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Such a question is nonsense.

 

 

Exactly.  

 

That's why Apple don't build them.  

 

They build A.I.Os.  

 

That's what they sell for Mac OSX and iOS.  That's what they do.  Thinner.  Smaller.  Sealed units.  They have their life span.  Rinse.  Repeat.

 

Coulda woulda shoulda?  

 

See Apple's stores for what they 'do.'

 

It aint no X-Mac.

 

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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Exactly.  

That's why Apple don't build them.  
It is pretty amazing the way you go out of your way to try to spin things to your favor but add no substance.
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They build A.I.Os.  
Kodak built silver based film for years until they failed to adapt to market realities. Do you think Apple should go the way of Kodak with the Mac Line up. The reality is Apple is in a rut with the desktop lineup.
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That's what they sell for Mac OSX and iOS.  That's what they do.  Thinner.  Smaller.  Sealed units.  They have their life span.  Rinse.  Repeat.
Which excludes them from a significant market share that they can't currently even try to enter.
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Coulda woulda shoulda?  

See Apple's stores for what they 'do.'

It aint no X-Mac.

Lemon Bon Bon.

That may be so but the local Apple store only has one iMac and a Mini on display, are you going to be happy if those are no longer available too? It just isn't good for a company like Apple to let a lineup like the desktops languish and age on the vine. It generates a lack of confidence in the company from the customer base. You can see that now in the postings from the Mac Pro crowd on these forums over the last couple of years and from many of the Mini owners that see that platform going backwards. Even the iMac has become a joke for serious users of computer hardware.

Frankly you can post all the glorious bits about the iMac you want but the machine is a joke for most business uses now. If you can't access the power supply and hard drive on a computer it isn't taken seriously in the business world. You can offer up all the half assed solutions you want but they simply aren't taken seriously in most circles.
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This long delay in a meaningful MacPro update/replacement reminds of me of the bad old days when the G4 was the top dog in the Mac lineup and we kept waiting and waiting for IBM to come up with a new processor that Apple could use while Intel kept coming out with faster chips And when it happened it was the unlamented Power Mac G5, the worst Mac I ever owned. When rendering it sounded like a jet taking off. It finally went crazy and after three trips in for repair Apple finally gave up and replaced it with a Mac Pro.

Anyway, rant over.

When a new update/replacement comes out, if indeed it does, I hope they at least don't eliminate FireWire. I think most people who will replace their older MacPro have a substantial number of FireWire peripherals that they'd like to continue to use.
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This long delay in a meaningful MacPro update/replacement reminds of me of the bad old days when the G4 was the top dog in the Mac lineup and we kept waiting and waiting for IBM to come up with a new processor that Apple could use while Intel kept coming out with faster chips And when it happened it was the unlamented Power Mac G5, the worst Mac I ever owned. When rendering it sounded like a jet taking off. It finally went crazy and after three trips in for repair Apple finally gave up and replaced it with a Mac Pro.
Similar yes but this time Apple is a substantial partner in the failure to get a viable Mac Pro replacement on the market
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Anyway, rant over.

When a new update/replacement comes out, if indeed it does, I hope they at least don't eliminate FireWire. I think most people who will replace their older MacPro have a substantial number of FireWire peripherals that they'd like to continue to use.

I really don't understand this backwards thinking. That is like suggesting that Apple should put a SCSI port in the machine because people have old hardware they like to support. Sooner or latter technology has to advance. Besides external Firewire adapters do exist.
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 Besides external Firewire adapters do exist.

You might even be able to find them in PCI card form factor. That was my most common use of PCI cards, additional ports.

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Indeed wizard69, people can simply get a $29 adapter if needed
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His is right on the other member who posted his answer. Face Book and other moronic social sites and internet usage mainly the computer is good for. Not all but most.
 

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Indeed wizard69, people can simply get a $29 adapter if needed


I don't know if you've ever had to use one of those. They're not very good. Just look at the Apple Store. Adapters are generally some of the lowest rated items for a reason.

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That may be so but the local Apple store only has one iMac and a Mini on display, are you going to be happy if those are no longer available too? It just isn't good for a company like Apple to let a lineup like the desktops languish and age on the vine. 

 

If your solution is the answer, why hasn't Apple done it, Wizard? :P

 

The iMac is selling 1 million or near enough desktops.  'Glorious' enough for those users...  See Apple's 'glorious' marketing for details.  Plenty of small business have them.  (If they want something even cheaper, try the mini...)  It doesn't matter if you think it is a joke.  Your thinking is old.  And that you use Kodak as an example is a prime example of this.

 

Go past the Apple store again.  And see what they sell.  

 

Let me know if that changes in the next ten years.  (Let's try this scenario..., 'Apple launches Dave's mythical and somewhat (hey, it's Apple...) accessible tinker box for an affordable price with decent gpu...into a shrinking desktop market...yet they can't be arsed to make a new Mac Pro?'  Hhahahahaha...sorry.  Doesn't sound right, does it?)

 

You'll buy a £2k+ 'new' pro (if they ever make one...) or a Haswell Mini.  You'll like it.  Or lump it.  (You can have Apple's 'mid range' desktop/tower solutions, top end Mac Mini or an iMac...don't want it?)

 

....you can buy a laptop. :P

 

An AIO iPad/laptop user 'whining' about an X-Mac Apple have no intention of making.  ...and critical of the AIO iMac.  Ironic.  


Buy an iMac and you'll have an unholy trinity, Wizard.  

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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If your solution is the answer, why hasn't Apple done it, Wizard? :P
Who really knows? I'm on the east coast, I don't think I've ever run into an Apple employee other than store personnel. I can just as well ask why Apple hasn't put serious effort into the Mini or the Mac Pro. By the way a declining market isn't an excuse here. For one thing the market hasn't really declined for Apple.
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The iMac is selling 1 million or near enough desktops.
IMac sales have been flat for some time with the Mini and the Pro in decline. You should ask yourself why after taking a serious look at Apples line up. There is considerably more value for the consumer in their laptop line up and that has been the case for a long time now. Hell in most of Apples laptops with a hard disk bay it is easier to change that disk than it is in an iMac.
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 'Glorious' enough for those users...  See Apple's 'glorious' marketing for details.  Plenty of small business have them.  (If they want something even cheaper, try the mini...)  It doesn't matter if you think it is a joke.  
Here you go again trying to put words into my mouth. The Mini isn't a joke but it is very much less than ideal for my needs in its current form. If you can't understand that people have needs that the iMac doesn't address i would imagine we will never see eye to eye.
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Your thinking is old.  And that you use Kodak as an example is a prime example of this.
Not at all the concepts are the same.
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Go past the Apple store again.  And see what they sell.  
Lots of laptops.
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Let me know if that changes in the next ten years.  (Let's try this scenario..., 'Apple launches Dave's mythical and somewhat (hey, it's Apple...) accessible tinker box for an affordable price with decent gpu...into a shrinking desktop market...yet they can't be arsed to make a new Mac Pro?'  Hhahahahaha...sorry.  Doesn't sound right, does it?)
The new Mac Pro or a replacement device for the Mac Pro is coming.
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You'll buy a £2k+ 'new' pro (if they ever make one...) or a Haswell Mini.  You'll like it.  Or lump it.  (You can have Apple's 'mid range' desktop/tower solutions, top end Mac Mini or an iMac...don't want it?)
Here is the problem with the Mini, with a little bit of tweaking it could very well be passable as the type of computer I could make good use of. Will Apple do that little bit of tweaking, I certainly can't say but the Minis stagnate nature certainly isn't helping it in the marketplace.

Your mentality reminds me of Detroit of the seventies and eighties. The same basic crap year after year and keep ones head in the sand ignoring the innovation from all across the globe. All I'm really asking for is a little innovation on the desktop and a better value equation, after a decade it is about time
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....you can buy a laptop. :P
I might just do that again if they remain the only rational bit of value in Apples line up. In many ways I'm very happy with my old MBP as it has held up well but at this point isn't worth investing a lot of money.
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An AIO iPad/laptop user 'whining' about an X-Mac Apple have no intention of making.  ...and critical of the AIO iMac.  Ironic.  
Nothing ironic about it really. With the iPad I really have a better mobile solution for my needs than a laptop. It would make sense to pair it with a desktop. However that desktop really needs to be worth the money and it has to be suitable for other uses I wouldn't put a laptop to.
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Buy an iMac and you'll have an unholy trinity, Wizard.  
At this point I can't see my self buying an iMac any time soon. apple is simply going in the wrong direction with that platform. You may wish to champion the machine but I see it as the exact opposite of what I need.
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Just to let everyone on this thread know.

June 6-9th will be the days new banners get placed at the West Moscone Center in San Fran ready for the Apple WWDC 13 Event.

 

To see if any of our predictions came true let's just wait... I'm sure there will be iOS 7 and Mac OS X updates, possibly new macs with Wifi AC and haswell chips, a new G5 Cube or Mac Pro Tower, and maybe some new services like the supposedly coming iRadio... but this is all speculation from various sources around the web so nothing is solid intel.

 

Other than that I have one more thing to share... HAVE YOU GUYS USED MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS? Holy moly they're awesome!!! Apple should sell some because they're way better than any other keyboard I've ever used.

 

My baby. It's time you all stopped using your crappy rubber dome keyboards and move on to a real man's keyboard. Well actually this is the most basic one I could find for me that was simplistic. They work for like 10 years. Best purchase ever.

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Just to let everyone on this thread know.
June 6-9th will be the days new banners get placed at the West Moscone Center in San Fran ready for the Apple WWDC 13 Event.
Not far away at all!
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To see if any of our predictions came true let's just wait... I'm sure there will be iOS 7 and Mac OS X updates, possibly new macs with Wifi AC and haswell chips, a new G5 Cube
G5 Cube? Is that a sign of old age and the mind wandering?
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or Mac Pro Tower, and maybe some new services like the supposedly coming iRadio... but this is all speculation from various sources around the web so nothing is solid intel.
I suspect we will see much at WWDC this year including banking through Passbook. As far as new tech it could be one of the biggest WWDCs in a long time.
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Other than that I have one more thing to share... HAVE YOU GUYS USED MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS? Holy moly they're awesome!!! Apple should sell some because they're way better than any other keyboard I've ever used.
A good keyboard is a wonderful thing no matter the tech inside.
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My baby. It's time you all stopped using your crappy rubber dome keyboards and move on to a real man's keyboard. Well actually this is the most basic one I could find for me that was simplistic. They work for like 10 years. Best purchase ever.

Honest I'd rather see Apple spend money on voice input and a real system AI. Siri is nice and all but the trip to Apples servers really undermines the utility of the feature and of course Siri isn't on the Mac.
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Keyboard reviews in a Mac Pro thread. Okay

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Honest I'd rather see Apple spend money on voice input and a real system AI. Siri is nice and all but the trip to Apples servers really undermines the utility of the feature and of course Siri isn't on the Mac.

I've wondered about that too a while ago... now that Google has a voice search feature on Chrome I thought it would be cool to put her into Notification Center on Mac OS X then I remembered I don't really like talking to computers and would rather wait until a device can read my mind and input the query into google. That's where the future is...

 

I also think server computers running tons of GPU's and CPU's somewhere in a company server room streaming the feeds to our monitors like in Tron. All we would have to buy is a monitor and the company would do the rest through our internet connections.

 

But for being retro and not wanting having everything saved on the cloud we would be offered to save our stuff at a home Hard drive connected to their cloud.

The need for hardware will be less when internet speeds are faster is my assumption. but the AI would have to be built on a chip and the HD at home so it would be fast.

 

But so far no Linux system runs this way or any OS is built to run like this.

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I suspect we will see much at WWDC this year including banking through Passbook. As far as new tech it could be one of the biggest WWDCs in a long time.

Well it was sold out in minutes and tickets cost more than a grand so it better be worth it for those who bought them... of course they're developers and get a 4 day help pass so they absolutely will get their money's worth if their apps sell high though and if not they just lost 1 grand.

 

And yes. Everyone knows it's the 10th, so Media Coverage will be higher than usual Apple Keynotes because they want to see what iOS 7 will be like in the fall.

 

I also expect news on some new Mac or a new product line besides Apple TV this year but that could be released until Fall. There will be a newer version of the Airport with Wifi AC though sometime this year or the next.Something like this would be great.

Or this..

 

I'll be sitting in my desk watching it over their live stream on the Apple website if they have it and if not I'll just follow it in text by text on the verge with someone else's video stream simultaneously like I did last years. I can't wait to see what's new at Apple. To Me WWDC is like Christmas. I love it.


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Come on guys. Back in the old days, we would have started a specific WWDC thread a month ago.

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Maybe brand spanking new fire breathing Mac Pros in a redesigned chassis.

 

More compact & rack mountable for those who need it.

 

PCI-Express SSD for the boot drive!

 

Single & dual CPU models; both Xeon & 'regular' CPU choices on the single CPU models…

 

Integrated GPU standard, latest & greatest of both nVidia & ATI GPUs (w/SLI & CrossFire support) available as BTO; both high end consumer/gaming & high end workstation class of GPUs available.

 

Also, new 30" Retina (4k) Thunderbolt displays …!

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Maybe brand spanking new fire breathing Mac Pros in a redesigned chassis.

More compact & rack mountable for those who need it.

I don't see them ever doing that. Besides, they have no need for this themselves as they don't use Macs for their own server farms
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PCI-Express SSD for the boot drive!

Already available:


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Single & dual CPU models; both Xeon & 'regular' CPU choices on the single CPU models…

That is actually their current lineup.
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Integrated GPU standard, latest & greatest of both nVidia & ATI GPUs (w/SLI & CrossFire support) available as BTO; both high end consumer/gaming & high end workstation class of GPUs available.

Saywhat? iGPU? That's for consumer products.
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Also, new 30" Retina (4k) Thunderbolt displays …!

They EOL-ed the 30'' CD with 4 million pixels in 2010. I hope they'll find a way to improve on this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Maybe brand spanking new fire breathing Mac Pros in a redesigned chassis.
If there isn't a completely new Mac Pro Apple will have screwed up terribly.
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More compact & rack mountable for those who need it.
A convertible design is absolutely needed. I could see a half width rack unit as an ideal size for a "compute module".
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PCI-Express SSD for the boot drive!
In the Mac Pro they would need a "drive" bigger than just a boot drive. More importantly they need to set a new standard for such cards.
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Single & dual CPU models; both Xeon & 'regular' CPU choices on the single CPU models…
Yep.
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Integrated GPU standard, latest & greatest of both nVidia & ATI GPUs (w/SLI & CrossFire support) available as BTO; both high end consumer/gaming & high end workstation class of GPUs available.
To support TB rhe GPU will be on the motherboard if that is what you mean.
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Also, new 30" Retina (4k) Thunderbolt displays …!

I'm not sure TB could support such a display. I suppose they cold use both channels to send video data.
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To support TB rhe GPU will be on the motherboard if that is what you mean.

It might work either way. I suspect it's easier to integrate if the GPU is on the motherboard. That's less of a longer term design constraint, as thunderbolt seems like it was designed with highly integrated hardware in mind.

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It might work either way. I suspect it's easier to integrate if the GPU is on the motherboard. That's less of a longer term design constraint, as thunderbolt seems like it was designed with highly integrated hardware in mind.

Well in a very real sense high integrations is the way of the future and always has been with semiconductor technology. We are basically in the beginnings of the System on Chip era, a process shrink or two more and we will have very little on the mother board besides power supplies and RAM. With Haswell integrated Intel GPUs start to become good enough for a good portion of the user space. Even a half node shrink would improve that proportion even more.

Lets say though that they do, do a full node shrink for the next series of chips. Does Intel double the CPu and GPU complex, or do they modesty improve them and add yet more external logic? I'm expecting at least some products focused on much higher integration.
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In the Mac Pro they would need a "drive" bigger than just a boot drive. More importantly they need to set a new standard for such cards.
 

Mac Pros can have more than one drive. 

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Mac Pros can have more than one drive. 

I think you missed most of my points here. The idea is that Pros need large BOOT drives to accommodate their large installed base of apps. The SSDs that Apple currently use would be considered small for most pro usage. The second issue is that disk drive physical formats are legacy designs for rotating media. As such we really need a new industry standard slot for SSDs on plug in PCB. The current arrangement of PCI cards is less than ideal for internal only storage cards. Especially if you want a card format that works equally well in the new Mac Pro, the iMac and the Mini.
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I think you missed most of my points here. The idea is that Pros need large BOOT drives to accommodate their large installed base of apps. The SSDs that Apple currently use would be considered small for most pro usage. 


What about a Fusion Drive with a 256 SSD and a 4TB HDD?

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What about a Fusion Drive with a 256 SSD and a 4TB HDD?

Make it 512 GB minimum imho.
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Make it 512 GB minimum imho.

 

That's what the 4TB HDD is for! lol.gif

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That's what the 4TB HDD is for! lol.gif

Yeah but 256 standard is too low in my view. 2 years ago it was fine, now it's time to double that. By Skylake time, bring on 1 TB.
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…bring on 1 TB.


Hey, you can pay $3000 for your computer if you want, but… 

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WWDC soon.

 

I wonder if the Mac Pro will emerge from its 1000 day gestation?

 

Just merge the Mini and Pro lines and have one expandable compact box from under a k, to mid k to 2k.

 

Job done.

 

Then you'd have 2 desktop lines.  Two laptop lines.

 

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post
Just merge the Mini and Pro lines and have one expandable compact box from under a k, to mid k to 2k.

 

Then you'd have 2 desktop lines.

 

What, get rid of the Mac Mini? That'd go over well…

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It depends on the quality of the product.

 

Rather than two poorly selling desktops they can create a single product that is neither too 'hot' or too 'cold' and retain some of the key qualities of both.

 

I tend to think Wizard has his point that the Pro or Mini could serve their customers a little better without trauma.

 

Even if they don't...the pro and mini will become more appealing by virtue of a more compact Pro with updated ports, a better gpu, faster cpu, SSD...and a price chop...and a mini with gpu enchanced Haswell...  I guess the 'natural' evolution will have more 'spread' than currently.  Aka.  The pro, 'less so' and mini 'more so.'

 

We'll find out soon enough.

 

It will be interesting to see if the pro and mini just bring more of the 'same' or get a design overhaul like the iMac which produced a very sleek yet potent AIO.

 

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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post
Rather than two poorly selling desktops they can create a single product that is neither too 'hot' or too 'cold' and retain some of the key qualities of both.

 

Sounds more like too expensive for a starter, too barebones for a pro.

 

I still think Apple should engineer the Mini back down to $499 and drop an ad or two about it. Really pump through the marketshare.

 

Yeah, the desktop touch revolution is coming soon, but it's an older Mini that would be able to jump right into that.

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Sounds more like too expensive for a starter, too barebones for a pro.

 

I still think Apple should engineer the Mini back down to $499 and drop an ad or two about it. Really pump through the marketshare.

 

Yeah, the desktop touch revolution is coming soon, but it's an older Mini that would be able to jump right into that.

 

Sounds 'like' - I guess that would be up to Apple.  By time you add what you need to a 'mini' it's 'too expensive' for a starter in my view.  It has strayed from its path...in much the way the iMac has...to a degree.  Prices have become very inflated for the starter configurations on both machines.  (And the pro.)  

 

Wizard often says the desktop line is a bit of a mess.  I can see what he's getting at.

 

Apple.  They're the ones that can make an iPad for £399 (not the original £1k touted...).  Sure, the latter has volume.  But Apple has more volume than the average PC 'tower' maker...for desktops.

 

The mini 'looks' 'mobile' - I don't see them changing it.  I'd like them to offer a keyboard and a mouse with it (talk about nickle and diming it...) and lop the price to about £299 inc VAT.  Now we're talking.  If they can include a retina screen and the latest mobile hardware for a state of the art tablet for £399 I can't see how they couldn't do a £399 Mac with 21 inch screen, keyboard and mouse.  It's not like the mini has dedicated graphics...or the starter model has an i7 cpu in it.  

 

As for 'touch screen' desktop 'revolution'?  Isn't that what the iPad is?

 

It's everything the Mac Mini isn't.

 

ie Good value for money.

 

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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Or another idea...why not get 'retina' on a desktop moving...and use volume pricing on the iPad to add a '9.7' inch retina screen for the Mac Mini.  Then it would be a more complete 'mini Mac' system.

 

£399 Mac Mini with 9.7 inch retina and k/b and mouse.

 

But isn't that what the Macbook 'air' will be soon?  But they'll charge much more for it?

 

A 'Mac Mini' with screen (as you'd expect from a company whose primary models are AIO...)  Would it be touch?  *Shrugs.  Who knows when we'll see that for 'X' but isn't iOS 'X' with touch?

 

If that's what you're getting at?  

 

All I see is the Mini keeping it's luxurious bare bones (ha) price and a 'nice' gpu boost with Haswell.  I'm of the view Apple could do 'more' with it.  I don't think it's quite cheap enough to be the seller the thought it would be...or value enough.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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I still think Apple should engineer the Mini back down to $499 and drop an ad or two about it. Really pump through the marketshare.

I think the root problem with the Mini is the bundle cost. Anyone going into an Apple Store or their online store will see $499 but then add a display, keyboard and mouse and the total would come to over $1500 as opposed to an iMac that starts at $1299.

If they won't build cheaper displays, they need to start selling 3rd party displays like LG:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-1080p-Slim-Monitor-HDMI/dp/B00CM0QW2G

Even if they had a 1080p 23"/24" for $399 it would be a start. It could be HDMI only, no ports, no Thunderbolt, maybe no iSight. If they could get a bundle with a keyboard and mouse at $899-999, it would help a lot. They're going up against things like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaCentre-23-Inch-Desktop-Aluminum/dp/B00ASJHO5M

The Mini seems to be popular on Amazon - the cheapest one is the best-selling desktop (which suggests the unit itself is ok) but on Amazon, people can source cheaper displays and peripherals. They can't do that with any Apple retail setups.

Of course, if they had a 23/24" + Mini + kb/mouse at $899-999, it would make the 21.5" iMac look quite bad value for money and it reduces their average selling price.
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I second dropping the base Mac mini to $499 especially if by default it will remain with a 500 GB 5,400rpm HDD.
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What about a Fusion Drive with a 256 SSD and a 4TB HDD?

That would be nice but I'm not sure if the fusion tech works with partitions over 100 GB. Once you go beyond 256 GB though I think it makes more sense to go the traditional rout of a boot & apps drive balance with a large data drive.

Maybe when I get some free time I can look for developer information on fusion. Still if the drive is big enough personally I'd prefer having my own control over what goes on the SSD.
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That would be nice but I'm not sure if the fusion tech works with partitions over 100 GB.

 

… Huh? Fusion Drives start with 128 as the SSD…

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WWDC soon.
Feels a bit like Christmas.
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I wonder if the Mac Pro will emerge from its 1000 day gestation?
It better but then I don't see the chips for a traditional Mac Pro spin. I'm really hoping for something major and ground breaking though.
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Just merge the Mini and Pro lines and have one expandable compact box from under a k, to mid k to 2k.
Sounds easy doesn't it? I do think the days of the big tower are gone, the trick is finding the right balance of size and performance.

On the flips side they could turn the Mac Pro into a big box focused on computation. That is a high performance XEON machine coupled with a high performance co processor. The co processor being either Phi or an AMD chip. I just don't see a huge market for such a machine thus the post that suggest that such a machine should have two motherboards one aimed at very low costs and thus a low entry point.
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Job done.

Then you'd have 2 desktop lines.  Two laptop lines.

Lemon Bon Bon.

Well we all know something needs to be done. I'm just not sure which avenue is best. I'm a big fan of the XMac concept but the option of a low cost motherboard in the Mac Pro might be a more viable avenue. All I know for sure is that the current pricing structure isn't justified and needs to be adjusted to reflect reality.
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It depends on the quality of the product.
Even so there is a sub market that buys the Mini for its size and little else. I've seen Minis embedded in machine tools and instrumentation running Windows. Certainly that is a small part of the market but more general users like the Minis size too.

The other thing with the Mini is that new chip technology means the box performs very well now for a variety of uses.
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Rather than two poorly selling desktops they can create a single product that is neither too 'hot' or too 'cold' and retain some of the key qualities of both.

I tend to think Wizard has his point that the Pro or Mini could serve their customers a little better without trauma.
Yes I do believe this, it is simply a matter of getting the same engineering resources the laptops get. It is about time too as iPads are hitting laptops hard.
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Even if they don't...the pro and mini will become more appealing by virtue of a more compact Pro with updated ports, a better gpu, faster cpu, SSD...and a price chop...and a mini with gpu enchanced Haswell...  I guess the 'natural' evolution will have more 'spread' than currently.  Aka.  The pro, 'less so' and mini 'more so.'

We'll find out soon enough.

It will be interesting to see if the pro and mini just bring more of the 'same' or get a design overhaul like the iMac which produced a very sleek yet potent AIO.

Lemon Bon Bon.
If the Pro is more of the same I won't know what to think. It is the wrong thing to do when the market is in a major transition in my opinion.
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