Good. I just wanted to check on the double standard, which it appears you don't have.
It was over at MacRumors where I talked about it:
I hope you jump ship and buy this phone to see how "awesome" that ppi will be for you, battery wise. Remember this is HTC with Sense UI on a quadcore phone with that ppi, and guess what, a 2300mAh battery. Nice.
The performance gap is no longer what you seem to think it is. We're not talking about Gingerbread here. And considering this phone is made from the same two materials as the iPhone, but with arguably better speakers and image sensor, I don't think this is the phone to choose to rag on build quality.
The performance gap was never as big as it is now.
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Apple is way ahead of Android when it comes to performance per unit of power used, but I think pedro was referring to a pure performance gap, which is now small compared to where it was in Gingerbread and older versions. I'm curious if you agree about the performance gap decrease.
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If you check anandtech's benchmarks, you will realize that CPU vs CPU, the dual 1.2 ghz a6 is as fast as the S3 QUAD. See? this never happened before, CPU vs CPU the S2 was much faster than the 4 and even the 4S.
But then you realize something... iOS is optimized and "native", no java BS emulation there, and this is why iPhones were always faster even with half the horse power of other phones. Them, you see the next benchmarks. What do we get?
- We get that the iPhone absolutely murders any highend Android phone on every single benchmark, especially those related to REAL USE. (the motorola and others with the intel processor faster at one or 2 tests, but fail on everything else).
I'm talking about being twice as fast as the fastest android phone on some benchmarks. This never happened before. And then you have to think about native apps written FOR iOS. Android has 0 of that, the difference is huge.
But wait... You know that most animations are handled by the GPU. So you are going to brag about it. Bad choice. This is where the hammer goes down on trolls...
The iPhone 5 has 2.5x more powerful GPU than the most powerful android phone.
This on a thinner, lighter phone, with better screen camera and build quality, not to mention ecosystem.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp
Again, the difference between phones (especially hardware: build quality, performance, camera, etc) was never as big as it is know. Of course, uninformed trolls and shills like to think apple is behind the curve. they are saying that since 2007 (phones), but after looking at facts.... Oh boy.
There is a difference between build quality and build materials.
What you are arguing about is build materials, NOT build quality.
Samsung has excellent build quality. The build materials, on the other hand, could be debatable.
"Like I said before, share price will dip into the $400." - 11/21/12 by Galbi
"Like I said before, share price will dip into the $400." - 11/21/12 by Galbi
FWIW - as an Android user for almost 2 years after iOS for 3 before that - I do not care about specs, benchmarks, etc. The Nexus 4 is really fast, no lag, etc. I chose Android b/c of the OS features, customizations, Google services, choice of core apps, no iTunes needed, a real file browser, not locked down apps, etc. Plus soon I can get an unlimited prepaid plan for about $50. And it works great with my Macs. So you can debate benchmarks, processors, etc but I feel the strength of Android is in the OS compared to iOS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N9A8NnBbW_A
No, it doesn't "look just like an iPhone" IMHO. That's unless you think because it's uses some aluminum it's a knockoff. In that case, yeah, it's a dead-on copy.
Anything with a rectangular screen with a touch screen interface is regarded as a "copy" by Apple fans.
What gives?
Well of course! You have to do something to keep the battery life above 30 minutes. That doesn't mean it gets better battery life.
Multi-core processors splits the tasks into smaller chunks. Each core (lets say 4 cores) takes on 25% of the total load. After the 25% load is done, they go into hibernation mode, thus saving battery. Each core processor does not have to use all of its power to do the work, generating less heat and less resistance.
A single core or dual core processor, uses 100% (single core) and 50% (dual core) before going into hibernation. The less time spent on doing the tasks and the more time it is in hibernation, the less power consumption.
That is how you get better battery life.
Apple is moving to multi-core processor in the next iPhone anyway. Will you start appreciating the benefit after that happens? Most likely will.
"Like I said before, share price will dip into the $400." - 11/21/12 by Galbi
"Like I said before, share price will dip into the $400." - 11/21/12 by Galbi
Samsung sells more than just very high end phones, or very low end phones.
They also have a mid range set of phones with screens like the pre-retina iPhones, but with a faster CPU and sometimes even LTE. Definitely not "crap".
So perhaps more like 1/3 high end, 1/3 mid range and 1/3 low end?
Oh, ok, why don't you educate yourself then?
If you check anandtech's benchmarks, you will realize that CPU vs CPU, the dual 1.2 ghz a6 is as fast as the S3 QUAD. See? this never happened before, CPU vs CPU the S2 was much faster than the 4 and even the 4S.
But then you realize something... iOS is optimized and "native", no java BS emulation there, and this is why iPhones were always faster even with half the horse power of other phones. Them, you see the next benchmarks. What do we get?
- We get that the iPhone absolutely murders any highend Android phone on every single benchmark, especially those related to REAL USE. (the motorola and others with the intel processor faster at one or 2 tests, but fail on everything else).
I'm talking about being twice as fast as the fastest android phone on some benchmarks. This never happened before.
And then you have to think about native apps written FOR iOS. Android has 0 of that, the difference is huge.
But wait... You know that most animations are handled by the GPU. So you are going to brag about it. Bad choice. This is where the hammer goes down on trolls...
The iPhone 5 has 2.5x more powerful GPU than the most powerful android phone.
This on a thinner, lighter phone, with better screen camera and build quality, not to mention ecosystem.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp
Again, the difference between phones (especially hardware: build quality, performance, camera, etc) was never as big as it is know. Of course, uninformed trolls and shills like to think apple is behind the curve. they are saying that since 2007 (phones), but after looking at facts.... Oh boy.
Oh man, where do I even start with this one? First let's clear up the troll/shill thing. I'm neither. Let's drop the name-calling, right Tallest? And drop the derisive tone, please.
Now let me move on to the part of your argument where you changed everything that you argued before. In your previous post, you claim a litany of the iPhone's well-known optimizations, saying in part, "Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed..." You're clearly referring to Apple's UI optimization (performance), something of which Android always has been and still is at a deficit in comparison to the iPhone. I replied that the gap in performance is now narrower than ever. You then replied that the gap is greater than ever, implying that Apple's lead has increased now over a past gap where the iPhone's lead was narrower.
In the reply I quoted for this post, you began by arguing that Android was actually the performance leader until the iPhone 5 and then cited benchmark scores. As an aside, I would like to point out that benchmarks have never been a viable means of making a point on this forum. Anyway, you changed your argument from the iPhone being the perennial leader with a now larger performance lead to the iPhone being the perennial loser that has now taken the lead from perennial performance leader Android. Which is it?
Finally, as far as GPU power is concerned, Apple has always had a commanding lead there because it has been one of their focuses. It's a large part of the reason for their buttery frame rates. And again, let's talk about build quality some other day when the phone in question is not better built than the iPhone.
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Getting rid of the home button is the stupidest thing Apple could do. It's the MOST ICONIC part of their devices, and more importantly, the home button serves an extremely important function for the non-technically inclined- they KNOW that wherever the hell they are, it's an exist button that will get back to the home screen. Android has no equivalent, obvious, intuitive mechanism like that.
Android has a home button. it does everything you just said
Last I checked, they have a "Back" button, which is the hardware equivalent of Apple's software back button and only takes you back one step.
But last I checked, we were a ways back in candy names. Gingerbread, I think it was. And now we're on Jelly Bean? What was H? Oh, Honeycomb, right; that was tablet only, yeah? What version number was Gingerbread?
Last I checked, they have a "Back" button, which is the hardware equivalent of Apple's software back button and only takes you back one step.
But last I checked, we were a ways back in candy names. Gingerbread, I think it was. And now we're on Jelly Bean? What was H? Oh, Honeycomb, right; that was tablet only, yeah? What version number was Gingerbread?
Ugh... not sure what you meant by the back button. But yes android does have a back button...Its generally right next to the home button.
Yes android uses code names for its major releases. I have never seen any large company do something like this. By the way what version is OS Mountain Lion what is going to be the next one?
I am honestly hopping for Ocelot (vague archer reference)
Last I checked, they have a "Back" button, which is the hardware equivalent of Apple's software back button and only takes you back one step.
But last I checked, we were a ways back in candy names. Gingerbread, I think it was. And now we're on Jelly Bean? What was H? Oh, Honeycomb, right; that was tablet only, yeah? What version number was Gingerbread?
Of course it has a home button! It always has. See my screenshot. Back, home, multitasking.
You guys are pathetic. You keep on throwing out this red herring about the crap phones.
I'm talking about the quality phones. do you really think that Tim Cook is happy that 35-40 million top quality phones per quarter are being sold by competitors?
If your answer is "yes", then I call bullshit.
Another red herring line of bullshit.
Not everyone who buys an Android phone hates Apple. Some people really do want a bigger phone... and it's not out of Apple's purview. Why does a bigger phone always seem to translate as a crap phone to some people.
The answer you gave above is the same crap I heard when rumors about a smaller iPad starting coming online.
Oh man, where do I even start with this one? First let's clear up the troll/shill thing. I'm neither. Let's drop the name-calling, right Tallest? And drop the derisive tone, please.
Now let me move on to the part of your argument where you changed everything that you argued before. In your previous post, you claim a litany of the iPhone's well-known optimizations, saying in part, "Will someone be able to lose so much power, UI speed..." You're clearly referring to Apple's UI optimization (performance), something of which Android always has been and still is at a deficit in comparison to the iPhone. I replied that the gap in performance is now narrower than ever. You then replied that the gap is greater than ever, implying that Apple's lead has increased now over a past gap where the iPhone's lead was narrower.
In the reply I quoted for this post, you began by arguing that Android was actually the performance leader until the iPhone 5 and then cited benchmark scores. As an aside, I would like to point out that benchmarks have never been a viable means of making a point on this forum. Anyway, you changed your argument from the iPhone being the perennial leader with a now larger performance lead to the iPhone being the perennial loser that has now taken the lead from perennial performance leader Android. Which is it?
Finally, as far as GPU power is concerned, Apple has always had a commanding lead there because it has been one of their focuses. It's a large part of the reason for their buttery frame rates. And again, let's talk about build quality some other day when the phone in question is not better built than the iPhone.
Ok. Looks like you couldn't read the part where I said that iPhones were always much faster because of iOS optimizations, even with half the cpu power. I never said that android was the performance leader, far from it. That's java after all.
Then I think you missed this part: The new iPhone's GPU beats the mali used on the S3 by a factor of 3 on some tests.
Of course, just because android reached 2007 level of iOS smoothness you like to talk as if performance (UI speed) is equal now... It isn't. Like I said, the gap got bigger.
Better build quality than the iPhone? If you are drunk, yes.
It definitely ups the ante.
Apple, are you listening.
Bottom line...The link below is why Apple doesn't need to listen to anyone, especially its competition. I think they know what they're doing. You're not running Apple for a damn good reason. This new "wonderful" HTC phone isn't going to put even the hint of a dent in Apple's iPhone sales. The only thing it may hurt are other android phones.
Mac Mini (Mid 2011) 2.5 GHz Core i5
120 GB SSD/500 GB HD/8 GB RAM
AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB
Mac Mini (Mid 2011) 2.5 GHz Core i5
120 GB SSD/500 GB HD/8 GB RAM
AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB
