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In a tongue-in-cheek review published on Friday, New York Magazine tells the story of a demo BlackBerry Z10 which, after multiple software issues including numerous crashes, died after only four days of testing.

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The now-dead BlackBerry Z10. | Source: New York Magazine


The piece, dubbed a "eulogy" by New York Magazine's Kevin Roose, said the BlackBerry Z10 test unit was offered up by the company's public relations team shortly after the device was announced on Jan. 30, and subsequently became unusable on Feb. 3.

While Roose commented on a few of the so-called "revolutionary" features of the Z10, like 70,000 available launch apps and a unique system that toggles the BB10 OS between work and home use, the article is peppered with a host of negatives. For example, besides the lack of apps like Netflix, Skype and Instagram that are common to rival smartphones, the BlackBerry unit suffered from multiple crashes.

Overall, it appears as though Roose was underwhelmed by the product:

BlackBerry Z10, you were a piece of crap, but you were my piece of crap. And I'll miss you. Whenever I pick up my iPhone from now on, I'll be looking at a solid, functional, well-designed piece of hardware with working apps and the ability to outlive a green banana. But I'll be thinking of you.


The BlackBerry Z10 and the physical keyboard-carrying Q10 are seen by many as being BlackBerry's last attempt at regaining a foothold in the smartphone market it once dominated.
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"Tongue in cheek"? That's an accomplished summary execution... I'll take the banana.
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Blackberry will probably get away with it. If there ever any hint of iPhones failing after 10 days, it would be immediately dubbed "10-day-gate," and blown out of proportion by blogs and competitors.

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"But I'll be thinking of you."

Heck, I'd be thinking of my iPhone every time I looked at the design of that BlackBerry. For some odd reason...

Samsung should sue them over the shape. There are a million ways to shape a black, rectangular, touch-based phone. They don't ALL look like Apple's. That's Samsung's thing, and they should defend it.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
Blackberry will probably get away with it. If there ever any hint of iPhones failing after 10 days, it would be immediately dubbed "10-day-gate," and blown out of proportion by blogs and competitors.

 

4 days. 

 

That's interesting; I read it that way at first, too. We must both have insanely-mild, subconscious dyslexia or something. 1tongue.gif


Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post
Time for a little editorial adjustment with the layout of the front page - currently the headline for this article is directly above:

 

"Apple's iOS 6.1 reportedly causing 3G and battery issues for some iPhone users"

 

If AppleInsider is going to devote space to hit pieces on products that have nothing to do with Apple, it would be less cringingly ironic if they weren't directly juxtaposed against headlines that paint a similarly dim view of Apple products.

 

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Apple has nothing to worry about from RIM.

 

 

MS, Google, RIM, HP, Motorola, Sony, Samsung are making substandard software/hardware.

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Manufacturing flaws in early production happen to everyone sometimes. The company previously known as RIM has the resources to iron out the process for the next batch. The instability was likely caused by the defect so a proper review was not possible. It's still embarrassing as hell.
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One would think RIM would be providing ringers to the press - just to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen.  It will be interesting to see what percentage of failure per handset they end up having.

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I like my iPhone but it's not like Apple hasn't had defective units before. If this type of failure with the Z10 becomes commonplace, then there might be an actual issue. Otherwise, it's just an unfortunate occurrence that is not representative of the brand/device.

If New York magazine would like to make this into a bigger deal than it actually is, then it's just another example of sensationalism via poor writing and low credibility.
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It was actually an iPhone with a blackberry skin and hacked to run the new non apple os.  It was a result of tards trying to play genius.  Kinda like Iran and its stealth fighter.

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In other news, the company formerly known as RIM has hired the artist formerly known as Prince to be its Chief Industrial Designer...

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Definitely an unfair article, as I doubt this is a common occurence and definitely an outlier case, but that doesnt make the article any less hilarious. The last paragraph is what makes it. 

 

"BlackBerry Z10, you were a piece of crap, but you were my piece of crap. And I'll miss you. Whenever I pick up my iPhone from now on, I'll be looking at a solid, functional, well-designed piece of hardware with working apps and the ability to outlive a green banana. But I'll be thinking of you."

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Sure... Apple phones never die.

Apple website trashing the competition..... GOOD JOB!
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"BlackBerry Z10, you were a piece of crap, but you were my piece of crap. And I'll miss you. Whenever I pick up my iPhone from now on, I'll be looking at a solid, functional, well-designed piece of hardware with working apps and the ability to outlive a green banana. But I'll be thinking of you

 

Cant really call it unbiased journalism - but lmao

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I'll take the banana.

 

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Sure... Apple phones never die.

Apple website trashing the competition..... GOOD JOB!

 

And you're doing what, exactly? Didn't you register on this site specifically to troll? I found the article funny, thats about it. It didn't make me come to any conclusions about the Z10, I'll do that when I actually try it out myself. Chill the **** out, get some fresh air. It's not that serious, nor can the Z10 be considered "competition" yet in any sense of the word. The iPhone is bashed daily on hundreds of sites, as is Apple, in a much more serious way than what this article did. Have you missed all the "IS APPLE DOOMED" headlines on every major site in the past couple months?

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Breaking News

 

Blackberry shares double on the back of NY Magazine story of a working prototype.

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I am not sure the z10 died 4 days is valid or fake. My husband is having been using z10 prerelease version since last year, that z10 still alive.
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What's up with the black bars at the top and bottom of the device?  That's in addition to the bezel.  Seems like a lot of wasted/non functional space.

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I am not sure the z10 died 4 days is valid or fake. My husband is having been using z10 prerelease version since last year, that z10 still alive.

Yes, and there are people who never have issues with iOS 6 Maps, but you never hear about it. Just the sensational stuff gets repeated on blogs.

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What's up with the black bars at the top and bottom of the device?  That's in addition to the bezel.  Seems like a lot of wasted/non functional space.

 

I think the Z10 actually looks better than the iPhone, which is riddled with numerous holes for the earpiece, proximity sensor, home button, etc.  Time for Apple to revise the design into something cleaner and more Apple-like.

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Time for a little editorial adjustment with the layout of the front page - currently the headline for this article is directly above:

"Apple's iOS 6.1 reportedly causing 3G and battery issues for some iPhone users"

If AppleInsider is going to devote space to hit pieces on products that have nothing to do with Apple, it would be less cringingly ironic if they weren't directly juxtaposed against headlines that paint a similarly dim view of Apple products.

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I like my iPhone but it's not like Apple hasn't had defective units before. If this type of failure with the Z10 becomes commonplace, then there might be an actual issue. Otherwise, it's just an unfortunate occurrence that is not representative of the brand/device.

If New York magazine would like to make this into a bigger deal than it actually is, then it's just another example of sensationalism via poor writing and low credibility.

The difference, of course, is that Apple has sold tens of millions of iPhones. Even at 99.9% reliability, there would be some failures.

RIM has made a few hand-made, and hand checked units for special delivery to the press as samples. They presumably got more scrutiny than normal production devices.

I agree that it doesn't mean a whole lot at this point, but pretending that an insignificant number of failures of Apple devices is the same thing is silly.
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Dude, relax.  You get pretty wrapped up in this. Don't blame the messenger - if you have a problem, it's with the editors at AppleInsider for running an anti-Apple headline on their front page.

 

Don't blame the messenger?

 

What kind of strange role are you imagining yourself in?

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The dysfunctional attitude of some on this website is sad but hilarious to read.
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Surely all consumer electronics have some that ship only to die a few days later for various reasons. There are simply too many complex components for this not to happen. Surely this isn't BlackBerry's nee RiM's first rodeo and they know they should thoroughly test their demo units before sending them off to be put through their paces.

Has this happened to other CE demo units given to the tech writers for testing? If so, I can't recall reading about it. The closest I can recall is on AnandTech, but that has never been with consumer electronics but with components like GPUs, SSD, and mother boards. They have noted other issues, like with cheap displays, but those aren't given to them by the vendor but instead purchased specifically for testing, hence not falling into the same category as a vendor supplied demo unit.

I'm personally impressed with a lot of what I've seen with the BB10 so I'm hoping this was just a fluke. I'd like to think that BlackBerry has delayed the BB10 because it wanted to ship an overwhelmingly stable device. Fingers crossed.

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I think the Z10 actually looks better than the iPhone, which is riddled with numerous holes for the earpiece, proximity sensor, home button, etc.  Time for Apple to revise the design into something cleaner and more Apple-like.

 

Uh, I honestly don't know whats more "Apple-like" than an iPhone- thats the epitome of Apple. Cleaner? When the iPhone was first introduced it was the cleanest looking device Apple had made, and every subsequent version has only gotten cleaner. "Riddled with holes"? I'm pretty sure the Z10 has just as many holes. And things like proximity sensors and earpieces all need holes, there's not a single phone without them. I wouldn't consider the home button a "hole", and thats not going anywhere anytime soon. Quite a bit of reaching in your post. 

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I think the Z10 actually looks better than the iPhone, which is riddled with numerous holes for the earpiece, proximity sensor, home button, etc.  Time for Apple to revise the design into something cleaner and more Apple-like.

I can see how one would say it's cleaner as it does have a much simple look and feel, but is it a better design. Not look, but design? It has that executive look but like a lot of products designed to look sleek does that come at the expense of functionality. If BB can make a case for not having a physical Home Button I'm all for it but I'd wager that having a single, standard button that always takes you to the same place is valuable on a touchscreen device.

Also, the high res images of the Z10 do make it look like it has the fit and finish of an Apple product. I will reserve final judgement until I can handle it myself but Apple's manufacturing process is looking superior at this point.

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Yes, and there are people who never have issues with iOS 6 Maps, but you never hear about it. Just the sensational stuff gets repeated on blogs.

 

One only has to refer to RIM's past history, specifically the Storm (read the comments here) to know just what insurmountable odds the Z10 is up against, if RIM is to have any hope of recapturing their lost marketshare.

 

There is no room for errors like this, after the Storm debacle.

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I can see how one would say it's cleaner as it does have a much simple look and feel, but is it a better design. Not look, but design? It has that executive look but like a lot of products designed to look sleek does that come at the expense of functionality. If BB can make a case for not having a physical Home Button I'm all for it but I'd wager that having a single, standard button that always takes you to the same place is valuable on a touchscreen device.

Also, the high res images of the Z10 do make it look like it has the fit and finish of an Apple product. I will reserve final judgement until I can handle it myself but Apple's manufacturing process is looking superior at this point.

I think it looks better than the S3 but the iPhone 5 still gives off more of a premium feel for me.  Seems like a lot of wastes space with the Z10.  A fairly wide bezel plus the plastic bars on the top and bottom.  I'm assuming they're there for a reason but its hard to tell what for just by looking at the device.

 

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One only has to refer to RIM's past history, specifically the Storm (read the comments here) to know just what insurmountable odds the Z10 is up against, if RIM is to have any hope of recapturing their lost marketshare.

 

There is no room for errors like this, after the Storm debacle.

Sorry hill60, They can only hope to recapture a small percentage of what they once had. They are way behind the eight ball - dev support ? Hell, I dunno - maybe someone else can comment.

 

100% agree - no room for errors. Last throw of the dice for them.

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I think it looks better than the S3 but the iPhone 5 still gives off more of a premium feel for me.  Seems like a lot of wastes space with the Z10.  A fairly wide bezel plus the plastic bars on the top and bottom.  I'm assuming they're there for a reason but its hard to tell what for just by looking at the device.

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Wow! I hadn't realized the bezel was so big. The plastic/rubber rim between the display and casing are common to make manufacturing cheaper and simpler but it does make it look less "premium" as you say. Love or hate Apple no what device you choose you have to thank them for pulling the stagnant smartphone industry out of the dark ages.

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Sorry hill60, They can only hope to recapture a small percentage of what they once had. They are way behind the eight ball - dev support ? Hell, I dunno - maybe someone else can comment.

They have 70k apps, which is great, but they don't seem to have the right apps. There are some staples I think you need to have from the start, even if you need to pay to have them developed, if you want your ecosystem to be successful.

They are allow working on allowing Android apps to run on the device. I assume it's just a compatible Java runtime which I hope won't affect performance. I guess that could help tremendously but this didn't work out too well for them last time.

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So it just behaved like all the blackberrys I had before: numerous crashes and at the end died.
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ahh - thanks, Sol.

If android apps can run then they have chance, maybe.

 

Interesting how we consider what a device or b device represents in its totality these days.

The amount of resources a company needs to dedicate to ongoing support to a device these days is also a huge factor.

Not sure if they can do it - time will tell.

Personally I'd be happy to see them grab a heap of the android market share, if they can keep it stable. People demand so much from their phones now that Apple has benchmarked it - man, I dunno.

The market will speak I guess.


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Wow! I hadn't realized the bezel was so big. The plastic/rubber rim between the display and casing are common to make manufacturing cheaper and simpler but it does make it look less "premium" as you say. Love or hate Apple no what device you choose you have to thank them for pulling the stagnant smartphone industry out of the dark ages.

Seems to me these days if someone has a design that's not butt ugly it immediately gets compared to Apple.  I'm sorry but just because something isn't ugly doesn't mean it's as good as Apple.  I've seen close up pics of the Z10 and I don't think it's on par with Apple design at all.  My iPhone 5 has incredibly tight tolerances.  There's very few phones, if any that compare.  So many people raved about the Lumia 920 design.  I played around with one at Best Buy and it was a turnoff because it was so bulky. Yet it didn't have any sort of premium feel to it. It felt very plasticky.  Aesthetically it might look nice but when you hold it in your hand it feels cheap.  At least it does to me. Can't say the same about the iPhone 5 or 5th gen iPod touch.

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One would think RIM would be providing ringers to the press - just to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen.  It will be interesting to see what percentage of failure per handset they end up having.

Maybe this phone was a ringer... the best of the best... 

 

The comment in the story where "there were multiple software issues including numerous crashes" got my attention... sounds like the OS is still in beta; barely out of alpha. 

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I think the Z10 actually looks better than the iPhone, which is riddled with numerous holes for the earpiece, proximity sensor, home button, etc.  Time for Apple to revise the design into something cleaner and more Apple-like.

 

Hahahaha...your post made me laugh. Apple makes a phone with the least number of openings and gets blasted because there's not a hole to change out the battery, or another to add more memory. and dam Apple for not having a USB port or two. 

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