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Is it just me, or isn't the "X" in OSX stand for 10?  So wasn't it called origianlly Mac OS X, Operating System Version 10?

So isn't is redundant to say OSX 10.9???

I hope this has already been addressed.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Seven betas so far of 10.8.3. Is that enough?

 

Curious about your experiences:

 

1. Which bugs?
2. How do we know they're not by design?

3. I preemptively agree with some of them you might say. 

yeah, like redundant widgets that replicate standard apps?

what about the piss-poor syncing between devices?  Especially podcasts.

What about auto-snaps for justifying windows for side-by-side...drag to edges for fullscreen or top/bottom stretch?  Just crazy you have to download an app to do this.

What about a OS X app for Maps, Find my friends/phones/etc., Trailers (the widget sucks)???

and let's just go there with the inconsistent "Red dot" functionality.

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Originally Posted by ScrittoreSabino 

I like the way Apple has been going with iOS & OSX borrowing from each other. I hope this continues. However, I hope they do not merge completely into 1 single system. I think Apple has been pretty good about understanding that different devices will have different primary use cases and design must cater to the manner in which we relate to and interact with these different devices, in both physical ways and mental.

I like that gestures have slowly incorporated their way into OSX, and Apple has not made the mistake of going full touch on their desktops and laptop systems. These are devices that are more stationary, and also more keyboard centric. They are not devices I hold in my hand, thus lending to a more touch centric input method like in a phone or tablet. A touch desktop or laptop would be extremely tiresome after even a minute, reaching around. I suspect it would even be less ergonomic. The tilted screen may provide somewhat of a solution, however, here too while it would be less reaching, so less tiresome on the arms, the discomfort would shift to the neck,

I would like to see the 2 systems integrated to a point where the exact same apps can be interchangeable between the two, The same touch gestures you would use on an iPad or iPhone would also be used on the trackpad. is this possible? Programs as we know them, already have ability to take in input from keyboard, mouse, trackpad, and in some cases voice, so why not touch as well? Is this a matter of ARM SoS on mobile vs processors found on laptops and desktops?
 

I've been saying this since OSX.VII - LION.  Especially you last paragraph.

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Originally Posted by Slurpy 

 

There's different definitions and implementations of merging. All Microsoft did was throw 2 completely separate OSes in a single package. It would be like Apple adding an "iOS" button into OSX, which will throw you into iOS mode. ie, it will never happen. What I DO see Apple doing is from the backend, unify some apis, and from the front end, unify some UI paradigms as well as apps, etc. An iMac will never run the iPhone version of iOS, but Apple can retain different versions of it's OS which all include differing levels of capability and flexibility. iOS is getting more powerful and flexible all the time, as is the hardware its running on. They dont need to look or function in an identical manner, its all about the branding and consistency in certain over arching paradigms. OSX is used in many, many professional industries for many applications- Apple knows this, and they're not about to get rid of that. Is it becoming less important to Apple in the grand scheme of things? Yes, it is, and that's ok. 

They kind of did this (iOS into OS X).  It's call Launchpad.

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX 


They'd likely be keeping that name for a decade. Does OS XI work for marketing? Does it make sense to give up the solid market name of OS X just because a number most customers aren't aware of and only a handful take issue with don't like the idea of 10.11.x as internal numbering schema?

I'd think there would have to be some radical changes Apple is sure about to jump from OS X to something else. At least MS kept the Windows part even when they had to get rid of the tainted Vista name. Apple doesn't even have Mac in front of OS X anymore which implies that OS X is the part they think is most valuable for the OS name.

just think of the adds..."we now go up to 11".

Originally Posted by antkm1 
and let's just go there with the inconsistent "Red dot" functionality.

Probably because there's nothing inconsistent about it.

Applications with only ever one window will quit if you close said window. Applications that can have multiple windows remain open.

Originally Posted by pondosinatra 
Wake me up when the focus is on stability and not trying to merge iOS...

What's unstable about either OS?

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Originally Posted by krreagan 

OSX 10.10 is most certainly not the same as 10.1. The versions are just numbers separated by a period (not a decimal point) 10.4.11 does not look like a valid number does it... so why should 10.10?

Besides, it'll be 10.10.0, and, maybe eventually, 10.10.19

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Oh, yeah. I'm ridin' this crazy train to its terminus and right through the wall of the station. TOOT TO~OT! 🚂🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋

It's always nice to see that forum users here are being ridiculed by moderators for having an opinion.

But you're right; it's totally crazy to suggest that a company would get "inspired" by the marketing of another one.

Originally Posted by VL-Tone 
It's always nice to see that forum users here are being ridiculed by moderators for having an opinion.

Hey, if I'm being sarcastic, I denote it as such.

I actually like this idea!

There's zero proof or hard evidence of it, but the events line up in such a way that makes it fun to believe, if only because it's in character.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

Hey, if I'm being sarcastic, I denote it as such.

 

I actually like this idea!

 

There's zero proof or hard evidence of it, but the events line up in such a way that makes it fun to believe, if only because it's in character.

Ok I'm fine with this! Hopefully I didn't derail the thread :)

Perhaps an overwhelmingly poor upgrade from the not confusing Windows 7 to the WTF Window 8 is what you're looking for? I'm fine with incremental. I don't have the time or patience to learn a whole new UI! Do you? Apple does "Revolutionary" with some product every few years or so, but after that it's "Evolutionary", just as it should be. A good example might be Adobe's Photoshop. I started with v2.5 in 1993. Learned it inside and out. Every version since then has been Evolutionary with some Revolutionary new features. As a result, I don't spend forever getting up to speed with the new versions as they emerge.

Originally Posted by antkm1 
The red button should quit only, not quit current session and leave app running in the background. I know I'm arguing a 10+ year old fight, but to me, that's inconsistent.

The red button is on a window, and as such it closes that window. If no other windows can be, the application quits to save those resources.

Because it has multiple windows available.

You're kidding, right? 

Oh, it does. That's just not activated by default because it's the equivalent on a PC of "quitting" Explorer.

Because it can officially quit and does crash, and this is an indicator thereof.

Once again, multiple windows possible.

So "don't force me to do this; that's like forcing me not to do this"…?

In OS X, there's no "drag" yet. It's just "push", which doesn't lend itself as well to this. But you're right; once Apple's desktop OS goes fully multitouch, I'd love to see this.

Originally Posted by SolipsismX 
Most of all I'd just love or iTunes's video player to work more like QTX.

Exploiting a bug in Huddler to show just how much I want this to happen.

I have the same problem and opened a bug ticket for this.Try deleting all the passed wifi networks on settings app. May work.

Originally Posted by burak2102 
I have the same problem and opened a bug ticket for this.Try deleting all the passed wifi networks on settings app. May work.

Hi, spambot.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 


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The red button should quit only, not quit current session and leave app running in the background. I know I'm arguing a 10+ year old fight, but to me, that's inconsistent. If what you claim is true, why does iCal stay open when you close with the red button? Why does finder never fully quit? Forget that I know why it doesn't have the ability to quit fully, why have the dock light on an app that's not designed to quit? What about iTunes app? I can see the red button to close but leave open if there are already multiple window open, but when only one window is open it should quit. To me that's just creating a resource issue, and its not clear enough that is its intended function. Sure seasoned veterans are used to it, but if you're trying to convert the window crowd, keep it simple. Don't force me to splat-q or look to quit in a menu bar. That's a bit archaic if you ask me. Kind of like forcing us to delete in finder by dragging to trash rather than the simpler delete key or splat-x.

Some other UI features I'd like to see are the rubber band drag to refresh in iTunes, or even better in Safari. I'd love to see that in iOS Safari as well. Or even drag to refresh in mail. Or heck, if the mail function icons were a bit more intuitive to read.

There is a real neato, new fangled OS out there for you. It's called Windows. I know it's only at version 8, but I'm sure it will fulfill all of your computer fantasies you have listed above. Apple developed their human interface guidelines years (decades?) ago. Windows didn't have guidelines for a LOOOONG time and that is why many apps acted completely different back in the day. Holding MacOS to standards finalized by Microsoft is just foolish. BTW. You can trash a file any number of ways... Command+Delete being one of them.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


Why? No one knows what's in it, so how can you be looking forward to it?

From my perspective, since about 10.6, there's been little driving force for a change. I don't have anything that really needs to be changed (with one exception - Safari memory leaks), so I'm completely indifferent to a new OS.

That, of course, is balanced by the fact that upgrades are so easy and inexpensive that it's a matter of "might as well, even though I don't need it".

That's just plain ignorance of the insane amount of enhancements in Lion and Mountain Lion.

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Originally Posted by jragosta 


Of course one can look forward to a future event, but looking forward to something that you have no knowledge of is silly.

If I have a dinner date with Taylor Swift, I can look forward to that dinner. But it's hard for me to look forward to dinner on June 19 when I have no idea who I'll be having dinner with or what I'll be eating or where I'll be.

You just keep on the ridiculousness. I have a pretty good idea of what Apple will include in 10.9 because LOGIC dictates it. All of that I'm looking forward to.

Pretending like we have no idea what it will be is, "silly".

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Originally Posted by antkm1 


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The red button should quit only, not quit current session and leave app running in the background. 

HA! Yeah ok. They have an OS for that, it's called Windows, and it's garbage.

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Originally Posted by antkm1 

yeah, like redundant widgets that replicate standard apps?

what about the piss-poor syncing between devices?  Especially podcasts.

What about auto-snaps for justifying windows for side-by-side...drag to edges for fullscreen or top/bottom stretch?  Just crazy you have to download an app to do this.

What about a OS X app for Maps, Find my friends/phones/etc., Trailers (the widget sucks)???

and let's just go there with the inconsistent "Red dot" functionality.

- What widgets?

- Piss poor syncing is slowly improving with iCloud. Pay attention and you'd know that.

- Auto snaps are awful. No one would want this.

- It's on its way.

-No.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil 

 

The red button is on a window, and as such it closes that window. If no other windows can be, the application quits to save those resources.

Yes, this is the key point, the button is on a window so it closes the window, why would you think it had anything to do with the app lifecycle unless you learned it from Windows? 

I always thought of it as, the windows are just windows - the menu bar represents the app as a whole. That's why the only way to quit an app is with the Quit menu item, and closing all the windows will get you nowhere in terms of app lifecycle. And I think this was the original Mac OS X model (in the early versions), but in order to make Windows users more comfortable they made it so *some* apps quit when you close the last window. But they didn't do this for all apps, which is just confusing because now you don't know what will happen (except by learning the individual apps).

And now there is a third element, the iOS style app freeze-drying, which Calendar (for example) supports. If you close all the windows Calendar won't quit, until you click away to another app. At that point it will appear to quit (it's Dock light will go out), but if you look in Activity Monitor the process is still there (but I think with it's program counter frozen). But if you had originally quit it with the menu bar (instead of trying to close all the Windows) it would have quit fully and not been freeze dried and not still be in Activity Monitor.

Also, if they do OS X 10.10 "Chihuahua", they'll need OS X 10.11 "Paris Hilton"
 

It will be called "Lynx"