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The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office on Tuesday granted Apple a patent for an invention that integrates a touch sensor array with a solar panel, allowing for portable device to be both power-efficient and compact.

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Apple's newly-granted U.S. Patent No. 8,368,654 for an "Integrated touch sensor and solar assembly" points directly to the system's use in portable electronic devices like a media player or phone. The technology is arguably most useful in these types of products as consumer demand for larger, power-hungry screens is pushing the limit of battery design.

Instead of merely layering solar cells within the touchscreen's array, the '654 patent calls for true integration, meaning the solar panel can operate as both an energy harvesting component as well as an optical sensor. To accomplish this feat, the touch panel's electrodes are used for both capacitive sensing and collecting solar energy. Further, because the proposed component includes electrodes that offer the same "coverage" as a typical solar panel, it provides "far more quadrants or pixels" to be used as touch sensors.

Unlike capacitive touch panels, such as those used in Apple's iPhone, the hybrid system's solar panels can be used to simultaneously provide optical-based sensing while capturing and converting energy.

The patent offers a number of examples to illustrate the benefits of having a dual-mode touch panel. In one case, when an approaching object such a finger is detected, the panel may switch to a "capacitive sensing mode" for precise input, increasing the number of capacitive cycles within a given time period. In other situations, the panel may cycle between "solar power/optical sensing mode" and "capacitive sensing mode" depending on whether an object is near the screen. If no object is detected, the number of capacitive cycles is reduced, giving the electrodes more time to facilitate energy production from the solar cells.

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Behind the scenes, a so-called "traffic control" unit, which can be either a hardware or software solution, decides whether generated energy should be allocated to running the device or sent to the battery for storage.

Physically, the capacitive touch sensors and solar cells are separated using isolation trenches, though both are routed through multiplexer circuitry. The MUX is fed either touch signals or power from the solar cells and delivers them to the CPU or power management unit, respectively.

While the technology may not be incorporated into the next iPhone Apple releases, the patent could help in cutting valuable space from the handset. With the most recent iPhone 5, Apple used in-cell touch panel technology to bring the phone's depth down to 7.6 millimeters.

Apple first filed for the '654 patent in September 2008 and credits Michael Nathaniel Rosenblatt, Benjamin Lyon, John Benjamin Filson, Steve Porter Hotelling, Gordon Cameron and Cameron Frazier as its inventors.
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Dope.
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I've never understood the value of solar energy for devices you carry in your pocket.

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If it actually works it would be a great patent to have.
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This is just a "cover your ass" type of patent intended for that far off day when (and if) solar power ever gets to the conversion rates necessary for anyone to really care about it.
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This is just a "cover your ass" type of patent intended for that far off day when (and if) solar power ever gets to the conversion rates necessary for anyone to really care about it.

Or if CPUs get so efficient that even sh*tty solar cells are good enough.

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This is just a "cover your ass" type of patent intended for that far off day when (and if) solar power ever gets to the conversion rates necessary for anyone to really care about it.
I could see some use in this. If it allowed even a moderate improvement in battery life it would be great. I imagine right now it would be somewhat cost prohibitive, but it wouldn't red to power the entire device. Imagine if you were able to get 25-30% better battery performance on your devices because they could draw some charge throughout the day. Could be a way to stretch battery life or use a smaller lighter battery for the same device. I think it would be more useful in an iPad type device then a phone tho.
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Why, a device like this could power itself using just the light from the screen.

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Or if CPUs get so efficient that even sh*tty solar cells are good enough.

Assuming the imbedded solar cell has the same characteristics as a regular solar cell, one the size of an iphone screen could fully charge the battery in 2 to 3 hours.  Mine sits on my desk most of my working hours so I could probably get by without ever having to plug it in.

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I've never understood the value of solar energy for devices you carry in your pocket.

 

Anything to increase the battery life of a device is a good thing. If it extends standby time by say 50% and onscreen time by 20% (pulling numbers out of the air), that would be awesome.

 

If you read the article or the patent, the patent says that the device will sense if you are touching the display or not. When it is sensing that your are not touching the display, it will auto-switch the touch/solar layer to solar mode and either recharge the battery or help power the device. When your finger approaches, it will auto-switch back to touch sensing mode.

 

When you are using your phone you are not actually touching the display all the time. Out of 1 hour of playing web browsing, you could only be touching the display 10% of the time. So, if you are using the phone during the daytime, 90% of the time, it could be collecting solar energy and helping extend battery life. Collecting energy while in standby would just be gravy.

 

I don't know how many watts it can collect though. It's probably not efficient enough and isn't worth the effort, considering we don't see a device with it today.

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I've never understood the value of solar energy for devices you carry in your pocket.

That assumes it only stays in your pocket. Phones on the go, no, you won't get much benefit, but if it's at your desk, table, etc, then maybe. It really depends on the power efficiency, collector area and ambient light.

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Or if CPUs get so efficient that even sh*tty solar cells are good enough.

Might even be enough to run an eink tablet indefinitely.
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iPhone 5, Apple used in-cell touch panel technology to bring the phone's depth down to 7.6 millimeters.  How thin is thin enough?  Next thing we will hear is future iPhones breaking because they are to thin.

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That assumes it only stays in your pocket. Phones on the go, no, you won't get much benefit, but if it's at your desk, table, etc, then maybe. It really depends on the power efficiency, collector area and ambient light.

Yup, and when it's in your pocket maybe it can charge off a gyro.

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Again it is a device carried in your pocket.   

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Anything to increase the battery life of a device is a good thing. If it extends standby time by say 50% and onscreen time by 20% (pulling numbers out of the air), that would be awesome.

 

If you read the article or the patent, the patent says that the device will sense if you are touching the display or not. When it is sensing that your are not touching the display, it will auto-switch the touch/solar layer to solar mode and either recharge the battery or help power the device. When your finger approaches, it will auto-switch back to touch sensing mode.

 

When you are using your phone you are not actually touching the display all the time. Out of 1 hour of playing web browsing, you could only be touching the display 10% of the time. So, if you are using the phone during the daytime, 90% of the time, it could be collecting solar energy and helping extend battery life. Collecting energy while in standby would just be gravy.

 

I don't know how many watts it can collect though. It's probably not efficient enough and isn't worth the effort, considering we don't see a device with it today.

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Don't get excited doubtful we will ever see this patent incorporated in any IPhone
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Yup, and when it's in your pocket maybe it can charge off a gyro.

 

Well, it already has a gyro.

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Some rough calculations:

  an iPhone face is about 0.120x 0.060 meters, bright daylight is about 500 W/m^2, if you have a 15% efficient solar cell, that would be about 0.5 Watts of power.

  The iPhone battery is about 5 Watt-hours. If you go through 40% of your charge per day, that is 2 W-hours.

  Lots of caveats (e.g. You lose some efficiency when charging the battery, the whole face might not be cells, most places aren't that bright, 15% may be too high, etc...), but it is at least possible that if you have a bright office and take your phone out for a few hours a day you might be able to avoid charging it for days or weeks at a time. I could at least see a possible use case, though I am not sure the costs (size, weight, $) would be worth it.
 

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I've never understood the value of solar energy for devices you carry in your pocket.

 

Solar phones will be shipped with an iHat

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People assume the majority of time one carries their phone in their pocket. The same for their iPod. Ironic to note th at the majority of time is in your hands or on a table nearby for one to access at all times, especially outside. Even athletes with iPod minis have them strapped to their arm when exercising. Put a little coupled system on there for power storage and do the same for smartphones or tablets. Even laptops.

People spend a large portion of their time around sunlight.
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I was hoping apple would patent this technology, came up with a way my self, they should call it
S. U. N. Display
Stands for: Solar Unibody Natural, the title is weird yet acronym matches.
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If it allowed even a moderate improvement in battery life it would be great...
Imagine if you were able to get 25-30% better battery performance

This would do nothing for battery improvement/performance.

It would simply reduce the need to plug in to charge.

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This would do nothing for battery improvement/performance.
It would simply reduce the need to plug in to charge.

You're playing semantics. The end result is the same. If I can go longer without actually having to plug in my device to charge it, I don't care if its technically increased battery performance or not. What I care about is that my device has increased performance and is more useful.
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You're playing semantics. The end result is the same.

I'm not playing semantics and its not the same.

I'd much rather have battery improvement and increased performance instead of having it charge without plugging it in.

If the battery performance increased, you would not have to charge it as often, plugged in or not.

 

Comparing it to a car, would you rather have a larger gas tank (don't have to fill up as often) or better gas mileage (use less gas)?

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Comparing it to a car, would you rather have a larger gas tank (don't have to fill up as often) or better gas mileage (use less gas)?
This isn't the same. Obviously in a car it matters a great deal because I'm paying for the gas. I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't care if my car actually got better gas mileage or if it somehow magically made more gas while I was driving. I could go longer between fill ups and it wouldn't cost me any more. This is a ridiculous but more accurate comparison.
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This isn't the same. Obviously in a car it matters a great deal because I'm paying for the gas. I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't care if my car actually got better gas mileage or if it somehow magically made more gas while I was driving. I could go longer between fill ups and it wouldn't cost me any more. This is a ridiculous but more accurate comparison.

I didn't say it was an exact comparison but obviously you are not interested. You seem to think the battery will "magically" be a better battery by charging it.

 

Back to my original point (and you original statement).

 

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If it allowed even a moderate improvement in battery life it would be great...
Imagine if you were able to get 25-30% better battery performance

This would do nothing for battery improvement/performance.

It would simply reduce the need to plug in to charge (as often).

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On top of the solar aspect, It sounds like you wind up with a display with built-in, very high-resolution, capacitive AND optical sensors. This could open up entirely new interactions with the device, possibly even "mouse-over" type events.
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I've never understood the value of solar energy for devices you carry in your pocket.

You mean ... like calculators? Yeah, those pocket gadgets would never run on solar cells. No way.

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You mean ... like calculators? Yeah, those pocket gadgets would never run on solar cells. No way.

Not quite the same. Solar calculators generally don't have backlights, I haven't seen such anyway. They are incredibly thrifty with power that it makes phones look gluttonously thirsty in comparison.

I can see this mainly extending standby. A solar cell on a phone can't keep up with the backlight's power needs, the efficiency just isn't even close.
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Not quite the same. Solar calculators generally don't have backlights, I haven't seen such anyway. They are incredibly thrifty with power that it makes phones look gluttonously thirsty in comparison.

I can see this mainly extending standby. A solar cell on a phone can't keep up with the backlight's power needs, the efficiency just isn't even close.
Especially since this Is solar glass, however this could extend battery life(act like it) and minorly charge when sitting in sun, I hope they still combine many technology's so that a no cord IPhone could come out.
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Some rough calculations:
  an iPhone face is about 0.120x 0.060 meters, bright daylight is about 500 W/m^2, if you have a 15% efficient solar cell, that would be about 0.5 Watts of power.
  The iPhone battery is about 5 Watt-hours. If you go through 40% of your charge per day, that is 2 W-hours.
  Lots of caveats...

If it was 0.5 W, that's almost enough to power the device by itself. The quoted runtime for video watching or WiFi browsing is 10 hrs. With a 5 WHr battery, that's 0.5 W.

So it's doubtful the concept here, dual touch sensor and solar cell, can come close to that. Or maybe there or other things preventing companies from doing it, like not being transparent or or some other thing.

They could add a solar panel on the back. In which case, users have to change habits and always leave their phones out with the back facing the light.

If they could get 0.5 W, transform the current to something useable, and make the layer thin, I have to imagine some company would already have tried it. No one has.
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I liked an earlier patent that Apple filed allowing the unit to charge the battery by movement like a self winding watch.  THAT I think would be great if it worked since putting a phone in your pocket or carrying around a tablet in your hands while they sway back and forth while you walk would trickle charge the battery. 

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I liked an earlier patent that Apple filed allowing the unit to charge the battery by movement like a self winding watch.  THAT I think would be great if it worked since putting a phone in your pocket or carrying around a tablet in your hands while they sway back and forth while you walk would trickle charge the battery. 
To note that, this is also in my future apple device drawings
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