the milking machine to his concept all these years later.
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post #46 of 76
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I work regularly on corporate documents (RFPs, Statements of Work, capital project requests, etc.) with very specific formatting requirements and I have yet to have a single problem with a document created in Word 2011 or created in 2010 and later edited in 2011.  In comparison, the open source offerings are a complete mess.

 

At the end of the day, it comes down to what your priorities are.  I get that people want to champion open source alternatives or hate on Microsoft or whatever, but I have work that needs to get done and Office 2011 gets me there without having to have a Windows PC at home or drag a Windows laptop back and forth.  Office 2011 to me is a complete win in that regard.

Complex word documents are not always 100% formatted exactly the same when edited under office 2011 (mac) and office 2003 (windows) and office 2010 (windows) Fonts and other issues often cause formatting differences.

post #47 of 76
Remember back when AOL was a big deal? I have a memory of Bill Gates saying he thought that was a great business model and Steve Case was on to something - charging people every month for the use of your product instead of a one time fee.

Gotta say, it creeped me out then and it creeps me out now.
post #48 of 76
60 minutes of free global Skype time a month? I've never used Skype, I always assumed it was a free service.
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60 minutes of free global Skype time a month? I've never used Skype, I always assumed it was a free service.

 

Skype-to-Skype is free, Skype-to-landline is not.

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post #50 of 76
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

Now they completely lost their minds. $100 per year !!!!!

I used to upgrade every 4 years  (before I switched to Pages/Numbers). That equals to $400!!! 1oyvey.gif

It may not be as good a deal for one single person, but for a family with 3 laptops and 2 desktops, it can definitely save a LOT of money.  Remember that you are getting the same software as MS Office Professional, which runs $400 for ONE PC.  To install the same on all of my systems would cost me $2000!!!  If you upgrade every 4 years, then the price is a wash for your one PC, but it only costs $80 total for each of the five.  So I spend $400 for 4 years instead of $2000.  Which option do you think I might like?  And you can mix and match PCs, Macs, and tablets.  I have no love for MS, but this really isn't a bad deal in certain situations.

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....And you can mix and match PCs, Macs, and tablets. ....

 

 

Which tablets ?

post #52 of 76
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post


It actually stops working on February 29th.

 

If it is running on their Azure cloud platform it might well do :) http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/azure-leap-year-bug/

post #53 of 76
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis View Post

This article and many people here are forgetting that MS is still offering Office without a subscription plan:

Office 365 = $99/yr
Office Home & Student = $139
Office Home & Business = $239
Office Professional = $399

You can still pay a 1-time fee to "own" your software if you so choose, but you only get a license to use it on 1 machine. Office 365's subscription gives you a license for 5 machines, 20GB of cloud storage in SkyDrive, and updates to the latest version of the software suite whenever they are released.

Neither is a bad deal if you think about it. And contrary to the lack of information in the article and in the comments, MS isn't forcing anyone to pay a subscription to use Office.... yet. But that's just future speculation at best.

It's also best to keep a level head and perhaps have multiple news sources for information.

What is 'best' for the vast majority of Mac users is either one of the excellent products such as Neo Office or using iWorks. As an aside, when Steve Jobs hired Microsoft to Develop Office back in 1984-85 I bet he never envisaged Microsoft still attaching the milking machine to his concept all these years later.

 

I wasn't commenting on what was 'best' for Mac or PC users regarding software preference. I was commenting on the erroneous statements being assumed by some that MS is forcing subscription pricing on consumers using Office, which is utterly not the case. And I was providing advice on sourcing multiple news/blog outlets before jumping to inaccurate conclusions. That was all.

 

I wasn't endorsing or disapproving of Office for any use case.

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post #54 of 76
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Originally Posted by kerryb View Post

Free free free.....    A fair amount of labor and skill goes into building software and those that create it should be compensated for their efforts. Try working for "free" and see how well that works out for you. If you want to complain about something notice how M$ and Adobe are moving to a subscription based business now. The days of buying an app once and using it until you decided to invest more money into it for an upgrade may soon be over. That to me is an alarming change in the tech business and no doubt it was a response to all of you that "buy" at pirate bay.

Sad to say, but ethics is sorely lacking in our "civilization." Nice to see one of those occasional reminders it isn't completely absent. 

As for the move to a subscription based service, it does mean you essentially pay forever, but you really had to do that before. There seems to be a requirement for endless upgrades of system software, applications, & utilities just so you can function. If you don't it's only a matter of few months before issues start to creep in. And if you do upgrade your software, then you coerced into upgrading your hardware every 5-6 years. Making matters worse, even if you do buy the software, the liars... errr... attorneys have it set up such that it is only a license to use their software. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Yet, this subscription offering from MS really isn't a bad deal, especially if you have 5 machines to use the suite on. $20/year is damned cheap!

post #55 of 76
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

No thanks.  I'll wait for the next native version of Office:Mac.  2011 works great for me.  

You assume there will be one. This could be the next version. No discs.no buy once use for ages.

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post #56 of 76
So this means Access is finally on the Mac?
post #57 of 76
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Originally Posted by Sasparilla View Post

Another Hail Marry from Balmer....he'll try a yearly version of Windows as well - to get customers to just pay them constantly (instead of for large product updates) is his dream.  

$100 a year just to use Office....right Balmer, keep on trying.

If the price and upgrade schedule was right, why would that be a major issue. $20 a year, all updates and upgrades for free sounds pretty good, maybe $30 if you want the Pro version with server etc level features.

At least give folks the option. See what happens.

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post #58 of 76
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I agree.  I love Office, personally.  I got Office for OSX for free through my university,

If you're a student, no you didn't. It's in those fees etc you pay. Along with the free gym, free health clinic, the free recent movies they show in the student union etc.

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post #59 of 76
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If the price and upgrade schedule was right, why would that be a major issue. $20 a year, all updates and upgrades for free sounds pretty good, maybe $30 if you want <....>

 

OUT-OF-QUESTION TO ENRICH MICROSOFT !!!!!! (especially given the fact that I have plenty of cheaper alternatives, but this is a matter of principle)

 

THIS IS MY REVENGE FOR HAVING BEEN FORCED, IN MY ENTIRE CAREER, TO USE PCs & Microsoft cumbersome, unreliable and anti intuitive software !

post #60 of 76
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

Now they completely lost their minds. $100 per year !!!!!
I used to upgrade every 4 years  (before I switched to Pages/Numbers). That equals to $400!!! 1oyvey.gif

Funny you mention iWork. Many folks think it is overdue for a completely new version. Forgetting that that might mean having to pay again. That's $60 whole dollars. The horror.

Whereas another point update would be free.

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post #61 of 76
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I don't understand the comments against Office.

Office is THE global standard.  Office will be around after Apple is gone.  That is a fact!

If by Apple you mean computers then sure. Because by then everyone will be using tablets and Apple will dump all computers and change the company name to i

All kidding aside, the days of proprietary formats is coming to an end. I think that both Office and iWork and their exclusive formats will either have to embrace a new format as a universal replacement for THE standard or at least support it as an alternate form. Making the battle not in formats but in UI for working with it. Not unlike how we moved past HTML features that only worked in Netscape or Internet Explorer for common forms.

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post #62 of 76
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So this means Access is finally on the Mac?

 

Yeah, I noticed that too...   The last time I looked at Access, it couldn't be ported to the Mac (or any other platform) because all of the database logic was in the drivers, as opposed to the app itself.  And those drivers were very specific to the Windows platform.

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post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post

Complex word documents are not always 100% formatted exactly the same when edited under office 2011 (mac) and office 2003 (windows) and office 2010 (windows) Fonts and other issues often cause formatting differences.

 

This is one of those cases where corporate standards (e.g. standard fonts) solve more problems than they create.  1smile.gif

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post #64 of 76
I expected more from an apple website. A lot of people still use office.

For the $100 a year you get 60 minutes a month of skype credits, 5 copies of office 2013, 20 gigs more space on your skydrive account and the full use of the web versions of all the office software.

If you need multiple copies of office this ends up way cheaper then buying those copies individually.
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by silverpraxis View Post

I wasn't commenting on what was 'best' for Mac or PC users regarding software preference. I was commenting on the erroneous statements being assumed by some that MS is forcing subscription pricing on consumers using Office, which is utterly not the case. And I was providing advice on sourcing multiple news/blog outlets before jumping to inaccurate conclusions. That was all.

I wasn't endorsing or disapproving of Office for any use case.

Ok, sorry.
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post #66 of 76
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People at university usually have Windows for free, and that's the only people that i know that update their shitty OS legally. All others go to piratebay.

Office? that's cute. We do not have office for free (looks like the msdna program is much cheaper that way) so everyone that i know who has a recent (2007+) MSoffice suite "bought it" on piratebay. Usually, I do not aprove that behaviour (i do not have pirated software on my mac at all), but it's a great way to "punish" stupid teachers/universities that demand something on proprietary format. It's "their" fault, they are the ones responsible for the culture of piracy that was created.

It's time for them to realize that they can't demand us to use MS sh*t anymore... they just can't.

Thank god that people only ask for pdfs these days, and when we need to work on autocad or visual studio whe get the choice to get everything we need for free.
Give us choice, and we will choose well. But demanding us to pay something (a lot) because the stupid person in question wants docx file? There's no way.

I don't agree with piracy for Office as there are many open source alternatives available for the average user without resorting to stealing it. If you do need Office then buy it, but you don't need every new version unless there is one new feature you can't live without. Docx files have been around for a few versions now and many open source alternatives can save in that format. Look for the legal workarounds else suck it up and purchase. As a student you should get decent discounts on the real stuff anyway.
post #67 of 76

Help!  I can't decide.  Should I buy Microsoft Office 365 or just download Open Office and load my documents to iCloud?  Hmm.  100 dollars a year for Microsoft and zero for open office.  Hmm.  Screw Microsoft.

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post #68 of 76
I'm upset...loved OneNote on the Windows Platform. WHY U NO MAKE FOR MAC!

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post #69 of 76
Sounds like a good deal if you have family to share it with. Here's hoping that 'F2' will finally work on Mac as it does on a PC.
post #70 of 76
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Complex word documents are not always 100% formatted exactly the same when edited under office 2011 (mac) and office 2003 (windows) and office 2010 (windows) Fonts and other issues often cause formatting differences.

 

This is true, but Office 2011 came so, so close to perfect.  It actually made Mac more of a viable platform than it's been.  

 

Yes, fonts are not exactly the same when you go between platforms.  But it's close.  They really tried hard and put out a damn good product with Office 2011.  Also, SP3 just came out for it.  

 

As for Excel and PPt, I haven't had an issue.  Just having _real Excel_ on the Mac is a big deal to me.  Finally Excel Mac is strong enough to take a beating with large and exotic spreadsheets.  So, people in (for example) financial industries can use it, not just the movie editors and photographers of the world.

 

Prrrraise Microsoft Offi---  well you get the idea.

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Being a long-time Mac user, I find MS Office extremely frustrating to use. It's so awkward, counter-intuitive and buggy, I dont' understand how people put up with it. Most of the time I just use Pages and export to .pdf for my co-workers. Life is too short to struggle with bad software.

Paying $100 every year to torture myself with this piece of sh.t seems like a ridiculous proposition. I'd rather give up on Office altogether than subscribe.

What are they smoking in Redmond these days..

"Bad software" is often an excuse for poorly trained users.

Paying $100 a year for basically 5 licenses is not bad proposition. This SKU of Office is comparable to Office Pro, which is in NZ worth equivalent of US$500. It is probably a bit cheaper in US, but still - we are talking about single license. If 5 mates at Uni, for example, split expense, it will cost the $20 a year, which is not much even for a student. Even if you use your retail copy of Office for 6 years before purchasing new one, cumulative expense of Office 365 will be lower than purchasing retail every 2 generations.
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If the price and upgrade schedule was right, why would that be a major issue. $20 a year, all updates and upgrades for free sounds pretty good, maybe $30 if you want the Pro version with server etc level features.

At least give folks the option. See what happens.

I really enjoy reading reasonable post here (no sarcasm). So much "righteous" rage and unadulterated hatred around here, usually amongst most vocal people who are first of accusing others of "iHating".

The whole fanboysm is really sad. We are all biased toward something, but there is bias, and then there is almost-religious extremism which shouldn't really exist in environments like this one...
post #73 of 76

Balmer is a very funny guy.... "with all the full-featured Office applications people know and love"... all the overly complicated, user unfriendly feature creep bloatware that people have come to hate...

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I don't understand the comments against Office.

 

Office is THE global standard.  Office will be around after Apple is gone.  That is a fact!

The comments are self-deserved as consumers are tired of paying for buggy, bloated, counter-intuitive, overly complicated software from MS. It is the global standard, yes. But it is still a POS! I just did a PPT on my mac but had to port it to a windows machine for a presentation to a group of about 50 people and in doing so it fk'd up the whole format by replacing the font and the two column set up. How F'n stupid do their developers have to be to not have 100% compatibility between the two versions? Give us a break. They are the default standard based on their proven anti-competitive behavior. Just look at the recent efforts in the EU to have open source formats for government use and MSFT comes in and FK's up the efforts by throwing a wrench in the works and paying small countries on the committee to support them as they have equal votes on the standards committee. They are as corrupt and unethical as ever.

post #75 of 76

The $79 for 4 years student edition isn't bad. 

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Free free free.. The fact that you have "buy" software on piratebay proves you still use this software and if you use something that you did not make yourself it probably belongs to someone else. Justifying theft is lame. Sure M$ Office is more than most people can use and priced to high for today's market but there are plenty of other options out there and many are open source and "free". A fair amount of labor and skill goes into building software and those that create it should be compensated for their efforts. Try working for "free" and see how well that works out for you. If you want to complain about something notice how M$ and Adobe are moving to a subscription based business now. The days of buying an app once and using it until you decided to invest more money into it for an upgrade may soon be over. That to me is an alarming change in the tech business and no doubt it was a response to all of you that "buy" at pirate bay.


Companies do force you to use MS software. Try justifying to your boss that you broke the Excel sheet/Docx formatting because "Libreoffice". And small companies don't actually pay for your software. Sometimes, you even buy your own hardware...

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