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So what will happen after 10.9? 10.10?

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But it's hard for me to look forward to dinner on June 19 when I have no idea who I'll be having dinner with or what I'll be eating or where I'll be.


That's the beauty of it. Now you can make the plans that make looking forward worth it!

 

That too optimistic? I'm trying to be more optimistic. 

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post #43 of 199
supremedesigner "Hmm, OSX 10.10 - isn't that OSXXX?"

That would be Mac OS 10.10.10 or X.X.X.

 

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Of course one can look forward to a future event, but looking forward to something that you have no knowledge of is silly.

If I have a dinner date with Taylor Swift, I can look forward to that dinner. But it's hard for me to look forward to dinner on June 19 when I have no idea who I'll be having dinner with or what I'll be eating or where I'll be.

I have yet to be disappointed with the features and changes they've offered with a new version of Mac OS X so using that decade long precedence I can honestly say that I am looking forward to the next version of Mac OS X. That doesn't mean I will like it just as you may not like your date with Taylor Swift or the restaurant you go to or your expectations might be off from what actually happens, but in that same vein based on the current data set we can both look forward to the event… except that a new version of Mac OS X is actually going to happen.

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interesting that the trend line showing the presence of iOS 8 is identical...

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Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers View Post
interesting that the trend line showing the presence of iOS 8 is identical...

 

Well, you know us Apple users: always changing our user agents.

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Wow, is that all people are concerned with: naming convention? I thought it might be more interesting to have some rumours about new features. I would very much wan them to resolve having to separate file systems: Finder and iCloud. Really, if MS would do that, everybody would find this just laughable. So, please fix that!
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OS 10.10.10 would be X.X.X and I can not see Apple who does not like pornography will use.   They will go to OS 11 before they go to OS 10.10.

 

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post #49 of 199

So disappointed. I read this and thought "10.6.9, YES!" Then I read a little more... 10.9. Darn.

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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called. What big cats are left? They've already done cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard, snow leopard, lion, mountain lion.... What's left?

 

 

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Originally Posted by deekster_caddy View Post
So disappointed. I read this and thought "10.6.9, YES!" Then I read a little more... 10.9. Darn.

 

How did you miss the title, and why would you think Snow Leopard would get another update?

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According to Wikipedia Panther and Mountain Lion are the same animal. Puma and Cougar are also other names for that same animal. There is also Catamount, but that truly must be the lamest sounding big cat name. The big cat naming convention is getting old fast, though. One more, perhaps and I'm with the Sabre Tooth crew. 

 

jragosta, you really are sad if you can't look forward to an event without knowing all it will entail. By now you should know that all Apple events are great. The only thing that has been ruining these events over the last few years is that by the time they come around most of us have already moved on to the next thing. The reveal is inevitably a bit of a disappointment because its already old hat. Nonetheless, all Apple event days equate to low productivity days for me. 

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Will Apple be able to sell on the App Store, it is XXX after all...

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So what will happen after 10.9? 10.10?

 

Seems pretty likely given that 10 comes after 9.  

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OS 10.10.10 would be X.X.X and I can not see Apple who does not like pornography will use.   They will go to OS 11 before they go to OS 10.10.

 

They will never go to "OS 11."  

Ain't gonna happen.  

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This is a made up "problem," that only Geeks ever think about.   

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Why? No one knows what's in it, so how can you be looking forward to it?

From my perspective, since about 10.6, there's been little driving force for a change. I don't have anything that really needs to be changed (with one exception - Safari memory leaks), so I'm completely indifferent to a new OS.

That, of course, is balanced by the fact that upgrades are so easy and inexpensive that it's a matter of "might as well, even though I don't need it".
Great point as always jrag. That iCloud thing sucks. I hate having contacts, calendars, notes, photostream, bookmarks and messages sync with my Mac.
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post #58 of 199
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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called. What big cats are left? They've already done cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard, snow leopard, lion, mountain lion.... What's left?

After they finish with Mac OSX 10.9 though, they have to go to Mac OSXI 11.0. Mac OSX 10.10 would just be the same as Mac OSX 10.1.

 

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Hmm, OSX 10.10 - isn't that OSXXX?

 

Apple's never used ANY Roman #'s to denote a particular version of OS X, tho as noted, Apple's free to (but won't) release OSX X.X if they so choose, and as for the strength of the "OS X brand" which is nearly as established as "Windows" is for MS, and certainly as established as Android has (astonishingly) become in only four years.

Any OS XI (or whatever it might be called) would have to represent a deep re-architecting from where the electrons meet the substrate up.  Which might not be "OS anything," but Apple's free to not only release 10.10 and 10.11, but 10.37 many years from now if anything resembling today's personal computers still exist, if they want to. 

Also, cat names haven't hurt as branding devices either and there are plenty left if you dig, tho' many are synonyms, and there are always all the breeds of cats we have around us that could work.  E.g., Himalaya and Abyssinian come to mind, along with the hybrid cats like Bengal and Savannah, or if Cupertino's feeling whimsical, Calico - but likely not "Apple Domestic Short Hair," LoL. 

I personally have expressed being impressed with a few Android phones, but their code names, based around sugar-laden treats have always turned me off as a consumer to the point that it actively pushes me away from being put in the position of having to say, "Oh yeah, I have 'Ice Cream Sandwich'."  But I don't know any dog people who haven't bought a Mac because it was associated with cat names....
 

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I really hope 10.9 is last version of OS X and iOS will take over. I want OS X to be classic OS to be used for professionals, designers, scientists, video-makers and photographers, while iOS will be used for main stream.

 

Uhhh....

 

1. Didn't Windows just do this?  And look how that's taking off like wildfire at the sub-PC level, and moderately at best with their bread 'n butter PC OS. 

Plus at the moment, people have to purchase three different "Win 8 apps" to run on PC's, RT devices and phones.  Nothing confusing there. Nope. Uh-uhh. We cool.

 

2. The above made me realize something about the "new nomenclature" in the computing world.  Namely that in one sense it's technically wrong.  iPhones and iPads et. al are not really post-PC devices (except in the sense of being computing devices that came after PC's), rather, functionally, they're all sub-PC devices to date, since none are comparable in horsepower for serious computing tasks.  And yes, you can make and receive phone calls from a PC - with a phone number even, and for free, e.g. via Google Voice.  Which leads to....

3. Why are you "hoping" Apple deliberately dumbs down the base OS of its more capable machines and abandon all the things it does far better in some "Classic" ghetto?  NTM, we've been told over and over from the start (though not, I note, lately) that iOS IS OSX right down to its roots, or rather at base is a subset of OS X, so it seems more likely that Apple could provide a shell allowing iOS programs to run on OS X - even in a (full-screenable) window if they want to, and that actually sounds interesting and practical. 

 

In this mode, iOS apps might even allow for extensions when hosted on the parent platform that give them some additional functionality and interaction with the rest of OS X if that was desirable - and, yes, would allow people who choose to, to spend full time in that ONE MODE of OS X, shielding them from the rest. 

(This will only happen, BTW, when Apple adopts - as it will - touch screen capable PC class devices, I hasten to add.)

And then the market would dictate if that's the main way users want to interact with the PC device class.  All power to the consumer (balanced by Caveat Emptor!).  So any "merging" of the OS's could phase in seamlessly without costing those of us who can compute in more than one way anything in the short run.

Consider how well other shells like VM Ware Fusion and Parallels can already run the alien system of Windows within the Mac Desktop, and it seems obvious Apple could do an even more seamless version of this for iOS on OS X.

4. What I was saying about post- vs. sub-PC devices leaves me salivating over the prospects of what truly more capable and different from today's PC's actual post-PC devices might be and what revolutionary new capabilities, functions and form factors they'll have.....

 


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Seven betas so far of 10.8.3. Is that enough?

 

Curious about your experiences:

 

1. Which bugs?
2. How do we know they're not by design?

3. I preemptively agree with some of them you might say. lol.gif

 

Actually nine betas of 10.8.3!

 

I am going for Sabre-toothed tiger as well. 

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post #61 of 199
10.9 could be called Lynx. To those saying SL is superior to Lion or ML, what are you smoking? I use both SL and ML on 2 different systems, and the differences are stark. The iOS integration Apple have implemented into ML was sorely needed. No more third party apps just to get my device to work with my Mac. Cloud services and OTA updates, what's not to like. Fine, be troglodyte, but don't trash talk something you're too afraid to use. I've been using Macs since the Macintosh was released. I think I know the difference between good and bad Apple OS's.
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They can always move to Bears or Predator Birds, not to mention Sharks.

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How did you miss the title, and why would you think Snow Leopard would get another update?

I've been so hoping for 10.6.9 that I saw 10.9 and mentally inserted the 6...

Why might Snow Leopard get another update? I know it won't but I'd love to be able to access my Photo Stream. But that's for another topic. Just hopeful is all.

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"doing a commercial for the 'Big Plate' featuring the 'San Francisco Fifty-Minus-One-ers' and the 'Baltimore Blackbirds.'"

 

Very similar to their product strategy. Changing things just enough to sneak by legally. 

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I suspect at some point in the not-too-distant future Apple will merge OSX and iOS into a single operating system. The two have been converging in features and design for years, so it doesn't seem that unreasonable.

 

Never going to happen in our lifetimes.

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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called.

 

Ocelot?
 

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Going forward I am more concerned about the issue raised by John Siracusa in his review of ML:

 

"How many more changes can Objective-C bear? The amount of syntax piggybacking on the poor @character is already getting a bit out of hand. This is the price of C (and C++) compatibility, I suppose, but I still feel like this all has to come to a head eventually.

It's hard to argue with the results so far, however. Through hard work and extremely clever engineering, Apple's language and compiler team has been able to hold its own against the youngsters with their virtual machines and dynamic languages for the past seven years. I wouldn't bet against them keeping up for at least seven more."

 

If OSX is going to hit a wall then each year brings us closer to that wall. What are the plans to avoid this? And where is the needed new file system? 

 

see 

 

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/17/#objective-c-enhancements


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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called. What big cats are left? They've already done cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard, snow leopard, lion, mountain lion.... What's left?

I vote for White Lion. Rare but beautiful!
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I vote for White Lion. Rare but beautiful!


If they truly "integrate" iOS into OS X, the cross-breed mix "Liger" would be perf...

(Lion/Tiger mix - and, yes, I grew up seeing one in the local (SLC) zoo, where "Shasta the Liger" was a major attraction for over 20 years, and is still memorialized today.)

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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm almost positive Tim Cook or one of the other higher-ups at Apple had said that Mountain Lion was going to be the final version of OSX... so could these instances of 10.9 actually be a cue that OSXI will be released this year?
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Originally Posted by deekster_caddy View Post
Why might Snow Leopard get another update? I know it won't but I'd love to be able to access my Photo Stream. But that's for another topic. Just hopeful is all.

 

Mountain Lion is $20. Lion is $30. And your computer has to be ~five years old not to run Mountain Lion, much less Lion.

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The same way people look forward to an IMac release even if they habpve no intention of buying this year.   

 

I have to agree about Safari.    There isn't a driving force for change because there isn't a huge need. Apple has at this point a good solid 64 bit OS in Mac OS/X it doesn't need a lot of change   Especially not change for the sake of change.  

 

However I do expect a lot of incremental improvements and probably more integration with things like Passbook.   I'd also expect expect a few new features.   I'm really thinking it is time for Apple to deliver a universal scripting system, that is a common language for both the iOS devices and Mac systems.   Finally they really need to do something about the mess that is iCloud.  

 

As to upgrades I do them immediately upon arrival.  As you note they are cheap but more importantly each release brings with it an improved operating system and a series of included apps.  For the modest cost each update has generally improved the performance of my old Mac Book Pro. 

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Why? No one knows what's in it, so how can you be looking forward to it?

From my perspective, since about 10.6, there's been little driving force for a change. I don't have anything that really needs to be changed (with one exception - Safari memory leaks), so I'm completely indifferent to a new OS.

That, of course, is balanced by the fact that upgrades are so easy and inexpensive that it's a matter of "might as well, even though I don't need it".
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How about Maine Coon?   

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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called. What big cats are left? They've already done cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard, snow leopard, lion, mountain lion.... What's left?

After they finish with Mac OSX 10.9 though, they have to go to Mac OSXI 11.0. Mac OSX 10.10 would just be the same as Mac OSX 10.1.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm almost positive Tim Cook or one of the other higher-ups at Apple had said that Mountain Lion was going to be the final version of OSX... so could these instances of 10.9 actually be a cue that OSXI will be released this year?

 

They have never said anything of the sort or even hinted in that direction, so your recollections are faulty.  Given that, how likely do you think it is that you are accurate about OS XI?  

 

Besides which there will never be an "OS XI."  It makes literally no sense at all to use that name.  It's just something that obsessive compulsive geeks (you know the type that still make fun of people who say "Oh-Ess-Ex" instead of "Oh-Ess-Ten"), like to obsess about.  

 

- Why does it have to go from 10.10 to 11.0 instead of 10.11?  No reason at all. 

- Why would Apple give up the best branding they ever had (OS X) for "OS XI" which the average person won't be able to even read?  No reason at all. 

 

The day Apple comes out with OS XI, you can sell your stock because they will have proved themselves idiots who don't have a clue.  It'a far more likely that they just say "It's just called OS X from now on" (pronounced "Oh-Ess-Ex" the way 99% of the public pronounces it) and then hide the version numbers underneath and never talk about them again, instead giving each new release a snappy name (hopefully completely unrelated to the tacky cat-names).  

 

The general public doesn't give a crap about what version they are on, they certainly don't care (and most don't even know) what "point" version they are on.  Apple should really just move to automatic updates in the background without even giving the users the ability to opt out.  

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jragosta
, you really are sad if you can't look forward to an event without knowing all it will entail.

That's absurd. I never said that you need to know all that it would entail. I just said there's no reason to get excited when you know NOTHING about what it will entail.

I could just as easily argue that your life must be very shallow if you get excited and look forward to something that you know nothing about.
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In this context it isn't a decimal point, rather it is simply a separator.  

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And in case you guys didn't know, adding a 0 on the end of a decimal is pointless. lol
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Great point as always jrag. That iCloud thing sucks. I hate having contacts, calendars, notes, photostream, bookmarks and messages sync with my Mac.
Sarcasm on all 3 sentences btw.

Actually, there's a strong argument for saying that iCloud was a major step backwards - which simply supports my argument.

The main thing I used mac.com for was iDisk - I could mirror ALL my files to the iDisk and have them shared among my computers as well as a secure off-line backup. When Apple replaced that with iCloud, it was a big let down - since most of my files are from apps that don't support iCloud's backup storage.
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What advantage is there for Appleton do this and more importantly how can Apple's customer base leverage such an abortion?     Right now the two OS compliment each other.  

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I think iOS and OS X will combine at some point! Will it be with iOS 7 and OS 11????
 
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Besides which there will never be an "OS XI."  It makes literally no sense at all to use that name.

 

Yep, there will never be an iPad mini. You're right about that.

 

OF COURSE there will be an OS XI. We've had ten OS'… and so the number that comes next is… ?


- Why does it have to go from 10.10 to 11.0 instead of 10.11?  No reason at all. 

 

Right, but how does that preclude the existence of an OS XI?


- Why would Apple give up the best branding they ever had (OS X) for "OS XI" which the average person won't be able to even read?  No reason at all. 

 

The subjective best branding they've ever subjectively had? You mean the names that change every year and a half and which people don't seem to mind seeing changed? "iPhone OS" became "iOS"; they didn't bat an eye.


It'a far more likely that they just say "It's just called OS X from now on"…

"I can't wait for OS X's new version: 10.572!" 😒

 

(pronounced "Oh-Ess-Ex" the way 99% of the public pronounces it)

 

A~nd there goes the argument.


…and then hide the version numbers underneath and never talk about them again…

 

So only making it MORE confusing when they go to get help from the people who care. Got it.


Apple should really just move to automatic updates in the background without even giving the users the ability to opt out.  

 

Phenomenally terrible idea.

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I wonder what Mac OSX 10.9 will be called. What big cats are left? They've already done cheetah, puma, jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard, snow leopard, lion, mountain lion.... What's left?

After they finish with Mac OSX 10.9 though, they have to go to Mac OSXI 11.0. Mac OSX 10.10 would just be the same as Mac OSX 10.1.

 

If there is one thing that proves Steve Jobs' taste was not infallible it's the "cat names" on OS X and the subsequent graphic design nightmares necessary for box art.  

Case in point: 

 

 

The sooner they get rid of this crap the better.  

 

Ask any serious artist or designer what's the tackiest possible pattern one could use in a design, or what pattern is so tacky that it almost personifies tackiness itself.  The answer will almost invariably be "animal prints" or "leopard spots."  This has been true for as long as I can recall (and that's a long time). 

 

The only thing worse, is the tech industries sad history of using "scary animal names" in general like Eagles, Bears, etc. which are supposed to be "Harsh" or "Xtreeme!" or "Intense" and indicate some kind of macho-manly whatever.  It's tasteless and tacky and it has never quite "fit" IMO with the whole Apple aesthetic.  

 

I think the recent desktop switch to space imagery is a good direction to go.  They should ditch the tacky kitty-cat crap altogether and go with space/galaxy type names.  

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