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During a panel at the D: Dive Into Media conference on Monday, Samsung Executive Vice President David Eun outlined a bold initiative to drive innovative thinking at the intersection of hardware and software, and said the ongoing litigation with Apple is hurting such efforts as a whole.

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Samsung EVP David Eun. | Source: All Things D


While not a main talking point of the interview, Eun told All Things D's Kara Swisher that he saw the seemingly endless legal struggle as "a loss" for innovation in the fast-moving tech industry.

As noted by Engadget, Swisher asked Eun how he felt about Samsung's relationship with Apple, which quickly turned sour after a worldwide court battle broke out in April 2011 over Apple sued the Korean company for infringing on certain design and utility patents. Eun was cagey in his reply, offering little in the way of specifics, though he did note that the litigation was stagnating innovation.

The two companies have multiple cases still pending judgment, though the landmark Apple v. Samsung U.S. jury trial ended with a $1 billion ruling in favor of the Cupertino tech giant. The California case is currently slogging its way through the post-trial process.

It was revealed today that Apple CEO Tim Cook disagreed with late cofounder Steve Jobs' views on pursuing legal actions against Samsung.

Eun's remarks were part of a larger discussion of Samsung's push into Silicon Valley, a project dubbed the Open Innovation Center which the executive has been tasked to lead.

?We?re doubling down on software innovation, particularly software that will enhance our products,? he said. ?We?re focusing on investing in early stage companies and developing partnerships with them that can help us enhance the user experience of our customers.?

Samsung's initiative has an accelerator branch that grants small startup teams access to the firm's plans, an M&A team to scout up-and-coming talent, a venture arm to make small investments in the "next big things" and a partnerships team for all other startups, including those that don't want to be bound to the company.

Currently, the innovation centers are housed in temporary locations in Silicon Valley and New York City. Permanent facilities are slated to pop up in Palo Alto and New York's Chelsea neighborhood this June.
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Theft is innovation? These theiving slimeballs need to be brought to bear for their illegal activities
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A tired cliche from an intellectual property thief that refuses to innovate.

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outlined a bold initiative to drive innovative thinking at the intersection of hardware and software

 

 

 

Perhaps they're finally realising that a bigger screen isn't innovative, or that throwing a whole bunch of features in for the sake of the spec sheet isn't innovative. Apple has been doing this for years, however. Although I suppose for Samsung it might seem innovative.

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If it makes Samsung come up with more of their OWN designs and fewer Apple-clone designs, then it's a win for innovation, choice, and competition.

If it fails to achieve that, then yes, a loss.
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Yes.. we can't steal from Apple anymore because we are under the microscope now! Well, it is a matter of time before Samsung create their own Android OS fork.

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Yes.. we can't steal from Apple anymore because we are under the microscope now! Well, it is a matter of time before Samsung create their own Android OS fork.

He should put his IP where is mouth is and license it out for $0.00 as not doing so is halting innovation.
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Samsung steals technology from Apple and then they call it innovation. How utterly ridiculous.
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When Samsung actually innovates, the only losers are the ones in the photocopier-machine industry.  What a douche.

Make your own stuff Samsung.  Be grateful you had Apple to pave the way for you to copy.

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Yes.. we can't steal from Apple anymore because we are under the microscope now! Well, it is a matter of time before Samsung create their own Android OS fork.

I'm curious about this. What would be the advantage in this, other than the obvious opportunity to make "fork you" jokes.

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Stop copying Apple = no more litigation. 

 

Pretty simple, really. 

 

Where were YOU, Samsung, in June 2007? Where were YOU, Samsung, In January 2010? Because I sure as shit know EXACTLY what Apple did on those two occasions. Steve Jobs was busy doing the keynotes that changed the entire tech landscape almost overnight. 

 

Where were YOU, Samsung?

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...Swisher asked Eun how he felt about Samsung's relationship with Apple, which quickly turned sour after a worldwide court battle broke out in April 2011 over Apple sued the Korean company for infringing on certain design and utility patents. Eun was cagey in his reply, offering little in the way of specifics...

...and that's because their CE business has been busy sticking a knife through the heart of their components business. He has to watch his back internally more than externally I'd wager.

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post #13 of 74

Eun didn't talk about the JURY VERDICT that put his company on the hook for over a billion to Apple?

 

He didn't?

 

 

 

 

Oh.

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Caption: Samsung "vice" president shows Kara how long his nose will grow by the end of this interview.
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Samsung has no class to allow one of its VPs to talk like this in public.

 

What a tawdry tactic to yammer about lack of innovation while Apple is most likely working like crazy on its next new thing. Not that they'd stoop to engaging such a cheap ploy, even if they had the time.

 

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Ass Clowns!
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During a panel at the D: Dive Into Media conference on Monday, Samsung Executive Vice President David Eun outlined a bold initiative to drive innovative thinking at the intersection of hardware and software, and said the ongoing litigation with Apple is hurting such efforts as a whole....

...We're doubling down on software innovation, particularly software that will enhance our products, he said....

 

Which probably is all the more reason why Apple should be doubling down on secrecy.

 

 

I can't wait for the trolls to defend this initiative to buy small start-ups, which will spur innovation for Samsung.....but when Apple does the same it means they've run out of their own ideas and can no longer innovate.

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Apple should have taken a different tack.  Instead of saying Galaxies were _like_ Apple products, Apple should have asserted that galaxies _were_ Apple products.  It's really theft.  Samsung was manufacturing Apple's products without a license.  

 

It's just like selling a recording of a Beatles song, but pretending you wrote it and refusing to pay royalties.  The offense is not releasing the product; the offense is stealing their revenue for their song.

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Where were YOU, Samsung, in June 2007? Where were YOU, Samsung, In January 2010? Because I sure as shit know EXACTLY what Apple did on those two occasions. Steve Jobs was busy doing the keynotes that changed the entire tech landscape almost overnight. 

Where were YOU, Samsung?

Simple... Samsung had to wait for Google to make them an OS on both those occasions. Samsung had nothing to offer at the time.

Samsung didn't release their first Android phone until 2009... 2 years after the iPhone.

They were a little quicker on the tablet front, though. But instead of waiting for Honeycomb (the "real" tablet OS... lol...) they went ahead and put Froyo on their first Android tablet in late 2010.

Oh Samsung may make great products now... but in those early days they were freakin' clueless.
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Say what you want about Samsung (or for those so inclined, Apple and it's "lack of innovation" in the past couple years) - He is right. I know I would not be continuing to push out amazing new products that change an industry, or create a new industry, etc. if the minute I released something, or announced, that the industry photo copiers started up.

 

I genuinely think that part of the reason (the other part being that the pace from 2007-2010 was completely unsustainable) for the perceived lack of innovation coming out of Cupertino in the past few years is due to the constant litigation these companies are in.

 

Once a line is drawn and everyone (or everyone with the means) knows where that line is, regardless if money changes hands or not, and there is a certain level of IP protection, we will again start to be really amazed.

 

EDIT: If I had a time machine, the first stop would be to buy some AAPL when it went public, hold onto it until mid/late 2012. The second stop would be to visit Steve Jobs in early 2010 and see if I could convince hime to buy palm. I know I need to give this up, but I still think had Apple bought palm, and taken webOS and merged the good parts with iOS? It would be the best mobile OS in the world with no competition.


Edited by starbird73 - 2/11/13 at 7:58pm
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Samsung: Killing innovation since 2006 (at least).

Seriously, whose idea was it to make an "Innovation Center" in Silicon Valley. Sure makes sense though. It's a lot easy to steal ideas when you're that much closer to the IP... then call it "innovation" and voila... they're the good guys.

I call BS.
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Oh, and love how they are now "focusing on the intersection of hardware and software". Um... copying Apple AGAIN Samsung? Ever since the first iPhone introduction from Steve Jobs, he has highlighted that as the core of what Apple is about, and now Samsung just can't wait to open offices in the US to copying Apple again. Pathetic.
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 If I had a time machine...

My selfless wish...

 

If I had a time machine, I would relentlessly attempt to persuade Steve to aggressively treat his cancer using modern medicine from day-one of his diagnosis.

 

I could be greedy and add to the 4000 shares of AAPL I bought at a split-adjusted ~$4.25/share when Steve became interim CEO in the late '90s.....but I'm happy with what I have.

 

I just wish we still had Steve. Lord knows how much more our lives would be enriched by his vision.

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The second stop would be to visit Steve Jobs in early 2010 and see if I could convince hime to buy palm. I know I need to give this up, but I still think had Apple bought palm, and taken webOS and merged the good parts with iOS? It would be the best mobile OS in the world with no competition.

 

 

No need to visit Steve and tell him that. Apple tried to buy Palm, but was outbid by HP. Apparently, Apple was going to run Palm as an independent subsidiary to compete directly in the keyboard segment against RIM. 

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Sammy: It is a "loss" for innovation since we don't know who to copy now. BB10 looks promising to copy...er...prototype...er...evaluate. Look for our 132 point-by-point comparison and our future release of the Blackjack10.

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My selfless wish...

 

If I had a time machine, I would relentlessly attempt to persuade Steve to aggressively treat his cancer using modern medicine from day-one of his diagnosis. I just wish we still had Steve. Lord knows how much more our lives would be enriched by his vision.

 

There that is better. 

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That's a real big joke since Samsung is the copy machine of Apple products. They don't know anything about innovation except what they learned from Apple and used it on there own products. That's not innovation Samsung, that's STEALING!

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Innovation has been reduced to a buzz word while Samsung wait for Apple to give them the "next big thing" to copy. Stolen design, free OS and zero true innovation from a company entrenched in copycat culture. F this guy.
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He's absolutely right. If by innovation you mean stealing from innovators.
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oh good: he memorized the official talking points.

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So if Samsung innovated I'd get a choice between a Blackberry circa 2007 or a Samsung BlackJack 5 with windows CE. Or maybe android 1.x

 

Competition is good and imagine how crappy mobile phones would be if Apple never showed up.

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This is damage control.  it's one thing to steal from others and get caught, but to suggest that this is going to limit "innovation" is just DUMB.  Samsung, please don't insult my intelligence.  Get a life.  Stick to making components and get out of the Android smartphone and tablet business.

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If it makes Samsung come up with more of their OWN designs and fewer Apple-clone designs, then it's a win for innovation, choice, and competition.

If it fails to achieve that, then yes, a loss.

Nothing personal, but Samsung is practicing conflict of interest by being a component supplier to smartphone and tablet companies while also making competing products. They know what the competitors are buying, they have control over pricing and availability for their component customers and they can at any time without anyone knowing prevent their competitors from getting product and being competitive from a cost perspective.  These guys have already been nailed more than once for price fixing, which is illegal and it doesn't seem that have learned how to not price fix.  It seems as though they might still practice that illegal business practice and only do something when/if they get caught.  Once is wrong, but TWICE?

Samsung should stick to being a component supplier and get out of competing with those customers. It's a VERY unethical business practice they've been getting away with for YEARS.

 

It's similar to what Microsoft is starting to do by coming out with their own product designs to compete with their OS OEM customers.

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Samsung steals technology from Apple and then they call it innovation. How utterly ridiculous.

It's just damage control because All Things Digital is stupid enough to let them get interviewed and let them get away with this pitch.

I would be all over him about conflict of interest, pricing fixing and how they can be a component supplier to smartphone and tablet makers and also compete with them and think that is ETHICAL.


I just won't buy ANYTHING with the Samsung label on the outside.  They can make components all they want, but if the product has Samsung's name on it, I will simply not buy it.  They aren't the only game in town for their other products like household appliances and TVs. They aren't the best either.  Plus they resort to desperate sales tactics by handing out spiff checks to sales reps, misleading advertising campaigns, and just simple backstabbing.

 

I don't know about you, but everytime I go to a website and they have a link to the Apple App Store to download an app, I am finding less and less available for both iOS and Android.  I still have yet to see a site that also lists Windows RT.  Oh well.

 

Yeah, the buzz word INNOVATION is getting out of hand and REAL old.  Innovation is only good if the invention is USEFUL.  

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So, Mr David Eun, if you describe the "legal struggle as "a loss" for innovation in the fast-moving tech industry." why are Samsung suing LG in Korea over OLED patents?

 

Samsung should just let LG "innovate" with their TV's.

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post #36 of 74

Yawn. Samsung makes good hardwares, but failed at UI, OS and design. Forever a good a supplier. 

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Where were YOU, Samsung, in June 2007? Where were YOU, Samsung, In January 2010? Because I sure as shit know EXACTLY what Apple did on those two occasions. Steve Jobs was busy doing the keynotes that changed the entire tech landscape almost overnight. 

Where were YOU, Samsung?

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post #38 of 74
They say that because, like Microsoft they are having less opportunity to copy successful Apple products.

It is very funny to watch other people with their skateboard samroid phones as they literally fall apart in their hands.
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They can't even innovate enough to come up with their own catch phrases.  They say they are "Doubling Down"  Their meeting goes:  We are going to really innovate. Since Apple is doubling down on secrecy, we will have to double down on spying, I mean innovation!

post #40 of 74
Samsunf's copying is shameless but theft is the wrong term for it. I do wonder if Apple will go after Blackberry, whose Z10 is closer to iPhone 5 than any Samsung device.
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