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Everyone (longhand for "us") thinks it's the iPhone 5S this year. If they released the iPhone 6, that would trip "us" up.

Yes that would trip us up, but I'm referring to who got tripped up with the iPhone 5 naming which was you, but I will say that I always agreed with your reasons of why it shouldn't have.
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Unless it's this year and they want to trip us up with naming conventions all over again.

 

Maybe they'll just go with: "The new iPhone" 1wink.gif

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Time for Apple to dazzle by giving the customers..... choice.

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Unless it's this year and they want to trip us up with naming conventions all over again.

 

I assume the same 5" prototype is the source of the "iPhone Plus" rumor from earlier. Any claims about what it will be called are probably speculative. You know how these rumors get passed around and embellished.

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Yes, Apple has too many product lines and varieties now.  Macbook with and without the  retina display.  iDevices a generation or two are selling at the same time.  They need to clean this up and avoid confusion for the consumer.

 

They need an iPhone 5S and an iPhone 5 Pro...

 

The Pro model would have a 5" screen and be mostly used like an iPad mini.  It will come with the best bluetooth headset ever, so you don't have to put the iPhone Pro up to your face when making calls.  You can also access Siri there.  Or, they could include an iWatch or something wearable.

 

The headset could be charged wirelessly and alert you when you "forget" the iPhone Pro--going outside its sync distance.

 

Something wearable, natural, easy, and forward-looking.

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Originally Posted by MJ1970 View Post
Maybe they'll just go with: "The new iPhone" 1wink.gif

 

I guess they don't ever have to use names that make sense. The 2014 models of cars should start being released in April 2013… 

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1920x1280 1080P resolution would be perfect. It would be a resolution that could stick around for a long while as well. Apple sort of boxed themselves into a corner with the original retina. For the current iPhone maybe switch to 720P with a 1280x720 screen and just widen it a bit.

That resolution would let them pixel-double iPhone 4 apps and maintain their Retina branding. The Sony XPeria Z has a 5" 1080p screen:



Their ad is a bit weird as usual:



That thing looks absolutely huge when you see the women in the ad carrying it. They also don't show people making a phone call with it stuck to the side of their face, most of the scenarios are recording or watching video. I don't watch video clips when I walk down a street. I admit, it might be nice for filming a herd of stray horses galloping on the beach or while hill-climbing dressed in evening wear but how often does that happen? Smaller phones are also easier to grip while filming.

Apple is a very image conscious company. Do they want their customers making calls while holding up a giant device to their head? I doubt it.



It might make sense as an iPod Touch device, which isn't for calling with and that could be quite good for students but the iPod Touch market is dying out in favour of phones anyway.
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The whole naming thing reminds me of whichever future show had that "Rocky XXV" movie sequel poster with an ancient Stallone in it.

 

I mean, 25 years from now, will Apple be selling the new "iPhone 20S" ?

 

When does it stop?  Will it ever make more sense to come up with a name like iPhone "Snow Leopard"?  

 

Or are numbers just so much easier to keep track of?  If so, why not just plop the year on the end.  "iPhone 2013"

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That resolution would let them pixel-double iPhone 4 apps and maintain their Retina branding.

1) To avoid confusion that would be double the resolution but quadrupling the pixels.

2) I see the point with 1920x1280 as it does the same thing as the 3GS did going from 480x320 to 960x640 for the iPhone 4, but that is the 3:2 aspect ratio. Don't you think Apple might want to slowly pull away from that to assist developers.

3) What size would you imagine for this? At 4.5" you have a 513 PPI display. I think by that point vendors offering greater than 300 PPI are just playing the one-up game on one spec sheet feature, not trying to make a better device.
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I can read and my statement holds true. I don't want to see Apple make a larger iPhone than the one that's currently on the market. They already have their two models - the 5 & the 4/4s.


So, if they made one the same size, and a larger one for people like me, why would you care? Why do you hope they don't make a larger one, if you can still get the small one? This is just idiotic... It's like saying I wish Panasonic only made the 42" size TV I buy. As long as I can buy a 42", why would I care if they make a 47", a 50", or a 55"? This is about as dumb a statement anyone could make! So, you think they should make the one size and leave everyone else out that wants a larger one? Dumb, dumb, dumb...

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So, if they made one the same size, and a larger one for people like me, why would you care? Why do you hope they don't make a larger one, if you can still get the small one? This is just idiotic... It's like saying I wish Panasonic only made the 42" size TV I buy. As long as I can buy a 42", why would I care if they make a 47", a 50", or a 55"? This is about as dumb a statement anyone could make! So, you think they should make the one size and leave everyone else out that wants a larger one? Dumb, dumb, dumb...

There is a difference between a TV of different sizes and a different size, resolution and aspect ratio phone that is tied to an app ecosystem on a window-less OS. Creating a 5" device with a Panavision aspect ratio and 600 PPI would split development efforts which could hurt the OS and app quality and quantity moving forward. This is why Apple has been so very careful in their iOS display size, resolution and aspect ratio stepping. You simply don't get these issues with broadcast TV.
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Yes, Apple has too many product lines and varieties now.  Macbook with and without the  retina display.  iDevices a generation or two are selling at the same time.  They need to clean this up and avoid confusion for the consumer.

They need an iPhone 5S and an iPhone 5 Pro...

The Pro model would have a 5" screen and be mostly used like an iPad mini.  It will come with the best bluetooth headset ever, so you don't have to put the iPhone Pro up to your face when making calls.  You can also access Siri there.  Or, they could include an iWatch or something wearable.

The headset could be charged wirelessly and alert you when you "forget" the iPhone Pro--going outside its sync distance.

Something wearable, natural, easy, and forward-looking.

That's a really good idea.

If they marketed it with a high end headset that would alleviate concerns that its too awkward to hold up to your face and things like that.

It's interesting because Apple has those wireless charging patents where a MacBook device could theoretically charge a wireless mouse without cords or plugs.

Could a larger iPhone charge a Bluetooth headset the same way? That'd be pretty cool technology.
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We both opened our favorite game which is called Modern War and the difference was really striking.

Striking as in the frame rate on the 1080p display with a weaker GPU was making for a less entrenched game play experience?

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I see the point with 1920x1280 as it does the same thing as the 3GS did going from 480x320 to 960x640 for the iPhone 4, but that is the 3:2 aspect ratio. Don't you think Apple might want to slowly pull away from that to assist developers.

Yes, it would make sense for them to go with 2272 x 1280 on a much larger phone but either one works - 16:9 doesn't look good on large devices.
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What size would you imagine for this? At 4.5" you have a 513 PPI display. I think vendors offering greater than 300 PPI are just playing the one-up game on one spec sheet feature, not trying to make a better device.

I can't really imagine them going beyond a size that maintains the 300+ PPI at the same resolution. There's a calculator here:

http://thirdculture.com/joel/shumi/computer/hardware/ppicalc.html

That puts the limit for 1136 x 640 at 4.3" to stay above 300PPI. This would be around the size of the Galaxy S2:



The Acer Liquid C1 is 16:9 4.3":



I really can't see them going beyond that and I would doubt they'd sell two models. Having to retool everything and have a completely separate process and then to have to commit to that for every future model is too much. If they were going to do that, they'd be as well just scaling the iPhone 5 up to 4.3". The Backberry Z10 is 4.2" and it looks quite good. The bezel makes it look like a bigger change than it is.



It has a higher resolution at ~720p but they'd get away with the current resolution. You can see there's not much point having the two models at that size because the difference is so small. They'd have to be careful it didn't conflict with their thumb-size marketing and I think it would.
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I couldn't care less what someone else thinks about the size of my phone and I imagine most people think the same

You can imagine "most people" agree with anything though. I could say that I imagine "most people" think a giant phone is crazy, which actually holds up from the sales figures as most people are actually buying smaller phones. The point was more about what Apple wants to sell though.

It can't just be what people want but also what makes sense for Apple to make. You can't expect to go into a supermarket and ask them to make a slightly larger can of beans because the size they make doesn't cover 4 pieces of toast and then say it's a big problem because "most people" eat beans on toast 4 pieces at a time.

There are a lot of economics to think about - how much does the larger display cost, how much heavier will it weigh with a bigger battery, how will the larger display affect battery life. They have to work all the costs and sizes out to make sure it's going to be worthwhile.
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I really hope Apple decides to make a larger display and I hope it is around 4.8" give or take +/-.3. They may well decide to not make one this year but if they do a lot of current iPhone customers like me will have little choice but to move to Android since this is our #1 priority. A big an easy to read display for poor eyes trumps iOS.

I agree that many things are better to do on a big screen but that's why I use my iPad for reading web pages. If I had a 5.5" phone, I'd still use my iPad. With a higher resolution, the text isn't any bigger and with scaling, it's just 10% bigger or so. Apple would be better off having a UI scaling feature for better readability like they do on the Retina Macs. Pinch zoom for the web works fine but sometimes it would be good to have it rewrap to a fixed width.
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3) What size would you imagine for this? At 4.5" you have a 513 PPI display. I think point I think vendors offering greater than 300 PPI are just playing the one-up game on one spec sheet feature, not trying to make a better device.

Nothing like blowing battery life out the door for specs that benefit the user negligibly, or even negatively.
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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post
I mean, 25 years from now, will Apple be selling the new "iPhone 20S" ?

 

Nope, it'll be the iPhone 17.

 

Unless you're counting the iPhone 5S before the "from now", then it's iPhone 17S.

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The whole naming thing reminds me of whichever future show had that "Rocky XXV" movie sequel poster with an ancient Stallone in it.

 

I mean, 25 years from now, will Apple be selling the new "iPhone 20S" ?

 

When does it stop?  Will it ever make more sense to come up with a name like iPhone "Snow Leopard"?  

 

Or are numbers just so much easier to keep track of?  If so, why not just plop the year on the end.  "iPhone 2013"

 

Or not.

 

2001 - "iMac"

2013 - "iMac"

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My friend recently bought the new HTC phone with the 1080P resolution. The display is absolutely gorgeous. It is also very thin and light. We both opened our favorite game which is called Modern War and the difference was really striking. Also viewing the internet was just so much easier to read on his phone. 

 

 

Put a ring on it.

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Or not.

 

2001 - "iMac"

2013 - "iMac"

 

Of course, that won't work for the iPhone, as Apple continues to sell two older models.

 

So there has to be some way to differentiate them by name.

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Of course, that won't work for the iPhone, as Apple continues to sell two older models.


So there has to be some way to differentiate them by name.

Early, Mid, Late 20xx gets that job done. And have done so for many products, many years.

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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post
Of course, that won't work for the iPhone, as Apple continues to sell two older models.

 

Of course it will. Abject nonsense to think otherwise. 


So there has to be some way to differentiate them by name.

 

One's faster. The other's slower. No name difference needed. Pretty simple.

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Apple don't need a 5 inch phone. As someone has said, give the phone capacity to the iPad mini and Apple will be future proof. After all Android manufacturers and in particularly shamesung is going to increase the screen size of their phones this year anyway. 

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There is a different between a TV of different sizes and a different size, resolution and aspect ratio phone that is tied to an app ecosystem on a window-less OS. Creating a 5" device with a Panavision aspect ratio and 600 PPI would split development efforts which could hurt the OS and app quality and quantity moving forward. This is why Apple has been so very careful in their iOS display size, resolution and aspect ratio stepping. You simply don't get these issues with broadcast TV.

Except that the rumor is the same resolution, only bigger, as the iPhone 5, which makes your argument null and void. At least read the article before you spew nonsense, ok?
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Except that the rumor is the same resolution, only bigger, as the iPhone 5, which makes your argument null and void. At least read the article before you spew nonsense, ok?

Apparently I was asking too much for you to make a reasonable and intelligent reply.

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Why is Apple following the trends, when it use to be the trend to follow?
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Why is Apple following the trends, when it use to be the trend to follow?

You mean how Apple invented the smartphone? You mean how Apple invented the PMP? You mean how Apple invented digital music? Apple doesn't much of a history of being the first to enter a market or market segment but they do have a long history of is entering a market or market segment once they have worked out all the parts to make it widely successful for them. Not too soon or too late, and rarely even in some half-assed way that has to be reinvented every 6 months because the throwing-shit-on-the-way-to-see-what-sticks model didn't stick well enough.

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Of course it will. Abject nonsense to think otherwise. 

 

One's faster. The other's slower. No name difference needed. Pretty simple.

 

I'm willing to hear how you think it would work if all iPhones were just called "iPhone" with no other designation.

 

For example, let's say someone was looking for a used iPhone, but all six year's worth of models had the same name.  How would they know which one they were buying?

 

 

Even with the same-named iMacs, people have to check specs to see what CPU, memory, hard drive, etc it is.. and even check model numbers to be sure.   I don't think people would be willing to do that to see which model iPhone something was...  even if they knew the differences.

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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post
I'm willing to hear how you think it would work if all iPhones were just called "iPhone" with no other designation.

 

The exact same way the iPod touch has always been sold. Big freaking deal.


For example, let's say someone was looking for a used iPhone, but all six year's worth of models had the same name.  How would they know which one they were buying?

 

Looking at the specs. Just like they do with any other product anywhere else.


Even with the same-named iMacs, people have to check specs to see what CPU, memory, hard drive, etc it is.. and even check model numbers to be sure.   I don't think people would be willing to do that to see which model iPhone something was...  even if they knew the differences.

 

Funny, they're willing to do it everywhere else. What magical properties does the iPhone have that make it stupid to hold it to the same standard?

 

Are you honestly pretending to believe that people DON'T look at the specs of the iPhone they want and just say, "Oh, these numbers are different. I want the middle number!"?!

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Only the powers to be know the answer.  Will they attempt to please the flock or will they hold their staff firm and bold.  Only a few months to the answer.

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Maybe they'll just go with: "The new iPhone" 1wink.gif


How well did that scheme work out for the iPad? ;)

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Or not.

 

2001 - "iMac"

2013 - "iMac"


That works because Apple doesn't sell past models concurrently. They tried calling iPad3 the new iPad in early 2012 and, by September, they went back to the numbering scheme.

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Why is Apple following the trends, when it use to be the trend to follow?


This is semantics. If Apple releases a yet larger phone, it would be no more following a trend than it did when the first iPhone was launched. I might be exaggerating a bit here. But, the fact is - smartphones existed already in 2007. But Apple reinvented it. Arguably, Apple has never been the true trailblazer. But their history is not about creating new categories or trends but rather about entering a fledgling one to not only become more successful at it than anyone else but to reinvent it and popularize it.

 

Look at iPad Mini. Simple minds would say that they followed a trend. That is technically correct. But how many 7-8" tablets sold in the same volume as the iPad before iPad MIni was launched? How many allowed you to run apps with equally seamless and identical experience on either tablet size? How many were manufactured to the level and engineered to feel so svelte in our hold? There was no trend of such a high end small tablet before the Mini. So, once again, Apple reinvented a category (or rather a sub-category). Admittedly, this is a minor reinvention compared to the original iPad. But it is wrong to say that if Apple doesn't launch something completely revolutionary every 6 months, they have become a follower.

 

If Apple chooses to launch a larger phone (still questionable), here is how it will look:

 

It will use the same LCD panel as iPad (i.e. 264 ppi) and same screen resolution as iPhone 5 (i.e. 1136 x 640). Do the math and it works out to be a 4.94" display. Such an iPhone will (again) run apps identically as on iPhone 5 (and its successors). It will also take advantage of the display panels already used in the iPad (hence cost efficiency). In a future iteration, its pixel density may double. Although 528 ppi seems ridiculous now, it will give Apple a 1080p iPhone without going to 732 ppi. But I am willing to bet there will be another angle that will set it apart from iPhone 5 (and 5S, etc.). It might be even thinner, or it might feature a super longlasting battery. It will for sure feature superb engineering. It might sport OLED (questionable since that would mean not reusing the iPad LCD). Time will tell. Bottom line, by the time we hold it in our hands, only typical Apple critics would say it is a me-too large phone.

 

The thing is - it's silly to talk about who follows whom. Just judge a product on its merits.


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The exact same way the iPod touch has always been sold. Big freaking deal.

 

Unlike the iPhone, Apply only sells one generation of new iPod touch at a time.

 

Even Apple sells older iPod touch by which generation number it is, not by specs.   From the Apple online store:

 

 

 

Funny, they're willing to do it everywhere else. What magical properties does the iPhone have that make it stupid to hold it to the same standard?

 

On the contrary, Apple hasn't shown any willingness to strip the iPhone name of model numbers.  You're arguing against Apple, not me. I like your idea. I just don't see how it could work right now.

 

When someone's mother asks us which of the three current iPhones to order from AT&T, to get the original screen size and Siri, do we reply succinctly with "Aha, you mean the iPhone 4S"... or do we respond with, "Read the online sales specs carefully and figure it out yourself!"


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That works because Apple doesn't sell past models concurrently. They tried calling iPad3 the new iPad in early 2012 and, by September, they went back to the numbering scheme.

They did? I thought it was just "iPad with retina display." The only people I've ever heard refer to an iPad 4 are idiotic reporters on CNN and the like.
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They did? I thought it was just "iPad with retina display." The only people I've ever heard refer to an iPad 4 are idiotic reporters on CNN and the like.

 

Apple uses both names ("mini", "retina") and numbers ("2").   

 

 

They also put the Generation for refurbished units.  (I.e. they don't make buyers figure out what model they're getting just from hardware specs.)

 


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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post
Unlike the iPhone, Apply only sells one generation of new iPod touch at a time.

 

So you think the iPhone 4 and 4S are "new generations" of iPhone, huh. 1oyvey.gif


Even Apple sells older iPod touch by which generation number it is, not by specs.

 

So do you see any numbers in the name of the product?


On the contrary, Apple hasn't shown any willingness to strip the iPhone name of model numbers.

 

Where did I say they did? It's easy to argue against something that hasn't happened. They have, however, shown willingness to both never have and to remove numbers from other product lines, even where the same situation as the iPhone occurs.


I just don't see how it could work right now.

 

By removing the numbers from the product name. Was that so hard to formulate? Why am I even asking this question? Why are YOU even speculating about it? What could have possibly been so hard to imagine about them doing it? They release a new device, but it has no number in the name. That's how it could work right now.

 

They just drop the number. It's literally that simple.


When someone's mother asks us which of the three current iPhones to order from AT&T, to get the original screen size and Siri, do we reply succinctly with "Aha, you mean the iPhone 4S"... or do we respond with, "Read the online sales specs carefully and figure it out yourself!"

 

Neither. We're talking sales and service industry here. The customer is already there; it's your job to make it as painless for them as possible. When they're in front of you, assume they've either already done their research or don't care about doing the research. Don't add a second step for them; just get them what they want.

 

"I want the small phone one with Siri." "Here's the iPhone you want." (middle of the line iPhone)

"I want the small laptop one with retina." "Here's the MacBook Pro you want." (13" MacBook Pro with retina display)

 

Heck, drop both designators from the MacBook family names. It still works.

 

"I want the smallest laptop." "Here's the MacBook you want." (currently 11" MacBook Air)

"I want the biggest laptop without retina." "Here's the MacBook you want." (currently 15.4" old-style MacBook Pro)

 

People look at specs for every other product Apple sells. Why do you claim they don't do the same for the iPhone, even with the numbers?

 

What about other questions where the person doesn't have a clue what they want?

 

"Which iPhone do think I should get?" "Oh, I got the middle one. I think you'd be fine with that/you should get the best one/the cheapest one will work for you." "I [perform action] a lot." "Okay, then you should definitely get the middle one/go with the high end."

 

Same thing as any computer purchase. The name of the product doesn't tell a person anything, number or not.

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Unlike the iPhone, Apply only sells one generation of new iPod touch at a time.

They are selling the 4th and 5th gen iPod Touches alongside each other.

"There is no rule that says the best phones must have the largest screen." ~RoundaboutNow

 

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Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post
They are selling the 4th and 5th gen iPod Touches alongside each other.

 

I'm still curious as to his definition of "new" in that regard.

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They are selling the 4th and 5th gen iPod Touches alongside each other.

 

Thanks for proving my point.   Apple tacks on a descriptive suffix, so the customer not only knows which one to buy by name, but which one is NEWER.  

 

 

Apple does NOT use the exact same name and just let the user pick by specs, as in this fake example where I blanked out the suffixes.

 

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Originally Posted by KDarling View Post
Thanks for proving my point.   Apple tacks on a descriptive suffix, so the customer not only knows which one to buy by name, but which one is NEWER.

 

So tell me which iPad is newer. iPad 2 sounds newer. However if there were no numbers, you'd go off of capability. Seems pretty simple to me.

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