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Apple reduced federal lobbying to $2M in 2012

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Apple's lobbying efforts in Washington D.C. were scaled back 13 percent in 2012 to $2 million, a sum below many of the iPhone maker's peers.

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Apple spent less on lobbying than many of its rivals in 2012. Chart via Apple 2.0.


While Apple spent just $1.97 million in federal lobbying dollars during all of the 2012 presidential election year, its rival Google spent more than $18 million, as noted by Philip Elmer-Dewitt of Apple 2.0 on Monday. While Apple spent less last year, Google's lobbying dollars increased by 90 percent year over year.

Other tech companies ahead of Apple on the list were Microsoft ($8.09 million), Hewlett-Packard ($7.22 million), Facebook ($3.99 million), Amazon ($2.5 million), and Dell ($2.39 million).

Apple's lobbying efforts were "spread out pretty thinly over a wide range of issues," Elmer-Dewitt noted, citing the company's LD-2 Disclosure Form from the U.S. House of Representatives. Topics included taxation and the repatriation of profits housed overseas, education and the use of digital textbooks in schools, and the environment and EPEAT standards.

Apple's spending was divided pretty evenly throughout the year, as the company spent around $500,000 per quarter throughout the year. Apple has historically spent less than its rivals on government lobbying, though the Cupertino, Calif., company has previously pushed strongly for an offshore tax holiday that would allow it to bring its overseas cash back to the U.S. at a reduced rate.
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I'm just gonna get ahead of this and move it to PO. Enjoy.

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how much of Google's spending can be attributed as "bribes" to the Congressional Privacy committees and FCC.
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Apple is doomed. Bottom of the heap.

$10 share price drop.

 

/s

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What I have never understood is just how little is spent on lobbying from all these companies. Even Google's 9x lead over Apple with $18 million is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't keep their company's servers powered for a day.

If you're going to lobby and you spend hundreds of millions to billions in advertising, and make many dozens in billions per year in revenue then why not go all in? Why isn't Apple spending $100 million to get iOS in all drones and Rovio trying to make Angry Birds the UI for remote pilots?¡
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Google up 90%? So they were in the same league last year as Apple is now? Why the increase? Huge one at that?
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Google up 90%? So they were in the same league last year as Apple is now? Why the increase? Huge one at that?

 

90% year over year to reach 18 million means last year google spent around 9-10 million.

 

If google spent anywhere near Apple was spending, their jump would have been 900%.

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Google up 90%? So they were in the same league last year as Apple is now? Why the increase? Huge one at that?

 

Buying its way out of anti-trust?

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Google up 90%? So they were in the same league last year as Apple is now? Why the increase? Huge one at that?

90% year over year to reach 18 million means last year google spent around 9-10 million.

If google spent anywhere near Apple was spending, their jump would have been 900%.
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Apple is doomed. Bottom of the heap.
$10 share price drop.

/s
And how did you come to this conclusion, you make no sense, apple is a money printing monster and is far from doom
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And how did you come to this conclusion, you make no sense, apple is a money printing monster and is far from doom

he was being sarcastic 

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With all of the info that Google is collecting stealing from people, I can see why they need to spend so much on lobbying.

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I wonder how much of that is spent by Google in trying to change the patent system so that popular patents become "de-facto" standards, forcing holders of such to license them as standards essential even though they aren't part of any standard and were never "offered" by the patent owner to a standards body.

 

This is what Google thinks should happen to all of Apple's patents related to multitouch and touchscreen UI. I wonder what Google would think if MS/Bing decided since Google search is a "de-facto" standard that they should be forced to let everyone else use their patented software algorithms?

 

What's good for the goose....

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Your funeral, Apple. Just don't cry when the House passes a bill that collects a tax against the sale of non-Android smartphones.

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What percentage of that $18 million was used to fight CISPA/SOPA?

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Your funeral, Apple. Just don't cry when the House passes a bill that collects a tax against the sale of non-Android smartphones.


Hey! It's a real Apple Tax!

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how much of Google's spending can be attributed as "bribes" to the Congressional Privacy committees and FCC.

All lobbying is bribery, they just use that word to make it legal. That is why it costs so much. Politicians only listen to cash, that's why the country is in the mess that it is in. This is regardless of party affiliation.
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Your funeral, Apple. Just don't cry when the House passes a bill that collects a tax against the sale of non-Android smartphones.

How true. No wonder a lot of these patents have been invalidated lately. You have to pay to play.
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All lobbying is bribery, they just use that word to make it legal. That is why it costs so much. Politicians only listen to cash, that's why the country is in the mess that it is in. This is regardless of party affiliation.

Is it? I consider lobbying to be more like persuasion and don't see envelopes or briefcase of cash being exchanged in hotels or late night office meetings. At Apple's $2 million you're talking about a staff of only 13 people being paid an average $120 per year to talk with policy makers. That's even before you consider traditional business expenses. I doubt there aren't some dinners and such being through around help get someone to take the time to listen to you but unless I see some news of actual bribery I can't see how it's in anyway an illegal action or any of these numbers presented here as excessive.

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And how did you come to this conclusion, you make no sense, apple is a money printing monster and is far from doom

You're fairly new so you get a one time pass. /s or ¡ indicates a sarcastic post.
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Apple is doomed. Bottom of the heap.

$10 share price drop.

 

/s

Apple has historically not been very big in spending money on campaigns and lobbying.   They don't need to resort to those tactics like Microsoft, Google and others.

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It would be interesting if AI could tell us what lobbying exactly Google IS spending all this extra money on -- from their LD-2 Disclosure Form (I presume they complete one of these, too). Without this nugget of info, this article only really gives half the story...
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