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Apple's iPhone may have revolutionized the smartphone, but the iPhone maker has now fallen behind its competitors in some respects, says Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak.

Wozniak spoke with German publication Wirtschafts Woche in an interview ranging from the early days of Apple to why its co-founder still waits in line in order to buy new iDevices. He said that the company he started with the late Steve Jobs is facing stiffer competition, particularly from chief rival Samsung.

"Currently we are in my opinion... somewhat behind," Wozniak said about Apple with regard to features. "Others have caught up. Samsung is a great competitor. But precisely because they are currently making great products."

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Apple and Samsung currently take the lion's share of profits in the mobile phone market, with nearly all major competitors' mobile segments reporting losses. The two firms take widely divergent approaches to the market: Samsung releases a wide range of devices across many price points, while Apple relies on its one iteratively improved iPhone.

Wozniak has never been shy when speaking out about what disappoints him in the company he helped found or what he likes from its competitors. Last year, after Microsoft unveiled its Surface tablet, Wozniak quipped in an interview that the visual aesthetic of the device made him think "Steve Jobs came back reincarnated" at Microsoft.

In September, as the fiasco over Apple's Maps app continued, Wozniak expressed his disappointment in the Maps app, though he did question how severe the issues with the program were.

Despite his belief that Apple lags its competition in some features, Wozniak was confident of the company's ability to remain profitable and stay on a winning streak. The firm's philosophy from the start, he said, was to establish a good profit margin.

"Apple was profitable from the start. [Original angel investor] Mike Markkula always preached that one must have a good profit margin."

He also credited Apple's enduring fan base as a reason for its high profit margins, crediting the company for maintaining that loyalty by continually releasing products to ensure that loyalty is "kept alive and confirmed."

Wozniak himself participates in that fan community, often waiting in line at Apple retail locations with other faithful in order to buy the newest iPhone or iPad. Asked why he does it, he explained:

"The launch of a new Apple product is for me like a big, major concert in which you absolutely must attend personally. It's history. Sure, I could order online or call the store manager... But that would be nothing. No, I will have the experience like any normal customer. But one thing is certain. If Apple would make lousy products, I would not be in line."
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Why is he always barking ? If he is great enough , he would have been the second Steve jobs .
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Behind in "some features"? It would be helpful to say which features. Without specifics it just sounds like empty complaints.

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Can someone explain, exactly, how iOS is behind Android?

Or is it "sales?" If Apple gave away phones, they'd have a perfect market share too. Otherwise, I just don't see it. Am I missing something?
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I just don't understand why thinks his opinion matters? He's been out of the company for YEARS. Let it go! haha
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The next time we want your opinion Mr. Wozniak, we'll give it to you.
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Behind in "some features"? It would be helpful to say which features. Without specifics it just sounds like empty complaints.

Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

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Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

 

Please. Widgets? NFC? USB?

 

How about malware, Flaky scrolling(still!),  Poor updates, Ability to get first class apps first, Phone-stretched out apps on tablets, Poorer resale value, etc

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If you're not familiar with some of the more recent Android features and how they compare to iOS6 PocketNow posted a video comparison. It's not the most recent version of Android (one behind I believe) but still good for taking a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwwJ8kgmcdc&feature=watch-vrec

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Please. Widgets? NFC? USB?

 

How about malware, Flaky scrolling(still!),  Poor updates, Ability to get first class apps first, Phone-stretched out apps on tablets, Poorer resale value, etc

Once iOS has widgets and NFC I think you'll agree with me.

Malware is a non-issue.

Scrolling and general smoothness is still better on iOS, but that's not what I would call a feature.

Get a Nexus, get updates.

Tablet apps are still lacking on Android.

I've never resold a phone.

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Can someone explain, exactly, how iOS is behind Android?

Or is it "sales?" If Apple gave away phones, they'd have a perfect market share too. Otherwise, I just don't see it. Am I missing something?

 

 

Android had better cloud syncing,

Android has better notifications 

Android has better maps

Android has a feature that allows you to see what apps are using your data and how much they are using

Android has more locking options, none, pattern, slide, pin, and password 

Android has customization widgets  

 

While I understand not all of these features don't appeal to you but for most of the population they do.

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I'm over these inept comments from Woz. What has he done in the past 20 years? He's never designed a phone. He's never designed a GUI. He's just another consumer. Who cares?
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I would imagine he is talking about hardware, and Apple has pretty much always lagged in HW adoption.
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Woz - you are a brilliant programmer, but you know nothing - Apple doesn't build products for the elite IT guys and that's why you needed Steve. Apple builds products for the rest of us - that's where the money is...
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Why is he always barking ? If he is great enough , he would have been the second Steve jobs .

 

Your user name is quite appropriate.

 

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Originally Posted by JollyPaul View Post

Behind in "some features"? It would be helpful to say which features. Without specifics it just sounds like empty complaints.

 

Two reasons: One, most people already know what features are missing and two, knowing he's likely to be he doesn't want to sound as if he's piling on. The man still loves Apple but it's a rational love unlike some around here.

 

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Can someone explain, exactly, how iOS is behind Android?

Or is it "sales?" If Apple gave away phones, they'd have a perfect market share too. Otherwise, I just don't see it. Am I missing something?

 

He didn't specify iOS. I think most would agree that iOS is still far ahead of Android but not so much in the hardware realm.

 

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I just don't understand why thinks his opinion matters? He's been out of the company for YEARS. Let it go! haha

 

Oh, gee...maybe because he's the co-founder of Apple?  I'd say his opinion matters much more than yours or mine.

 

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The next time we want your opinion Mr. Wozniak, we'll give it to you.

 

I want his opinion and so do most rational Apple lovers. Besides, his statement is very valid and he's not the only one to say it. Look at the latest Galaxy's...I find myself wanting to pick them up and look at their screens.  That didn't start happening until the past year or so.  They've caught up in some respects.  My hope is that Apple is not filled with employees who frequent this forum because the majority here seem to be unable to admit any deficiency on Apple's part or admit any successes from the competition. Hopefully, Apple is filled with employees who want to tackle the challenge of making the next iPhone far surpass anything Samsung has put out.

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Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

If you want all that on iOS can't you simply buy a phone that runs on Android?
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Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

 

Your opinion on "behind" seems to boil down to Android does some things differently or includes features of questionable value (NFC). I assume from your opinion you prefer the Android way. It's like saying the iPhone is "behind" because it does not have a 5" screen. If you do want a 5" screen, then Apple is certainly "behind" in that sense.

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Why is he always barking ? If he is great enough , he would have been the second Steve jobs .

Seriously?  What the **** is wrong with people nowadays?  The *FOUNDER* of Apple cannot have a different opinion from you?  Or say anything that is even slightly critical?

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"Don't listen to Woz, he's crazy." (Fast forward to 2:01 in the video below.)

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Android had better cloud syncing,

Android has better notifications 

Android has better maps

Android has a feature that allows you to see what apps are using your data and how much they are using

Android has more locking options, none, pattern, slide, pin, and password 

Android has customization widgets  

 

While I understand not all of these features don't appeal to you but for most of the population they do.

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Seriously?  What the **** is wrong with people nowadays?  The *FOUNDER* of Apple cannot have a different opinion from you?  Or say anything that is even slightly critical?

 

Thank you!  I couldn't agree more. It's lunacy.  I compare it to people's views on Lindsay Lohan.  The president of her fanclub probably says, " There is nothing wrong with her, she's the greatest actress ever and everyone that says otherwise is just a hater or troll!"  A family member that loves her says, "She has some issues she's working through but she is a great person and great actress and we're here to support her."  An ex-lover says, "She's the worst person in the world and has no redeemable values."  Well, this forum has become an Apple fanclub with a lot of presidents that don't tolerate dissention.  Myself, I'm an Apple lover, which means I admit faults because I hope they will address them so they can continue to be great, but I don't dwell on them either. 1smile.gif

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I think that there are personal motives behind his many comments these past years regarding Apple, whenever he opens his mouth and gives an opinion about something Apple related.

 

Even though he may still get his little check from Apple, he has nothing to do with the company or it's products I believe.

 

And the Microsoft Surface made him think that "Steve Jobs came back reincarnated" at Microsoft? Wozniak may have done some cool stuff many, many decades ago, but I can't take anybody seriously who would say that about Steve Jobs and Microsoft. 

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Android had better cloud syncing,

Android has better notifications 

Android has better maps

Android has a feature that allows you to see what apps are using your data and how much they are using

Android has more locking options, none, pattern, slide, pin, and password 

Android has customization widgets  

 

While I understand not all of these features don't appeal to you but for most of the population they do.

In another thread, people were arguing that iPads are replacing laptops from which one might draw the conclusion that the general population is not made up of power users who need to customize and tweak every possible setting. Their needs are simple and iOS strives to hide the complexity of the OS and present a unified easy to use interface for the average user without the endless options that only serve to make the device less user friendly. Android is useful for people who do want to customize everything imaginable but that is certainly not "most of the population". The average smartphone user for both platforms is likely to just use the device with the default settings.

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Your opinion on "behind" seems to boil down to Android does some things differently or includes features of questionable value (NFC). I assume from your opinion you prefer the Android way. It's like saying the iPhone is "behind" because it does not have a 5" screen. If you do want a 5" screen, then Apple is certainly "behind" in that sense.

 

I do prefer the Android way because it lets me do more.  While you can pick and choose from my list what has value for you, I think some of the things I listed are legitimate problems holding back iOS.  For example, being able to choose a default app for launching web links or map links would be something most users would appreciate.  Similarly the way sharing works on iOS is a hassle.  Why can I only share to the handful of applications that Apple has baked into the OS?  Why can't I share something from my gallery directly to Instagram?

 

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If you want all that on iOS can't you simply buy a phone that runs on Android?

 

I already do own a phone that runs Android, but I'd rather buy an Apple phone so I want Apple to match some basic usability features.

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Apple makes great phones, I love my iPhone 4s. That being said, I have a nexus 7 and I absolutely love it. Malware is a lot smaller deal than people make it out to me. I have downloaded many apps not from the google play store and have periodically downloaded a free AV program for the tablet and it always comes up clean. I love swype or slide typing. I love the ability to make the launcher look different. Fact is, they both make great phones. But right now I say I like my droid better. I am not a fanboy of either. This is my opinion and my opinion doesnt mean dirt, but i'm still giving it.
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Most posters here are missing the forest for the trees. Any, and I mean Any, smartphone has features that surpass the iPhone. Why get so bent out of shape whenever anyone suggests that? Who cares? It's kind of like an Oakland Raiders fan saying to Baltimore "we've got a better punter!" Just give the losers their due. They need it. We Apple users can bask in the knowledge that we are living the high life. We enjoy the world's best complete package. And all the others can do is bark about a few individual features that amount to very little compared to the larger overall experience Apple provides. So the next time they want to feel important, just smile and say "yes, you've got great notifications on that phone. Good for you, man." 

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Here's something that pisses me a little about iPhones.  Only apps that apple allows can use the share link from Safari.  That is stupid.  If I want to share link via Google Plus app, I have to cut and paste it.

 

That is just being mean and spiteful.  They should have a setting in Privacy like they do for contacts and so on, and you can enable and disable sharing via that.

 

Also like the multiple, user selectable, keyboards.

 

However, I will note that I just got a Nexus 4 for testing, and privacy settings and security on it is pathetic.  To enable full device encryption takes about 30-45 minutes, where you can't use it - all it is doing is encryption.  After that, anytime you reboot, you have to enter your password *TWICE* to get to the screen.

 

And you know how Facebook.app asks for permission to get your contacts, location and all that shit, and you can enable and disable as you like?

On Android, you can't.  All you can do is accept what Facebook wants to **** with, or not use the facebook app.

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I find people complaining about his words ridiculous, to be honest.

He says the iPhone has some features missing compared to Android. He's right.
He also says he's waiting in line for Apple products because Apple product launches are history.

Blame Ai for titling the article "Apple somewhat behind" and not "Apple events are history". Not The Woz.

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Woz - you are a brilliant programmer, but you know nothing - Apple doesn't build products for the elite IT guys and that's why you needed Steve. Apple builds products for the rest of us - that's where the money is...

That's probably what he says, you know? Don't blaming for saying what you say :D

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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

 

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I've owned almost every iPhone until the 4S and recently decided to give the Nexus 4 a try. Granted it's only been a week or so, but I love the Nexus. Pure, unmuddled Andriod is great (though I really miss iMessage). I think you can make an argument either way though. Both iOS and Andriod have their advantages and disadvantages same goes for hardware. I still love Apple's products, and I know they like to perfect everything, but I think it may take a pretty significant change in hardware and software on their part to keep up otherwise they may find themselves falling behind in the market they created. 

 

I have to agree with some of the posters here that it's great to admire the company and products they make, but don't blindly follow because "they know what is best"

 

But this is all just my shitty opinion so who cares, right?

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Originally Posted by br3h View Post
I still love Apple's products… …but…

 

No, you don't. And if you do, it doesn't matter. Your argument matters.

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There's plenty of room for iOS/iPhone improvement, but I'm not sure that includes NFC. Adoption rate in the USA is negligible — yes, I know there are other countries, and yes, there's a chicken/egg issue — and security remains a significant concern. Where's the market demand for NFC?

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Actionable notifications, quick toggles for settings, choice of default app for a given action, widgets, NFC, sharing from one app to any other app that can share, drag and drop files over USB, etc.

 

 

I agree some of these features would be nice and I suspect Apple will bring some of these to the table with the next update. I, however,  don't agree with Apple being behind with NFC. Currently, I can already go into places like Starbucks and they can scan my phone. That seems like a better way to go considering the security concerns associated with NFC and the lack of standardization. Drag and drop would be nice, but it is also a design choice to not allow that. If you allow people to drag and drop files, you also open up the ecosystem to a lot of possible viruses and malware. 

 

Apple hasn't rushed to adopt technologies its sees trouble with. For example Blue Ray disks were problematic from a licensing perspective and the DMR has to be system wide even when the Blue Ray player isn't on, which causes performance problems. Apple was also patient and waited for an LTE product to be released that only used one chip, where prior LTE products used by its competitors used two. Waiting allowed Apple to bring to market a more power efficient product. 

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"Don't listen to Woz, he's crazy." (Fast forward to 2:01 in the video below.)


video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTTSsB92L_s&feature=share&list=PLqssva4liHRzEqc0f333Q0qe56vRkxuT0

Your video doesn't work. To embed a video using Huddler (this forum SW) you have to only include the v= info and optionally the t= info if you want it to start a a certain time. You have to remove the feature= and list= data, as well as adjoining ampersands.

Here is the link as it should be for your time stamp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTTSsB92L_s&t=2m0s


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If you're not familiar with some of the more recent Android features and how they compare to iOS6 PocketNow posted a video comparison. It's not the most recent version of Android (one behind I believe) but still good for taking a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwwJ8kgmcdc&feature=watch-vrec

I started watching that but after the very first way Android is better than iOS is because it has a half dozen different ways to unlock the device I stopped. Having more options does not a better product make. I see that has the Homer car and not how technology should work.
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But this is all just my shitty opinion so who cares, right?

 

You have a one post history, so right. 

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Actionable notifications - Good
Quick toggles for settings - Really Good
Choice of default app for a given action - Cool
Widgets - Memory Hogs
NFC - We're not there yet
Sharing from one app to any other app that can share - Some apps do that
Drag and drop files over USB - USB? Give me a break
Android had better cloud syncing - True
Android has better notifications - True
Android has better maps - ...out the box. True
Android has a feature that allows you to see what apps are using your data and how much they are using - For the 0.0001% number of users who are going to use that
Android has more locking options, none, pattern, slide, pin, and password - Too complicated
Android has customization widgets - Memory Hogs

The problems for Android are:

- iOS is 1000% more stable
- iOS is a more efficient using memory
- Very little fragmentation (almost none)
- iOS Devices come with a lot of integrated memory. (32/64GB iPhones/iPads/Touch, and can you say 128GB iPad? Very soon 128GB iPhone and Touch. No rivals there.)
- iOS devices are really well done. Superb quality and components.
- iOS almost never crash
- Apple have a very solid and attractive ecosystem Mac/iPhone/iPad
- Apple are truly doing a serious R&D for their best products. Others are just following.
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Android had better cloud syncing,

Android has better notifications 

Android has better maps

Android has a feature that allows you to see what apps are using your data and how much they are using

Android has more locking options, none, pattern, slide, pin, and password 

Android has customization widgets  

 

While I understand not all of these features don't appeal to you but for most of the population they do.

 

But how does all this synergize into a superior user experience?

 

(hint: ask Apple.)

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Woz belongs in the engineering dept. Not in Creative consultation. 

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