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post #41 of 47
2/6/13 at 6:30am
If UPS is going to continue to sell it's daily route data exclusively to Nokia, then perhaps Apple should shift 100% of it 's shipping & deliveries to FedEx.

That UPS data would go a long way toward improving Maps.
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post #42 of 47
2/6/13 at 9:37am
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Not at all.

They both provide mapping services in Europe, so if you think one is worse, you need to provide evidence.

In China, Google doesn't provide mapping services at all, so Apple's Maps is clearly better:
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/02/02/China-considers-Google-Maps-request/UPI-56811328221971/
IOW, you don't have any facts to back your claim.
Wrong. Some of the people whining about Apple Maps don't even own iDevices. Your claim that every complaint comes from iPhone users is clearly false - just like the rest of your claims.
You keep claiming that Apple Maps is terrible. That begs the question - terrible compared to what?

We're back to your making unfounded claims without evidence and without even considering whether they're better than the alternatives or not. If you claim you're not even considering Google Maps, then your claims are even more ridiculous.

 

As I said the only evidence I could possibly collect wouldn't convince you. the "anecdotal" evidence I have is that it doesn't work well for me, or anybody I know and I work across numbers cities in Ireland and the UK. They can't be all liars, even if they don't manage to meet the standards of data needed by random guy on the internet; and given the CEO of the company suggesting his clients use other software doesn't convince you either of the failure of Apple Maps, I don't think much else will.

 

Good for Apple in China. Apple Maps are better in China. I don't care.

 

Some of the people who complain about Apple Maps may not own devices, all the people I know do.

 

I didn't say I wasn't considering Google Maps, I was responding to the straw man argument that I ( and others) claim it is perfect. Until then I hadn't mentioned GOogle.

 

But I will now: , for me and everybody I know who has a iDevice in the UK and/or Ireland Google Maps are functional - not perfect - and Apple Maps are useless  ( in terms of data) and not getting better. I believe the field outside Dublin called airfield, is still designated as an airport.  For instance. I am glad it works in your neck of the woods, it doesn't here. Its a big big big world.

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post #43 of 47
2/6/13 at 10:09am
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As I said the only evidence I could possibly collect wouldn't convince you. the "anecdotal" evidence I have is that it doesn't work well for me, or anybody I know and I work across numbers cities in Ireland and the UK. They can't be all liars, even if they don't manage to meet the standards of data needed by random guy on the internet; and given the CEO of the company suggesting his clients use other software doesn't convince you either of the failure of Apple Maps, I don't think much else will.

Good for Apple in China. Apple Maps are better in China. I don't care.

Some of the people who complain about Apple Maps may not own devices, all the people I know do.

I didn't say I wasn't considering Google Maps, I was responding to the straw man argument that I ( and others) claim it is perfect. Until then I hadn't mentioned GOogle.

But I will now: , for me and everybody I know who has a iDevice in the UK and/or Ireland Google Maps are functional - not perfect - and Apple Maps are useless  ( in terms of data) and not getting better. I believe the field outside Dublin called airfield, is still designated as an airport.  For instance. I am glad it works in your neck of the woods, it doesn't here. Its a big big big world.

So your argument boils down to:
"I don't have any real facts and don't care about the facts. All I care about is that the world revolves around me and my friends and no one else matters".
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post #44 of 47
2/6/13 at 11:31am

To paraphrase Steve Jobs:  "Google Maps doesn't have to lose for Apple Maps to win!"

"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
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post #45 of 47
2/6/13 at 1:20pm
jragosta, your blind defence of this company disgusts me. I love Apple, but they're extremely far from perfect. My experience with Apple Maps has been disgraceful and I'm thankful for Google having made their maps application available.
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post #46 of 47
2/6/13 at 1:35pm
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jragosta, your blind defence of this company disgusts me. I love Apple, but they're extremely far from perfect. My experience with Apple Maps has been disgraceful and I'm thankful for Google having made their maps application available.

His logic is sound because there is no reasonable way to test which one is ultimately better or worse. We can run tests that will determine a winner or loser but will those tests be bias? Will those tests be a representative sample the entire world'd addresses and PoI's? By what criteria do we measure turn by turn directions? For example, the ideal time before a turn that you are informed. What about app crashes, cluttered UI, features, etc.

Just look at web browsers. Is Safari better than Chrome on the Mac or vice versa? I prefer Safari and Apple has tests showing that Safari is faster, but others prefer Chrome and Google has tests showing Chrome is faster? In that sense I wholeheartedly agree that we don't know which is better because we can't even do a decent test like we can with a browser.

That said, I believe Google Maps is better in their accuracy simply by virtue of the fact they've had a lot longer to perfect it, I've read their Street View car images have GPS coordinates which their employees can use to more accurately and more quickly make changes, and they are putting in more than $1 billion a year into the service. Now do any of those add up to proof it's better? Of course not, but my educated guess is that it is… but it's still just a guess.

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post #47 of 47
2/7/13 at 4:22am
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A question to all those denying that Apple Maps has a problem with reliable data:

Why, at least for London, is the map used for iCloud's Find My iPhone web page much more accurate than the one for iOS?

Because it uses GoogleMaps¿
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