or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple updates processors and drops prices of MacBook Pro with Retina Display [u]
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple updates processors and drops prices of MacBook Pro with Retina Display [u]

post #1 of 144
Thread Starter 
Apple said Wednesday that it's making the MacBook Pro with Retina display faster and more affordable with updated processors and lower starting prices, starting at $1,499 rather than $1,699.

$1,499 MacBook Pro


The 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display now starts at $1,499 for a model equipped with 128GB of flash, while $1,699 will buy a new 2.6 GHz processor and 256GB of flash. The 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display now also features a faster 2.4 GHz quad-core processor, while the top-of-the-line 15-inch notebook comes with a new 2.7 GHz quad-core processor and 16GB of memory.

Apple also announced today that the 13-inch MacBook Air with 256GB of flash has a lower price of $1,399.

AppleInsider will be working to update its Price Guides as retailers and resellers adjust pricing throughout the day on the back of Apple's announcement. Once resellers update their pricing, AppleInsider will notify readers.

For those in the market for a new MacBook, MacMall offers AppleInsider readers the absolutely lowest prices around on most MacBooks when you click through the links in our Price Guides and apply promo code APPINSDRMWB37994 on the retailer's product pages. At the same time, B&H Photo offers AppleInsider readers unbeatable prices on Macs that are bundled with 3 years of AppleCare extended warranty plans.

Update: B&H Photo has dropped its pricing as reflected below and in our Mac Price Guide. A list of B&H Price Drops on BTO MacBook Pro with Retina display configurations is available here.

Update 2: Both Amazon and MacMall have adjusted their prices as well.



Macs with 3-Years of AppleCare

post #2 of 144

Hmm...must not have been selling as well as they hoped?

post #3 of 144

This is good news. But how pissed would you be if you'd just bought one.

"If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything" Robert Zemeckis/Bob Gale/Robert_E._Lee
Reply
"If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything" Robert Zemeckis/Bob Gale/Robert_E._Lee
Reply
post #4 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius View Post

This is good news. But how pissed would you be if you'd just bought one.

You have 2 weeks to return yours and Apple has no restocking fee.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #5 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Hmm...must not have been selling as well as they hoped?

 

This is not a new trend. MacBook Air started off more expensive than it is today, when SSD drives were not as cheap.

 

Having said that, I do believe the marvels of Retina Display on a laptop are totally under-appreciated. I wish it was available on more Windows laptops, as I need to work on both Windows and Mac OS.

post #6 of 144
I'd like to see if the SSDs are different. If they are using the smaller node NAND that could account for a good part of the cost reduction. We knew something was going to happen this year but I assumed they would most likely double the capacity at the same price point as 64GB for a MBA isn't very much. I guess $999 is not something they want to deviate from and the 64GB MBA is selling well enough to make that a good starting point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

This is not a new trend. MacBook Air started off more expensive than it is today, when SSD drives were not as cheap.

And that SFF CULV processor was made to suit only Apple's need for an experimental new notebook class. It was also the first Mac with a milled aluminum chassis and a display laminated to the glass. I think it may have also been the first to use the more sophisticated 1000 cycle battery tech.
Edited by SolipsismX - 2/13/13 at 6:12am

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #7 of 144
This price is getting closer to the Surface Pro. Those why bought the Surface Pro and not a MBP, well, they didn't buy the MBP.
I’d rather have a better product than a better price.
Reply
I’d rather have a better product than a better price.
Reply
post #8 of 144
AAPL will further drop as this news show Apple MacBook Pro demand is weaker than expected .
post #9 of 144
How about providing a 16 GM RAM option for the 13" rMBP?
post #10 of 144
Wow I did not see this coming. 3 months I've had mine for...

Bit gutting but that's life I guess.
post #11 of 144

the 13" was way overprice for something with no GPU.  Its an improvement at $1500, it fits the MacBook Air with retina needs.  But I still think you need a GPU to drive that resolution, so its not a PC for either gaming or serious video/photo editing.

 

IF you want an Air style laptop with retina I suggest you wait for the ones with then new Intel Haswell CPU with HD5000 integrated GPU. We should get those this summer.


Edited by herbapou - 2/13/13 at 6:22am
post #12 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_mac_lover View Post

AAPL will further drop as this news show Apple MacBook Pro demand is weaker than expected .

How you figure?
post #13 of 144
So, no change to 15" retina prices?

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
Reply

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
Reply
post #14 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


And that SFF CULV processor was made to suit only Apple's need for an experimental new notebook class. It was also the first Mac with a milled aluminum chassis and a display laminated to the glass. I think it may have also been the first to use the more sophisticated 1000 cycle battery tech.

I believe also the first with the RAM soldered to the MB.
I’d rather have a better product than a better price.
Reply
I’d rather have a better product than a better price.
Reply
post #15 of 144

Would explain AppleInsiders "Fire Sale", not really a fire sale at all just shifting old stock before the new release. 

iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
iPad, Macbook Pro, iPhone, heck I even have iLife! :-)
Reply
post #16 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

I believe also the first with the RAM soldered to the MB.

Oh yeah. And the SSD card which was exactly new as we saw some very cheap and slow versions in netbooks, of all things, but Apple's had different electrical signaling on that mSATA board. I have no proof but it sounds like they had to get others to build them to their design.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #17 of 144

I love it: 

 

When Apple products are "too expensive" people rage at the price and make fun of us that buy them. 

 

When Apple lowers the price due to part savings, manufacturing processes, etc. then it's because Apple market share was suffering and they need to sell more. 

post #18 of 144
Suddenly Newton View Post
So, no change to 15" retina prices?

 

Correct. Ars states it more clearly:

 

The 15" Retina MacBook Pro sees a slight increase in its processor speeds as well, though no price drop. The base model now comes with a quad-core 2.4GHz Core i7, up from 2.3GHz. The top-end model now comes with a 2.7GHz quad-core processor, up from 2.6GHz. It also comes standard with 16GB of RAM. Prices are the same at $2,199 and $2,799 respectively, but you do get a little more for your money.

[this account has been abandoned]

Reply

[this account has been abandoned]

Reply
post #19 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by techfox View Post

Wow I did not see this coming. 3 months I've had mine for...

Bit gutting but that's life I guess.

Is $200 worth not waiting for 3 months?

Quote:
Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

the 13" was way overprice for something with no GPU.  Its an improvement at $1500, it fits the MacBook Air with retina needs.  But I still think you need a GPU to drive that resolution, so its not a PC for either gaming or serious video/photo editing.

IF you want an Air style laptop with retina I suggest you wait for the ones with then new Intel CPU with HD5000 integrated GPU. We should get those this summer.

1) You repeat that it has no GPU in a clear reference to an iGPU but then conclude by suggesting people wait for the next iGPU. If the 4000 doesn't suit you why will you be satisfied with the 5000? What about it will make a world of difference after you've stated. "I still think you need a GPU to drive that resolution, so its not a PC for either gaming or serious video/photo editing."

2) As someone who has been using 13" MBPs, 13" MBs, and 12" PBs for a very long time I can say I've never cared about the GPU performance so long as it drives the display for my needs. I am not a gamer nor a video or photo editor. If I was I certainly wouldn't want a 13" notebook as my primary PC. Note the 12" PB had a dGPU but there is no way I'd trade that for the iGPUs that came in the Intel machines.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #20 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Over priced how? I can't seem to find any other 13" notebook with 200+ PPI IPS display to compare it with. Or do you mean that it's more than you were willing to pay?

 

Overprice compare to Apple own 15" RMBP...  look at the specs, you almost have to be a fool the buy the 13" at $1700.  Makes a bit more sense at 1500$

post #21 of 144
This is nothing new folks. Same thing happened w/ MBA. Believe it or not, there isn't anything that really compares to these with the Retina display.Two obvious reasons for lower pricing. First being components get cheaper and second being they'll wanting to phase out the "old" MBP style. The second was an always but waiting for the first to happen.
post #22 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Is $200 worth not waiting for 3 months?
1) You repeat that it has no GPU in a clear reference to an iGPU but then conclude by suggesting people wait for the next iGPU. If the 4000 doesn't suit you why will you be satisfied with the 5000? What about it will make a world of difference after you've stated. "I still think you need a GPU to drive that resolution, so its not a PC for either gaming or serious video/photo editing."

2) As someone who has been using 13" MBPs, 13" MBs, and 12" PBs for a very long time I can say I've never cared about the GPU performance so long as it drives the display for my needs. I am not a gamer nor a video or photo editor. If I was I certainly wouldn't want a 13" notebook as my primary PC. Note the 12" PB had a dGPU but there is no way I'd trade that for the iGPUs that came in the Intel machines.

 

I meant the 13" RMBP should have a discreet GPU like the GT 650m.  But at $1500, the same machine with an intel Haswell CPU w/HD5000 would be decent since its 2.5 times faster than the HD4000.   Still no gaming machine, but at least it would be able to run old games or do photo editing without choking. 

 

The 13" RMBP is a broken product to me, its as a major GPU bottleneck that makes the machine useless for anything other than web browsing and desktop apps. Its a very expensive facebook laptop.


Edited by herbapou - 2/13/13 at 6:35am
post #23 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

Overprice compare to Apple own 15" RMBP...  look at the specs, you almost have to be a fool the buy the 13" at $1700.  Makes a bit more sense at 1500$

1) The 13" RMBP starts at $1,500 and the 15' RMBP at $2,199. Frankly I'm surprised the prices are so cheap considering the jump for about 110 PPI TN panels to 220 PPI IPS panels. Look at what HP charged for their DreamColor IPS displays. $550 just for that add on and it wasn't Retina.


edit: Here is the comparison between the non-Retina and Retina 13' MBPs

13-inch: 2.5GHz
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
4GB 1600MHz memory
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
Intel HD Graphics 4000
Built-in battery (7 hours)
$1,199.00

13-inch: 2.5GHz
with Retina display
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
8GB 1600MHz memory
128GB flash storage
Intel HD Graphics 4000
Built-in battery (7 hours)
$1,499.00

$300 more for a Retina IPS display, SSD, and double the RAM, not to mention the weight and size reduction If anything is overpriced it sounds like it's the old style MBPs in comparison to the new.

2) You're completely ignoring the desire for the 13" over the 15" when you call people are fools for getting the smaller machine. This isn't the same as the difference between a small and medium Coke at the movies.
Edited by SolipsismX - 2/13/13 at 6:37am

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #24 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


Over priced how? I can't seem to find any other 13" notebook with 200+ PPI IPS display to compare it with. Or do you mean that it's more than you were willing to pay?

How about the Acer Aspire S7? List is $1399, but it's commonly available for under $1300. There's also the Asus Zenbook Prime (UX31A) at $1399 list price. There may be others. That was just a quick search.

melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #25 of 144

I'm waiting for a GPU bump before pulling the trigger on a 15" MBPr. My 2010 MBP is still going strong (mostly thanks to the SSD I upgraded it to).

post #26 of 144

This is what I expected...

At least Apple start to clean up their inventories.

I think soon, Apple will release without Retina screen with new body at $1199 and $1799.

I guess that will be part of Intel Haswell CPU update.

 

Apple should drop Air 11" model as well. Air 13" 128GB SSD should be $1099 starting point.

11" Air has no place to go.. iPad now has 128GB SSD(Wifi+4G) price very close to 11"Air 64GB model.

post #27 of 144
Great example of Apples "damned if you, damned if you don't" position. Best product and best margins? That just means they are over priced! Drop the price when the tech is slowly made cheaper? See, they weren't selling! Stock will drop!

I swear to god if Apple announced they had perfected Siri in a star trek like interface and announced the culmination of a top secret project the give you 250 times today's laptop CPU power now available in watch form with full artificial intelligence and voice control but with a 3D projected interface alla minority report if you didn't feel like speaking to your wrist, with a 2 week battery and solar recharging, on sale today $25, people would bitch that Apple hates 3rd party keyboard makers.then the stock would drop 15% because they would now be out of innovative ideas.
OSX, because making UNIX user friendly is easier than debugging windows.
Reply
OSX, because making UNIX user friendly is easier than debugging windows.
Reply
post #28 of 144
RichL View Post

I'm waiting for a GPU bump before pulling the trigger on a 15" MBPr. My 2010 MBP is still going strong (mostly thanks to the SSD I upgraded it to).

 

Agreed. I'm no engineer, but a GPU update seems more complicated than using a newer revision of the same CPU model. At least for the rMBPs and their current Woz-style double-resolution-downscaled hack.

[this account has been abandoned]

Reply

[this account has been abandoned]

Reply
post #29 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

How about the Acer Aspire S7? List is $1399, but it's commonly available for under $1300. There's also the Asus Zenbook Prime (UX31A) at $1399 list price. There may be others. That was just a quick search.

How are those the same? I know that Acer uses an IPS display and AnandTech said it was a great machine, for Acer, but t's not Retina and the MSRP on the Acer is $1650.

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #30 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


1) The 13" RMBP starts at $1,500 and the 15' RMBP at $2,199. Frankly I'm surprised the prices are so cheap considering the jump for about 110 PPI TN panels to 220 PPI IPS panels. Look at what HP charged for their DreamColor IPS displays. $550 just for that add on and it wasn't Retina.


edit: Here is the comparison between the non-Retina and Retina 13' MBPs

13-inch: 2.5GHz
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
4GB 1600MHz memory
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
Intel HD Graphics 4000
Built-in battery (7 hours)
$1,199.00

13-inch: 2.5GHz
with Retina display
2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5
Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
8GB 1600MHz memory
128GB flash storage
Intel HD Graphics 4000
Built-in battery (7 hours)
$1,499.00

$300 more for a Retina IPS display, SSD, and double the RAM, not to mention the weight and size reduction If anything is overpriced it sounds like it's the old style MBPs in comparison to the new.

2) You're completely ignoring the desire for the 13" over the 15" when you call people are fools for getting the smaller machine. This isn't the same as the difference between a small and medium Coke at the movies.

 

 

Like I said it makes more sense at $1500 than $1700. The specs between the old price $1700 13" rMBP and the  $2100 15" rMBP made the 13" a very very bad choice for what you get for youre $. imo it was overprice even for an Apple product.

post #31 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

So, no change to 15" retina prices?

It looks like they dropped the higher model of the old-style 15" MBP on the US site:



This used to be $1,999. Maybe they'll do the same once stocks of the high-end old 13" run out.

The clock speeds seem a little different. I thought the Retina ones all matched the equivalent lower-end models. The top Retina 13" model has a 2.6GHz i5 whereas the top old-style one has a 2.9GHz i7. Still, nice to see a price drop to get these moving.

Hopefully they'll get the 15" ones down to $1999 and $2499 respectively soon, even if the $2499 model has the slower 2.4GHz processor with 512GB storage and have the 2.7GHz as BTO.

The 2.7GHz processor looks like it was BTO before. Here's a refurb of the old one:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/G0MWALL/A

This page suggests there was a $225 charge for it:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1383882

By offering that processor as the default option means you get better specs for the same price rather than a price drop. I think the price drop would have been the better way to go.
post #32 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

This is not a new trend. MacBook Air started off more expensive than it is today, when SSD drives were not as cheap.

Having said that, I do believe the marvels of Retina Display on a laptop are totally under-appreciated. I wish it was available on more Windows laptops, as I need to work on both Windows and Mac OS.

I can think of three ways to run Windows on this Mac off the top of my head.

1. Bootcamp (included, just use a valid Windows license)
2. VMware Fusion
3. Parallels

Bootcamp is the fastest but requires you to reboot to change OS. We use VMware fusion, as well and it provides good performance for productivity apps (it launches a virtual machine like an app)
post #33 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Hmm...must not have been selling as well as they hoped?

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by scott6666 View Post

Frankly, they were overpriced to begin with.  This is just a step to returning them to normal Apple pricing.

 

The price premiums they put in when they first released retina were pretty high.

The 13" model, in particular, was a bit overpriced. If you chose anything but the base configuration, you weren't far off from the price of the 15" Retina. And the 15" Retina is much faster and has a faster video card.

post #34 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichL View Post

I'm waiting for a GPU bump before pulling the trigger on a 15" MBPr. My 2010 MBP is still going strong (mostly thanks to the SSD I upgraded it to).

 

I have the 27" imac with the GTX 680mx.  The imac has roughly the same resolution as the 15" rMBP. You cant squeeze an mx chip into a laptop, but the 680m would have been a nice optionnal upgrade for the 15" rMBP.  

 

That being said, the GT 650m is still a decent GPU, its no high end gaming GPU like the 680mx, but it will run World of warcraft at "good" settings. At this point in time you a better off waiting for the next refresh indeed.

post #35 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by herbapou View Post

Its a very expensive facebook laptop.

That's just ridiculous on all levels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by herbapou View Post


Like I said it makes more sense at $1500 than $1700. The specs between the old price $1700 13" rMBP and the  $2100 15" rMBP made the 13" a very very bad choice for what you get for youre $. imo it was overprice even for an Apple product.

And yet I never would have paid $400 more for a machine that was less portable and less ideal for my needs. If not for my desire to get a new iMac I would have bought a 13" RMBP last year. I've been using iGPUs since i switched from my 12" PB back in 2005(?) and I've never once thought to myself "Gee, I wish TextEdit would render my text faster."

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply

This bot has been removed from circulation due to a malfunctioning morality chip.

Reply
post #36 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


How are those the same? I know that Acer uses an IPS display and AnandTech said it was a great machine, for Acer, but t's not Retina and the MSRP on the Acer is $1650.

How is it not "retina-grade"? 1920x1080 IPS display. List price on the Acer according to Amazon is $1399. 

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-S7-391-6810-13-3-Inch-Touchscreen-Ultrabook/dp/B009H2CL1S

 

You didn't comment at all on the Asus. It's not comparable either?

 

EDIT: Gotcha now Soli. The PPI works out to around 170 I think, whereas it needs to get to about 215ppi for a laptop to be "retina-grade". 

My bad.1smile.gif


Edited by Gatorguy - 2/13/13 at 7:33am
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
melior diabolus quem scies
Reply
post #37 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpf1952 View Post

How about providing a 16 GM RAM option for the 13" rMBP?


What do you run that requires 16 GB? There are very few power apps running on a 13" laptop that can truly make use of that much memory, unless you are running Windows in Parallels.

post #38 of 144
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacCentric View Post


I can think of three ways to run Windows on this Mac off the top of my head.

1. Bootcamp (included, just use a valid Windows license)
2. VMware Fusion
3. Parallels

Bootcamp is the fastest but requires you to reboot to change OS. We use VMware fusion, as well and it provides good performance for productivity apps (it launches a virtual machine like an app)


In some instances, my need is not to run Windows on a Mac. My need is a Windows computer.

post #39 of 144

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like they have cut SSD prices across the board.  For all MBPs and MBAs.

post #40 of 144
Apple usually lowers pricing around 8-12 mo mark on new tech.. Not much to see, processes improve, etc.

I bet they've had a price lowering goal from the start. Once they are able to get them down to same level as current Macbook pricing, I would not be surprised if the old Macbook line goes away all together and they just start selling Retina systems.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Current Mac Hardware
AppleInsider › Forums › Mac Hardware › Current Mac Hardware › Apple updates processors and drops prices of MacBook Pro with Retina Display [u]