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Three weeks after Microsoft released Office 365 Home Premium, a subscription-based service that gives Macs, PCs and Windows tablets access to the complete set of Office applications, it was discovered that the Redmond company quietly upped the price of single use Office for Mac copies by as much as 17 percent.

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First spotted by Computerworld, the new pricing structure puts the outdated Microsoft Office for Mac 2011 in the same tier as its newer PC counterpart, Office 2013 for Windows. Also deprecated from the Mac version are multi-license bundles, meaning those interested in purchasing can now only install the software on one device at a time.

The publication proposes that the change was designed to spur sales of Microsoft's newest Office 365 suite, the "Home Premium" version of which includes a complete set of Office applications that can be installed on up to five Macs, PCs, and Windows tablets. To access the cloud-based solution, users pay a yearly subscription of $99.99. Student pricing comes in at a substantially cheaper $79.99 for a four-year subscription to Office 365 University.

Microsoft now charges $140 for the single-license Office for Mac Home & Student and $220 for Office for Mac Home & Business, a respective 17 percent and 10 percent price hike from the previous $120 and $200 price points.

As for the now-extinct multi-license packages, the company once offered a three-license bundle of Office for Mac Home & Student for $150 and a two-license set of Office for Mac Home & Business for $250. Using the new pricing scheme, it would cost $420 to buy three separate licenses of Home & Student and $440 for two Home & Business licenses, representing 180 percent and 76 percent increases from the erstwhile bundles, respectively.

While Microsoft and Apple's respective online stores now reflect the higher prices, Office for Mac 2011 can still be found at the older pricing in both single- and multi-license versions from online retailers like Amazon.
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I hold my nose when I'm forced to open my current version (2008?) and I'll never upgrade to another version.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
…it was discovered that the Redmond company quietly upped the price of single use Office for Mac copies by as much as 17 percent.

 

"What're you gonna do about it? Buy iWork?!"

*six months later*

 

"Sir, they bought iWork."

"…oh."

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post #4 of 71
Perhaps being one step behind all your competitors isn't such a big deal after all. They can simply raise their prices and... well, period.
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Apple should make iWork more complete, and functional to compete with Office Suite, which gets buggier with every release. OpenOffice is not a real competitor for MS Office.

Best bet for Apple might be to make iWork or Pages and Numbers (and Bento/Filemaker) open source and let developers have at it, so these applications can be made real competitors. Apache has shown such a process can work quite well.
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Apple could really put the hammer down if they released new updated versions of Safari and iWork for Mac and Windows. Millions of iDevices... Another MS cash cow that can easily bit the dust.

 

But Apple isn't doing it... Sometimes they seem so retarded. Oh well, they can't be perfect, right? They could just recruit more programmers and focus even more on software. I want an upgrade cycle of at least 7 years for my 13" Air 2011, software plays a big part. C'mon Apple.

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2013 for Windows and 2011 for Mac can still be had for $9.95 from http://www.microsofthup.com if you are fortunate enough to work for a company that participates in this program.

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How Apple can help knee cap Microsoft for the sake of Apple Customers: Release a full-fledged trio in iWorks with truly a professional level spreadsheet and DTP with hooks for services including TeXLive, MatLab, R, Octave and include full support for ODF 1.2 to allow interoperability with LibreOffice through file type support.

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I know a subscription based business model is one of the most desirable models. I actually avoid them as much as possible.

 

I dislike someone going into my checking/credit card acct. and debiting my account automatically. Hate it!

 

That said, I will not have any MS product on my Macs or iOS devices! No thanks, MS.

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...and a licensing change may push Microsoft Office users to Google Docs. 

 

http://siliconangle.com/blog/2013/02/18/single-license-office-2013-will-drive-users-to-google-docs-breaking-analysis/

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I have spent the last year moving pc companies to mac, they now use open office as they realised (I pointed out ) they just type letters and all the extra functions in office was never used the pr guys used keynote as they found it better than PowerPoint the accounts well they were happy with open office
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Apple should make iWork more complete, and functional to compete with Office Suite, which gets buggier with every release. OpenOffice is not a real competitor for MS Office.

Best bet for Apple might be to make iWork or Pages and Numbers (and Bento/Filemaker) open source and let developers have at it, so these applications can be made real competitors. Apache has shown such a process can work quite well.

 

Agree about iWork needing some work, mainly Numbers still has a few glaring gaps, some as simple as text rotation in cells (which is the number one feature I have to go to Excel for).

 

Using Apache as an example for a successful Open Source project? I can't agree on that. Apache is an expert tool and as user-unfriendly as possible, not exactly something an office suite can get away with. If there is no high usability and a polished design, it will not be used. And I do not know a single Open Source project that managed to come up with a compelling GUI (OK, some online toolsets like WordPress look OKish, but they are not really conventional end user applications either). Just look at OpenOffice... it certainly has 100% of the functionality 99% of users will ever need. It simply does not attract enough people to become relevant.

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2013 for Windows and 2011 for Mac can still be had for $9.95 from http://www.microsofthup.com if you are fortunate enough to work for a company that participates in this program.

 

and it's probably a freebie if you're an executive at Microsoft...

 

Do you have any offers for the majority of users not fortunate enough to work amongst the select companies?

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I have spent the last year moving pc companies to mac, they now use open office as they realised (I pointed out ) they just type letters and all the extra functions in office was never used the pr guys used keynote as they found it better than PowerPoint the accounts well they were happy with open office
Enough said

Yeah, the office suite apps were more or less mature years ago, and now Microsoft spends millions rearranging functions on the Ribbon so you can't find them, and their corporate customers have to upgrade then spend money retraining their work force. It's a racket.

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I love it. As Microsoft raises prices and limits licenses for Mac users, head-in-the-clouds Apple has let the Mac edition of iWork languish for more than 3 years without any appreciable update. Way to protect the Mac market, Apple! Maybe you should give up on Safari, too, so we can be at Microsoft's mercy even more. I really loved those days when Internet Explorer was the only game in town.

If Apple had any sense, it would have contined to improve iWork so it could be a credible alternative to Office. But what business or consumer would put their dollars behind a semi-dead product like the Mac version of Iwork? And so iWorks fate appears to be sealed.

Really, Tim Cook, is this the best you can do?? I'm so unimpressed.
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Microsoft's answer to making their quarterly numbers.........  Raise prices of what most people use and NEED.  WIndows prices just got raised, now it's Office.

 

I think $100 a year is ridiculous for someone with only computer.  $25 a year, I wouldn't have a problem paying $25 a year for one yearly subscription to use Office and to always get upgrades for whatever computer I'm using.  but $100?  F that.

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Originally Posted by k2director View Post
I love it. As Microsoft raises prices and limits licenses for Mac users, head-in-the-clouds Apple has let the Mac edition of iWork languish for more than 3 years without any appreciable update. Way to protect the Mac market, Apple! Maybe you should give up on Safari, too, so we can be at Microsoft's mercy even more. I really loved those days when Internet Explorer was the only game in town.

If Apple had any sense, it would have contined to improve iWork so it could be a credible alternative to Office. But what business or consumer would put their dollars behind a semi-dead product like the Mac version of Iwork? And so iWorks fate appears to be sealed.

Really, Tim Cook, is this the best you can do?? I'm so unimpressed.

 

Oh, yeah. The forums are RE~ALLY a lot better when we let these posts go undeleted.

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I have not installed any version of Microsoft Office on my mac in years, I rely on Google Docs and iWork for everything and am quite satisfied with both. Yet I do have to agree that Apple is being lazy when it comes to iWork, seriously it's been three years since they actually updated it (iCloud + retina suport are just minor things), what are they thinking?

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Over the years I've been bemused and to a degree, disappointed with the obsession with the Microsoft Office Suite.

 

I hope that people are slowly waking up to the fact that you don't need the full Microsoft Office suite to type up most letters and documents, just as you don't need Internet Explorer to view web pages.

 

 

I can recall the very first Excel and Word release, it was created for the then new Apple Macintosh, only later did they migrate to DOS and Windows.

The fact that Microsoft allowed applications it created originally for the Mac to now lag behind its Windows counterpart is most revealing.

 

I hope, with iWorks, Mariner, open-source and online Office suites, that we will are returning to the days of a healthy choice of useful office apps.

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Open Office is fine for home use. To be honest it would do everything I need to do at work too.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

"What're you gonna do about it? Buy iWork?!"

*six months later*

 

"Sir, they bought iWork."

"…oh."

 

Given enterprise adoption of ipads, it's possible that Apple would really benefit from a strong office suite.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

The publication proposes that the change was designed to spur sales of Microsoft's newest Office 365 suite, the "Home Premium" version ...

 

Microsoft can't "pull" customers in.  That would require products that appeal to customers.  A concept totally foreign to Microsoft's marketing department.  Because, for decades, Microsoft's marketing consisted of two tactics: forcing PC manufacturers to sign licensing contracts that require them to pay Microsoft for all all PCs sold (even the ones without Windows installed), and crushing smaller / younger / more vulnerable companies before they are able compete against Microsoft.  

 

Nothing about "customer" or "appeal" in either of those tactics.  Can't "pull."  So they "push" just like always.

 


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To access the cloud-based solution, users pay a yearly subscription of $99.99. Student pricing comes in at a substantially cheaper $79.99 for a four-year subscription to Office 365 University.
 

Microsoft: "Aha!  That's it!  That's how we can generate yearly income from Office even if nobody wants to upgrade.  It'll just drop dead after a year unless they pay us.  That way, we get $1000 in ten years instead of an initial purchase and maybe one or two upgrades in ten years.  And besides, there's just no way we could do a major update every year anyway.  That would require, like, engineering.  Or something really hard like that."

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post #23 of 71

Buahahahahaha! For all but a few people who need Office for it's in-depth feature set, Office is unnecessary for 90% of the people that have it.

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Google Docs was real threat to MS Office.

This was a stupid move, but Im not sure what other choice they had. Office is MS cash cow. They can't compete on price with Google or iWork, so they have to push their customer base towards their subscription model whether they like it or not, and they won't.

Compete with free or piss your customers off. Sounds like a lose / lose scenario.
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2013 will be the year we look back and realize Microsoft went full-tard on pricing. The Surface Pro and Office.

 

This is a huge opportunity for Apple. Personally I find Numbers clunky but I love Pages. I wish Apple hadn't gone 3 years between updates.

 

Now's the time to put some polish on these apps and remember that people would love to have a seamless experience between their desktop and mobile hardware.

 

Also add some group sharing functionality to the Apps. I'm a buyer now. I'd be a rabid buyer then.

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Apple could really put the hammer down if they released new updated versions of Safari and iWork for Mac and Windows. Millions of iDevices... Another MS cash cow that can easily bit the dust.

 

But Apple isn't doing it... Sometimes they seem so retarded. Oh well, they can't be perfect, right? They could just recruit more programmers and focus even more on software. I want an upgrade cycle of at least 7 years for my 13" Air 2011, software plays a big part. C'mon Apple.

Are you saying you want to keep using the same Mac Book Air for the next 7 years?

 

I doubt any computer company wants a customer who only gives them money once every 7 years and expects support for their increasingly obsolete stuff in between. People like that are more trouble than they're worth.

 

 

I think this article should have been titled "Microsoft raises Office for Mac 2011 prices - Pushes customers toward alternatives from other vendors".

 

Office 365 is a dream product for Microsoft: ongoing revenue, zero piracy and the ability to mine customers data for information they can sell. Google thinks customer data is so valuable and profitable that they offer Google Docs for free. Microsoft wants their piece of that pie and thinks people will pay for the privilege of being exploited if it looks like they're getting more stuff for free.

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Office 365 is a dream product for Microsoft: ongoing revenue, zero piracy and the ability to mine customers data for information they can sell. Google thinks customer data is so valuable and profitable that they offer Google Docs for free. Microsoft wants their piece of that pie and thinks people will pay for the privilege of being exploited if it looks like they're getting more stuff for free.

 

Well, I have nothing positive to say about MS for sure. But so far their track record in protecting user privacy is certainly respectable. They have a lot of big corporate, educational and government clients. One single indication of them exploiting Office cloud data (user content) would do irreparable damage. FWIW, I consider Apple and MS (and likely Amazon) to be the safer places when it comes to storing content online.

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Apple could really put the hammer down if they released new updated versions of Safari and iWork for Mac and Windows. Millions of iDevices... Another MS cash cow that can easily bit the dust.

 

But Apple isn't doing it... Sometimes they seem so retarded. Oh well, they can't be perfect, right? They could just recruit more programmers and focus even more on software. I want an upgrade cycle of at least 7 years for my 13" Air 2011, software plays a big part. C'mon Apple.


Apple isn't forcing you to upgrade. I had my imac for 7 years and the main reason i'll get a new iMac soon is because it died. Apple is a hardware company.

post #29 of 71
Looks like Office 2011 will be the last version of Office I'll ever own. That matters little. For writing, I use Scrivener. For formatting I use InDesign. I have no need for a word processor that does both badly.
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To make matters worse, even if you're using Office 2011, they install Office 365 (as of the last upgrade). Although I use 2011, I regularly get a message that "Office365 has encountered an error and must quit". Fine with me - I never wanted Office 365 running, anyway. I've also noticed that Office is eating RAM like crazy-which it didn't used to do.
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I want to be able to ditch Word and Excel for Pages and Numbers. I wish Apple would apply major pressure here over the next two years.

Word and Excel are capable but make everything unnecessarily complicated. You only have to view invisible formatting marks on your colleagues documents to see that most users don't understand how to manage basic things like alignment or use of font styles. This is because the software does an appalling job of teaching users how to use it. the help menu is completely laughable. There is a whole industry of third party websites answering basic questions like "how do I combine two text strings in excel?".

There is a huge opportunity here for Apple to drive adoption of the mac in enterprise but producing an office suite that is capable, supports efficient workflows and is easy to use. If they can take Word/Excel off the table as a de-facto standard then windows will fall soon thereafter.
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From a Graphic Design point of view you want a laugh ?

Bring in a word doc or anything from office into Illustrator or freehand or whatever your using. Switch to key line have a look at how these apps draw a border or underline. Truly, truly pathetic.

Even M$ supposedly err, professional Publisher did that.

Epic fail.

 

Im guessing nothing will have changed in office 2011

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I want this to come off as a non-nasty response.  So, please take it that way.

 

Can someone explain to me -- a non-office worker -- what the value of Office is?  That's all I want to know.

 

Thanks.

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And just when I though MS had gotten their act together. I have been developing VBA code in Excel on a Mac for mostly Windows users. And Office for Mac 2011 or is it Office 2001 for Mac? actually works. the only issue I have run into so far (since I do not use ActiveX) is that certain graphics do not render the same on both platforms which makes the Mac version look a bit skewed and required that I write two versions of a custom dialog so that it would not be all gorked out on one platform or the other.

OpenOffice can be good for light users. But could be way better.

Google Docs may be another option but with its own suite of issues.

A coherent - integrated - office suite natively from Apple could do very well I think. Then again despite having them installed I cannot recall the last time I used them. I have been a Mac user for many years but was forced to use Windows at work the past 15 years - and some habits are hard to break. Although my use of Windows for work is now limited to a few programs running in a VM on a Mac so that progress at least - and I have been using Mac Mail at work for a year now - but still Word, Excel, and PowerPoint (for Mac) - Excel is the only Windows version I still use and only for validating my code - and it is used by a couple programs to write their output.
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I have been using Pages/Numbers/Keynote since 2008 (almost) exclusively. I consider myself a sophisticated user and have never come across a time where iWork couldn't do what I needed to do.  OK, maybe if iWork had better equation support, that'd be nice, but I am really at a loss what more I want it do to.

 

I sometimes have to work with Office 2013 and it's not a pretty affair. The whole ribbon interface is a disaster. Granted, one could make beautiful documents in MS Word or Pages or even ClarisWorks, but I will argue its whole alot more pleasant and easier with Pages. 

 

Isnt it amusing what type of documents 90% of consumers make with Word? ALL CAPS with whole spacing between lines with the odd clipart. That may be an exageration, but you know what I mean. Man, people have no sense of typography, style, spacing, .....  I better stop this rant before I go on. :)

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I want this to come off as a non-nasty response.  So, please take it that way.

 

Can someone explain to me -- a non-office worker -- what the value of Office is?  That's all I want to know.

 

Thanks.

It's a mature suite of apps that millions of people use.

It has shortcomings - as noted above.

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Apple isn't forcing you to upgrade. I had my imac for 7 years and the main reason i'll get a new iMac soon is because it died. Apple is a hardware company.

with the best desktop OS (OSX, better than every other OS),

the best mobile OS (iOS, there's no possible discussion here),

The best video edition application (final cut),

the best (?) photo editing application (aperture),

an amazing Office suite (the BEST suite for 99,99% of users, even if they do not realize that. Much more user friendly and capable for great beautiful docs, especially keynote),

the best browser (speed, looks, gestures,etc) (safari),

the best digital store/ecosystem/media player (iTunes),

the best audio editing software (logic),

the best cloud solution (iCloud),

etc

 

When a hardware company manages to be by far the best software company in the world, well...

 

My problem is that Apple has everything (talent, resources) to make an even better desktop OS. Mountain Lion is the best desktop OS out there, but I'm sure it could be even better if they fixed some bugs.

 

God, I just love my macbook air. iT's just perfect. I have it since 2011 september, i will never buy another computing device again!! (exaggeration, but i just love this machine.)


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with the best desktop OS,
the best mobile OS,
The best video edition application,
the best (?) photo editing application,
an amazing Office suite,
the best browser (speed, looks, gestures,etc),
the best digital store/ecosystem/media player,
the best audio editing software,
the best cloud solution,
etc

When a hardware company manages to be by far the best software company in the world, well...

My problem is that Apple has everything (talent, resources) to make an even better desktop OS. Mountain Lion is the best desktop OS out there, but I'm sure it could be even better if they fixed some bugs.

God, I just love my macbook air. iT's just perfect. I have it since 2011 september, i will never buy another computing device again!! (exaggeration, but i just love this machine.)

Software sells hardware. They haven't stopped with 10.8. They are constantly improving the OS.
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Software sells hardware. They haven't stopped with 10.8. They are constantly improving the OS.

No. Apple sells products. They don't sell "hardware" or "software". They sell the best computing devices. The device itself is what matters.

 

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