Originally Posted by nht
1) you can get 128GB
A standard $500 Netbook now come with 250GB HD, even 128GB for a Windows PC is pretty small with all the updates, softwares and systems restore stuff. I've an 64GB Bootcamp partition on my system, I got just enough space to install one games. I know you can't compare HD and SSD, but still 128GB is barely enough for 2013 Windows PCs. SD card and USB drives only brings new levels of problems and limitations typical to the old Windows desktop paradigm that people wants to get off.
2) a 10" 1080p screen has the same real estate as a 23" 1080p screen. Just smaller so you'll need to be closer to the screen or have very good vision.
True if you only considering a regular PC with full size keyboard and mouse, but now how it work with touch input? Even with a mouse, it's just a pain in the a__ pointing small UI elements of Office apps I can't imagine it on the small Surface's trackpad, every Surface RT reviews are pointing this flaw when using desktop mode apps on it. You've got to admit, Microsoft owns apps are clutter with too much menus, toolbars, buttons, ribbons, etc which are unusable on small screen. Its even more absurd when you realize how much Microsoft has never care about wasting vertical screen estate with oversize title bars and ribbons, unfit with now à la mode widescreen aspect ratio designed for video content. They absolutely got no clue at all with the Surface Pro, they put every features peoples desired for but without any direction. Looks more like Homer's Simpsons car to me than a revolutionary product. I wont recomend it for someone who want to replace his main laptop for work.
3) with integrated graphics it won't be a gaming machine but it's not a netbook processor and board. It's a Core i5 and not an Atom.
The low end i5 they put in made it one of the slowest new PC announced this year. You got a much better value with a $900 Laptop than a Surface Pro if you need a Windows PC for working with your apps you are already using. I won't recommend it for a student
1) there is no misconception regarding the UIs. This is why the Surface Pro pricing in this discussion always includes the keyboard and trackpad.
And this is where Microsoft failed to really define his tablet platform. The current Surface RT and Pro still have the same Tablet PC identity crisis, they can't decide if the keyboard and mouse should be mandatory or not, if so the laptop platform is still a better solution for mobile desktop computing.
2) It should run Office, Adobe CS, Crysis, AAA PC games as well as any other Core i5 laptop with the same CPU/GPU specs. In other words well for Office, pretty decent for Adobe CS and poorly for AAA games.
Agree for Office and Adobe on performance, but my point was about the 10inch screen, those apps was never created on saving screen real state space and touch input, making those apps harder to work on the Surface than a Ultrabook. There is no part of which a Ultrabook can't equal or beat the Surface Pro for about the same price, this is why the Surface will sold poorly comparing to other PC form factor. I won't recommend it for gamers or child.
3) Why do people drool over Apple gear even though you can have better and cheaper laptops? Because they are better than cheaper laptops.
Apple is different than Samsung, HTC, and Microsoft. They won't create a product just because there is a market for, they create something they want for them self and family, they cares much about their product. Microsoft is not doing Windows and Office for fun, they doing it because there is a market for they doesn't care much about taking risk, sharp decisions and redefine paradigm. When Microsoft has creating a new market? I can count a few from Apple. And I got no problem to recommend a Mac or iDevices for what ever needs.
4) The distinct advantage it has over netbooks is a Core i5 vs an Atom, hugely better build quality and a much much better screen. These are the same hardware advantages enjoyed by the MBA over netbooks.
Nothing here is exclusive to Microsoft, nothing can stop Acer or Asus from producing a 10inch Ultrabook with the same specs. What I'm saying is for using Windows apps, the laptop configuration is better than hybrid slate-laptop setup than Surface is. This is considering the laptop is cheaper than Surface.
5) You can spell raison d'être but evidently not understand what it is for the Surface Pro. It's an ultrabook/tablet hybrid. Perhaps successful, perhaps not but there's a large number of folks that have been waiting for something like this. Now it depends on MS' execution of the concept. Now that's an iffy proposition but just looking at the hardware they seem to have done pretty well.
Thank you, I'm french speaking (not from France). I think you see stars sparkles all around the Surface. Surface is a more expensive Ultrabook with a smaller screen, keyboard and mouse and a more expensive and fatter tablet. Microsoft really wants to merge a fridge with a toaster for pleasing everybody. I won't recommend it for someone who only want running tablet apps.
Edited by BigMac2 - 1/30/13 at 5:52pm
Nice avoidance of your incorrect facts (like cloth keyboard) by bloviating a bunch of more incorrect facts.
My bad, doesn't change the fact that its still awkward to use it on your laps like a regular laptops. But you don't seam to recognize the tablet platform being a distinct and independent platform that needs specials cares and optimizations from apps developers. Apple made a clear statements on how touch device should interact by making touch screens the mandatory human interface, Apple could have port the finder on iOS (I bet they already have), but it make no sense to use a desktop apps on a tablet, this is why every windows tablet as ever failed and Surface Pro is making no differences. I know i'm repeating my self but Surface and Windows 8 are likes The Homer, the car designed by Homer, even the Surface brand is recycle.