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Google's technology ambassador said in an interview that he trusts Apple and Microsoft in handling personal data, but joked that Apple Maps users were taking their lives in their own hands using the company's much-maligned mapping app.

In an interview with Australian Broadcasting Corporation show "One Plus One," Michael T. Jones answered ? and occasionally parried ? a range of questions on the importance of privacy in the information era as well as concerns over so much personal information being gathered and held by large, multinational corporations such as Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook.

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Google technology ambassador Michael T. Jones speaks with "One Plus One."


Privacy has been a major issue for both Google and Apple in recent years, as both companies produce hardware and software products that store increasingly granular data on users behaviors, preferences, personal lives, and locations. The Federal Trade Commission recently recommended that both firms do more to protect children's privacy in kids' apps. The Commission also fined Google last year for circumventing privacy protections built into Apple's Safari web browser.

"I think it's a matter of you only work with people that you trust," Jones said when pressed on whether he sees any danger in these large organizations holding an increasing amount of data on individual behaviors. "I certainly trust Apple, and I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft, for that matter. These are not corrupt organizations; these are nice people trying to serve you. In the case of Google, everyone does it voluntarily. You do a search, you could have gone to somebody else; you came to us. If you thought we might betray you, you wouldn't come to us. So we stand to lose $30 billion or more the moment people lose trust in us."

"I certainly trust Apple, and I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft, for that matter. These are not corrupt organizations; these are nice people trying to serve you."
?Michael T. Jones, Google Chief Technology Advocate


Jones was less kind to Google's Cupertino rival when it came to mapping, ribbing Apple for the ongoing issues with its new Maps app, which replaced Google's app as the default option with iOS 6.

"I think you should be worried about getting where you want to go if you use Apple Maps," he said, parrying another question on personal information. "If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."

Jones' joke referred to reports from last year that police in Victoria, Australia, had issued warnings to motorists telling them that Apple's iOS 6 Maps app had caused a number of travelers to become stranded in a remote national park. The error was due to iOS Maps incorrectly displaying Mildura more than 40 miles southeast of its actual location. At the time, police said conditions in the location could make the mapping inaccuracy a "potentially life-threatening issue."

Coming back to the question at hand, Jones sought to allay concerns over how much data large companies hold on their users, specifically in the case of Google.

"I think it's overrated at times, the insight these companies have. We don't inform on anybody."
?Jones


"What we know is basically public information. I think it's overrated at times, the insight these companies have. We don't inform on anybody. We don't make a value judgment. It's just better information for you. It's the sort of information that a concierge might give you at a hotel. You ask for information on a restaurant and you're wearing a tuxedo or a bathing suit, they might give you different information... It's not that deep."

Jones also touched on the future of computing, saying he believes wearable technology ? such as Google Glass and similar tech from Apple ? is the way forward.

"There are seven billion people. Two billion of them have Internet, but four billion of them have mobile telephones. So, really, the day of the computer is over as far as consumers are concerned; the day of the mobile device is the new day, and what I see as happening is that that device is going to become ever more intimate... You won't have it in your pocket. It'll be in your glasses, in your ear, essentially a part of one of your sensory organs."

Summing up, Jones said consumers had a choice on where they could turn if they wanted the services Apple, Google, Facebook, and others provide. Even though those companies operate in an American corporate environment, they could, according to Jones, be better than the alternative.

"Who do you trust more: Google or your mayor?"
?Jones


"I think you should decide: Do you want the world's information coming to you? If you do, it's got to come from one of two sources: either your government or the United Nations or some other government, or from a company. Who do you trust more: Google or your mayor?"

He went on to tout Google's record as trustworthy.

"I think, to be truthful, we have a pretty unblemished record of serving every human... What I would like to be judged on is our actual behavior. I think we've gotten an A, maybe an A+."
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I find Apple maps to be very good for my uses.  

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Guess he conveniently missed this memo... "Police: Google Maps giving dangerous directions, too
Days after Australian police warn about Apple Maps, they lodge a similar complaint against Google."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57558777-93/police-google-maps-giving-dangerous-directions-too/
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I find Apple maps to be very good for my uses.

 

Same here. Have had zero issues.

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Google, Apple Maps may be imperfect but it never had me cross 5 lanes if traffic, cross a median, and make an illegal left turn all from a side street like Google Maps did.
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"If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."

Whatever.
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dupe - sorry

Ummm... he was lightening the conversation, tossing in a joke. It sounds as tho he paid a number of compliments to Apple during the interview.

 

BTW if you're curious who he is there's a short bio here:

http://www.googleventures.com/team/michael-jones

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'Better safe than Siri' would have been a great headline for an Fandroid site regarding the 'safety' nonsense.
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Google is starting to feel the pain of losing the default Maps position on iOS to Apple Maps.

 

Wait until they lose search and maps on both iOS and Mac OS X.

 

Time will tell.

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Ummm... he was lightening the conversation, tossing in a joke. It sounds as tho he paid a number of compliments to Apple during the interview.

 

BTW if you're curious who he is there's a short bio here:

http://www.googleventures.com/team/michael-jones

 

No, he was spinning BS, you know, like you do. Couching it in a "joke" doesn't make it any less insidious, or disingenuous. But, then, by now, everyone is used to Google lying every time they open their mouths.

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Guess he conveniently missed this memo... "Police: Google Maps giving dangerous directions, too
Days after Australian police warn about Apple Maps, they lodge a similar complaint against Google."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57558777-93/police-google-maps-giving-dangerous-directions-too/

 

One of many over the years

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The real joke he made wasn't about the maps (starbird73 already noted that Google had the same problem in Australia) but the statement, "I certainly trust Apple, and I trust Google, and I trust Microsoft, for that matter. These are not corrupt organizations; these are nice people trying to serve you." That is hilarious!!
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No, he was spinning BS, you know, like you do. Couching it in a "joke" doesn't make it any less insidious, or disingenuous. But, then, by now, everyone is used to Google lying every time they open their mouths.

Right. I get that it was said in jest, but it wasn't a "joke" - it was s dig at Apple. I have this belief that - be it politicians, C level executives, or any employee of a company that is speaking on that employee's behalf - Taking pot shots directly at your competition is not the best use of your time. Explain to me why you are superior. And, yes, this goes for the "I'm a Mac" ads. They were funny, highlighted perceived truths or "failures" of Windows, and pointed out how the Mac was better. But at least they were pointing out their benefits, not just "Get a Mac, that Windows PC is deadly"

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Google, Apple Maps may be imperfect but it never had me cross 5 lanes if traffic, cross a median, and make an illegal left turn all from a side street like Google Maps did.

 

Add into that going the wrong way down that side street which was a one way and ending up 10 miles from the right location because they had the building listed as North whatever and not South

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Right. I get that it was said in jest, but it wasn't a "joke" - it was s dig at Apple. I have this belief that - be it politicians, C level executives, or any employee of a company that is speaking on that employee's behalf - Taking pot shots directly at your competition is not the best use of your time. 

 

Not to mention it can backfire because you look like a dirtbag. 

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HA HA!

No, really, we are good. Look over there!
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I find Apple maps to be very good for my uses.  


so do i. it's never gotten me lost around my own city.

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"I think you should be worried about getting where you want to go if you use Apple Maps," he said, parrying another question on personal information. "If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."

 

 

LOL what??

 

Defamation. 

 

smh

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"If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."

Whatever.

It was a joke. And actually, exactly the kind of joke that Jobs would have made in a keynote.

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"I think you should be worried about getting where you want to go if you use Apple Maps," he said, parrying another question on personal information. "If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."
 

 

Give the users a little credit, will ya.

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Stupid google is on a propaganda campaign against apple.  They're all taking turns being snarky, smug and insulting.  Well F U google.

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He went on to tout Google's record as trustworthy.

"I think, to be truthful, we have a pretty unblemished record of serving every human... What I would like to be judged on is our actual behavior. I think we've gotten an A, maybe an A+."

 

Is this guy serious? I guess they didn't just get fined for what they did with Safari. 1rolleyes.gif

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Apple maps work great for me. I haven't had any issues.
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Oh, heavens to Betsy, Google made an Apple joke. I be clutching my pearls as I type.

Seriously, grow up.
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I was using Google's new iPhone map app today. That is one quality sweet app with seamless integration of Street View. Street View was exactly what I needed for a query this afternoon. I hope they come out with an iPad version soon! Just sayin'!

Love you iOS!! 

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Michael T. Jones must have a very short memory, or little depth to his Internet experience, as Google Maps was widely panned for...the exact same issues facing Apple Maps.
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Michael T. Jones must have a very short memory, or little depth to his Internet experience, as Google Maps was widely panned for...the exact same issues facing Apple Maps.

Either that or he thinks that the public won't be bright enough to remember that Google has had all the same issues. Bashing Apple seems to be all the rage these days.
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I've been purposely using turn-by-turn while traveling in and around the San Francisco Bay Area since the inception of 'Map-gate' with out ANY issues.  This includes both known, little known and unknown routes.  With only inconsequential deviations from my own 'local knowledge' route preferences, the system has been flawless.
 

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Stupid google is on a propaganda campaign against apple.  They're all taking turns being snarky, smug and insulting.  Well F U google.

I just watched the interview itself. FWIW the subject of Apple was first raised by the interviewer in accordance with a question on privacy. In the entire interview Apple might have been mentioned three times or so by Mr. Jones. It definitely wasn't an Apple-bashing. I did see it was certainly a nervous joke about Apple Maps rather than a light-hearted comment, so I've no idea why he bothered. I think it was a bit of a cheap-shot even if it was supposed to be a joke. As someone else mentioned it's the kind of comment Mr. Jobs was known for (Jobs delivery was just a lot better).  Other than the single comment neither Google maps nor Apple maps was the subject of any questions or other comments, so neither mapset wasn't really covered in the interview.

 

One of the most interesting points he made, and not mentioned in the AI article, was how they reconcile their goal of the public's open access to information with foreign government demands. They simply decline to offer services like GMail in a country where that government demands unimpeded access to it rather than sell out the users to that government.  Iran, North Korea and China were specifically mentioned. Begins about the 2:07 mark.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-08/one-plus-one-michael-t-jones/4508814


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As others have commented here, I've intentionally used only Apple Maps since the 6.0 release to test it and it has never failed me, either in guidance or in a look-up query. I have used it often on a daily basis in both the southwest US and in the UK over the holidays. Granted, I don't use mass transit or some of the other features Google Maps provide, but other than that Apple Maps is excellent for me--and I suspect many others. Apple stumbled a bit on its release and over-promised as to the capability of the product, but I have no doubt Apple's Maps will be every bit as comprehensive as Google's in the reasonably near future. And I suspect that is the real motivation behind Jone's alleged "joke".
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Sad but true headline.
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I just watched the interview itself. FWIW the subject of Apple was first raised by the interviewer in accordance with a question on privacy. 

 

I'm sure he was happy to change the subject if they were talking about privacy.

 

 

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We don't need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you've been. We can more or less know what you're thinking about. -- Eric Schmidt

 

Not surprised to see you out attempting damage control, though, GG.

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Ummm... he was lightening the conversation, tossing in a joke. It sounds as tho he paid a number of compliments to Apple during the interview.

 

BTW if you're curious who he is there's a short bio here:

http://www.googleventures.com/team/michael-jones

 

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I don't have any problems, works very well for me

 

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Gatorguy once again rides to the defense of poor, beleaguered Google!  lol.gif

Actually Gatorguy suggests you watch the video before passing judgement on something you never bothered to look at for yourself. Note my comments in post 29.


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"I think you should be worried about getting where you want to go if you use Apple Maps," he said, parrying another question on personal information. "If you want to be honest, you're taking your life in your own hands there."

 

It's better than putting my life into YOUR hands, you disgusting, hypocritical hacks.

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Actually Gatorguy suggests you watch the video before passing judgement on something you never bothered to look at for yourself. Note my comments in post 29.

 

Yours is a lost cause... lipstick on a pig.

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Oh, heavens to Betsy

Thanks tripper, hadn't heard that one.

Heavens to Betsy

Meaning

A mild exclamation of surprise.

Origin

This American phrase has been in circulation since, primarily restricted to America, the latter part of the 19th century, although its use faded throughout the 20th century and it is now something of an anachronism. The first example of it that I can find is from the US journal Ballou's dollar monthly magazine, Volume 5, January 1857:

Heavens to Betsy!" he exclaims...

It is possible that the phrase is a minced oath and an alternative to 'Hell's bells', although there's no real evidence of that,

Of course, what we would like to know is, 'was Betsy a real person and, if so, who?'. Various theories have been put forward but it is unlikely that she will be identified. For phrases that contain names that are genuinely eponymous, i.e. named after a known person or fictional character, it isn't difficult to trace the person concerned, as in 'sweet Fanny Adams', 'kiss me Hardy' etc. When we come to phrase like 'Mickey Finn', 'happy as Larry', where there is doubt as to the named person, a strong case can be made to suggest that the names were invented. That seems to be the case with Betsy.

The etymologist Charles Earle Funk published Heavens to Betsy! and other curious sayings in 1955. In that he ventured the opinion that the origins of 'Heavens to Betsy' were "completely unsolvable".


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Begins about the 2:07 mark.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-08/one-plus-one-michael-t-jones/4508814

Thanks Gatorguy, a good watch. He seems profound. But I don't think Google is as well. He says they are a rated A company, in his view. But didn't they publish books without authors' consent and therefore take it all offline when called upon that? And don't they scan gmail attachments for copyright material, kinda reversing what they did themselves?

Well, big company. Maybe one department was doing 1 thing, another department doing the opposite.
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Gatorguy once again rides to the defense of poor, beleaguered Google!  lol.gif

Actually Gatorguy suggests you watch the video before passing judgement on something you never bothered to look at for yourself. Note my comments in post 29.

 

You're referring to yourself in the third person now?  lol.gif

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From my personal use the new Google Maps app is worse than Apple Maps. Plus with Google you don't have the ability to add the address you are looking at to a contact.

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