Apple 'leaving money on the table' by not releasing big-screen iPhone - Page 4

But you really can't say that it won't either.

 

[citation needed]

 

No, it takes lawsuits. Anyone can churn out whatever crap they want and people will pay for it because it's one cent cheaper than the better alternative.

 

But you agree with what I said, since you don't seem to have any sort of reply or rebuttal.

You'd have to be a fool to think Apple isn't going for marketshare. It just doesn't need said.

And how do you know those could've been Apple customers?

 

Sorry, but not having majority market share doesn't make you a niche product. 10% of anything isn't a niche, nor is raw market share alone the only consideration regarding whether something is a niche product. Macs are not niche products. Apple isn't chasing niches.

 

Sorry, that's not an argument either.

Not entirely. The other comment I find most often as to why Android users choose it over iPhone is customizability. You can swap just about everything out from the keyboard to the widgets and icons. Many people like that personalization they can do.

Why, because it isn't YOUR argument? That was so dumb, I have no idea why you bothered...

Stay in denial all you want...

 

I'm pretty sure you're just a troll at this point, but, no, the evidence is in and history does not in fact repeat itself.

No1 wants big ass phones .. except a few idiots who would be better off with a android in the first way. I say.. Just leave the current screen size and stop whit the nonsence of the "screen battle"

Don't need a citation. I was waging a bet, not asserting a fact.

 

Then explain to me how the iPod won out? It wasn't the cheapest. Certainly products from Sandisk and others were cheaper.

 

No, I don't. I think it was so stupid, it didn't require a rebuttal.

Look what happen to Apple in the last year, they only had the most profitable calendar year in human history. Such a failure. They have 2/3 rds of the mobile profits and yet they are "falling behind". Gimme a break. Apple will release a 5" iPhone if and when it's ready (and profitable).

Btw, Apple missed out on those net books too.

Funny, given the marketshare outside US, the market seems to disagree with you. Android now pummels the iPhone in worldwide marketshare.

It's not a argument it's the truth.

Phablets feed the 'bigger is better' croud.. the 'muscle' nerds large move to it because it was the latest.. Then you have those that don't want to carry 2 devices, and merge the two with a phablet.

My issue, updates - Samsung design's a pre-death nail into their products when it comes to updates, they draaaaag their feet as long as possible once it's not the newest device to 'encourage' you to upgrade.. they make money from that, not the OS updates. I've had a iPhone 4 since retail. it's running iOS 6.1 - yea, it doesn't get all features, but it's not the newest. But at least it's up-to-date and secure.

Me, I end up reaching for m tablet anyway. So I figure, stick with what I have.

Hey buddy, GM once had 60% marketshare and was the most profitable car company in the world. Where are they now?

And that's why it's popular and legal to install custom ROMs like Cyanogenmod when the phone starts to age. Not an elegant solution, but it works for many of them. Then there's the Nexus route, which is mostly like the iPhone, except its not available on all carriers.

I may do the same.

You guys have never actually seen a Nexus 4 or a Galaxy III, have you?  I'm wondering if you've even seen a mini.

 

Right, because we've seen how dialed in to that you are. 

That's a informal fallacy that represents a false dichotomy. He never stated that it won't happen again only that you can't say it will happen again simply because it has happened before.

I'm a huge apple fan, and I'd much rather have a 5 inch or bigger phone from them, but I wasn't going to hold my breath.  A few months ago I switched to a Galaxy Note 2 and I absolutely love it.  I'm a huge reader, both online and kindle books, and the screen is nearly identical in size to a paper back book and incredibly comfortable to read on.  I don't think it's better...it just suits me very well.

 

I find people criticizing larger screened phones to a bit lazy.  The complaint is almost invariably mingled with the idea that it is too big "for a phone."  I've been saying for two years now that the device in your pocket is not a phone.  It has phone technology, but it isn't a phone.  Less than a year ago I jailbroke my iphone and stuck an app on it that allowed me to view which apps I used the most.  After the first and second month my "phone" app was at number thirteen.  It's even "worse" now - I have the smallest phone call plan available and  I still only talk for a total about about twenty or thirty minutes a month...of my 450 minute plan.  At the top of the list: text messages, email, facebook, zite, kindle, dropbox, google docs, and the like.  After two years of this kind of result (I used both my iphone 4 and 4s the same way) I'm surprised more people haven't really caught on: as much as humans have a disposition to take what they're given, we really ought to stop calling these devices "phones."  Especially if there are twelve other things I do on mine far more often.  Even if my galaxy note 2 was bigger than the beast you had in your kitchen in the eighties and early nineties, can you really say my phone is "too big" for an email browser/composer? Messaging?  Reading magazine-type information?  Reading paperback-sized books?  Sure, I talk on the phone occasionally, but most of my calls last about one or two minutes.  Does anyone really think I am hindered by holding something that is merely one inch longer than what everyone else holds to their ear? 

 

Yeah, we call them phones.  But one could just as easily call it any of the names of the twelve apps I use more than my phone.  And I'd bet anyone I know a hundred dollars their phone app is not in their top three most used apps.  I'll win a lot more money than I lose.  It's not a phone.  It's a mobile device.  Hell...it's literally a Personal Computer.  Calling it a PC makes more technical sense than calling it a phone.  One handed use is nice, but I'm not concerned about how many hands I have to use when I'm standing in line or sitting on a couch browsing the web or reading a book.  Your phone is a PC, folks.  And the perfect size is the one that fits your needs the most. 

I can answer you. What you are calling a "phone" for me it's a pocket computer which happens to be also a communication device. But its first function, for me, is as a computer. My desktop computer had always the biggest screen I could get, or afford. Why? Because I need to work on my computer screen and I want as much information on the screen as possible. That's why I have bought first a 14 inch display, then 15, 21, 24, and finally 27 inch. On my pocket computer I want the same thing. A big screen so I can work comfortably and see as much information as possible but also it should still fit in my pocket so I can have maximum mobility. Why not an iPad? It doesn't fit into my pocket. I want a pocket computer not a bag computer.

Fixed that for ya, AI.

No troll at all. You're just someone that lives, breathes, and craps everything Apple and believes it cannot do anything wrong - the hypnotized... That's exactly what makes companies make bad decisions - when they no longer have anyone telling them their ideas aren't perfect. Like I said, I've seen all the ups and downs. I've owned Macs when everyone thought it would just go the way of the dinosaur. I sure hope Apple doesn't begin another tailspin. If they miss market opportunities or fail to refresh their product according to market demands, this will happen. Just think, Blackberry was king and RIM was on top of the world. Then came the announcement of the iPhone... The same thing can happen to any company.

 

Uh… huh.

 

Another falsehood.

 

No, it won't.

 

No, Tim Cook obviously is not stupid enough to ignore YOU. I mean, not YOU. Oh, the horror. I'm sure retaining YOUR business is the top priority of Tim Cook and Apple.  

 

Honestly, I don't think anyone gives a shit what you buy- so stop being so self-righteous, threatening to leave Apple, and just buy whatever you want. Believe it or not, Tim Cook won't lose any sleep over your busying decision, so stop pretending he will. I have nothing against a bigger phone, but your childish attitude is moronic. 

 

Let's see, they used to make Hummers, didn't they?

What happened to that "bigger/better" market?

Yeah, that was the reason for their demise... They still make Suburbans. Dumb answer.

You miss the fact that he's not alone. There are others out there the feel the same. There are Android users that would be iPhone users if they had the option. Glad you're not running a company because you are completely closed off to other ideas. That doesn't work very well too long in business.

No he's acting like it never happened before.

That's right. We can't tell leaves and trees apart.

I have been an iPhone user since 2007 as well, and i -almost- switched to a Galaxy SIII or Note II before I upgraded to my iPhone 5. The screen size was the big draw for me and why I almost made the switch, but remained with Apple mainly due to the ecosystem. We have multiple tablets at our house (iPad, Kindle Fires), but I'd really like a larger screen phone to reduce eye strain and allow me to read on it for extended periods without going nuts. I would love a larger screen option for iPhone. The "phonification" of the iPad mini is a great idea, but I believe that the mini is just a bit too large for practical phone use.

I don't get why some of you even care if Apple made a bigger phone. Don't buy it, stay with the smaller one, but plenty will definitely buy a bigger one.

Because all these phones lose on every single metric against the iPhone (besides the screen size) and android does not provide a similar user experience. even if it is half of that number, do the math.

Exactly, including me. I love my iPhone, but I want a bigger screen. I see this as a lost opportunity for Apple if they don't do something like this.

Are you so close minded to believe I'm just ONE? I can guarantee you that Tim Cook IS losing sleep right now because he chose to ignore me... and the other millions who want a big screen. Look where AAPL is right now. Do you think 450 is low? Just wait until it hits 300!

Then what's the 11" MBA? Just an expensive net book.

I valid reason might be they are shareholders and think it would be a bad direction for the company but I haven't heard anyone say that simply don't want it to exist.

I have heard many people say it needs to exist because there are Android-based phones that are bigger. I don't think Apple matching the size of an Android-based device simply because it exists makes any sense.

I certainly have no problem with it and have argued as to how Apple could do it based on their history of the iPad mini. I don't think I'll be interested in it (just like I'm not interested in the iPad mini, but for different reasons) but I'm perfectly fine if it exists… and I assume most others are, too, so long as Apple is doing because they see a market desire they can capitalized on not simply because a competitor vendor did it.
Edited by SolipsismX - 2/5/13 at 11:13am

Most people don't take metrics into consideration. Some people just don't choose Apple devices. There are plenty that chose Android before the big screens came out.