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It definitely ups the ante.

 

Apple, are you listening.
 

 

Why does Apple need to listen? Is the iPhone 5 really that ugly? Its only the best selling phone for them....ever! They already outsold everyone last quarter. I think HTC, Samsung, etc need to listen and create a better user experience. People who are buying a phone based off its specs are just fanboys who want to brag....the same people who buy/build this overpriced computer just so they can brag about it. In the end, its no different from anything else as far as the user experience. This is what matters most, not the specs of a phone. You could have the prettiest phone in the world, but if its a pain in the ass to use and just plain sucks software wise then all the design doesn't matter. 

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It's sure that from a design pov, Apple has nothing to fear, since all those new designs are clearly inspired by it. I'm just waiting to see the next GS4 that'll probably have that three parts back.
 

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You forgot to add that these aren't claims made by Apple, but by many a poster.

 

That was my point. He made a Apple fanboy statement, and I countered with previous Apple fanboy comments with regards to features that Apple phones didn't have at the time (compared to the competition), but later arrived.

 

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Spec-swinging. It's like what, the second phone that is 1080p? Is it worth sacrificing something like frame rate for something that's of negligible visual improvement? For best user experience, it's better to to straggle the pack than keep up with a spec of dubious value.

 

The upcoming Galaxy S IV will likely have a 1080p display (actually, it's pretty much a given), and it's the smartphone that most directly competes with the iPhone as far as sales go. Other 1080p smartphones that have been announced:

 

 

Sony Xperia Z and Xperia ZL
Lenovo K900
LG Optimus Pro
Huawei Ascend D2
HTC Butterfly
ZTE Grand S
 
I just find it sad that people will bitch about advancing the technology in products we use everyday. 
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Why does Apple need to listen? Is the iPhone 5 really that ugly? Its only the best selling phone for them....ever! They already outsold everyone last quarter. I think HTC, Samsung, etc need to listen and create a better user experience. People who are buying a phone based off its specs are just fanboys who want to brag....the same people who buy/build this overpriced computer just so they can brag about it. In the end, its no different from anything else as far as the user experience. This is what matters most, not the specs of a phone. You could have the prettiest phone in the world, but if its a pain in the ass to use and just plain sucks software wise then all the design doesn't matter. 

 

... and Apple is losing sales to these phones. So you are saying that Apple doesn't want those sales?

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Smartphone design used to be very utilitarian before 2007. Palm Treo and that BlackBerry, and of course Windows Mobile bricks. What happened? /s

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I like the speakers. Wonder how they sound in reality. Also, I wonder how good the speakerphone quality is. After all, it's still a phone. And I agree with the other comments about the power requirements of the processor. How long will the battery last? Inquiring minds want to know.
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#1. That you can't see that it is a nice looking phone does not surprise me.

 

#2. Spec whores? This phone has more going for it than just specs. Refer to #1.

 

Sure, its nice looking but how pretty it is isn't everything. People aren't necessarily buying a phone just because it looks nice. You focus on all the wrong things. 

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has anyone here who is putting down the Android UI or workflow ever used a recent Android device? Android is more interesting and capable than iOS which I feel is so simple so it can appeal to anyone but not necessarily the tech inclined. I had an iphone from launch until about a year and a half ago and I would never go back. I don't care about specs, but its nice to know there are options other than one phone. when I pick up my wife's iphone I feel like I'm transplanted right back to 2007- that home button has to go especially. 

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... and Apple is losing sales to these phones. So you are saying that Apple doesn't want those sales?

 

Judging on Apple's last quarter sales, they aren't losing much. Apple can't be everything to everyone and the day it starts trying to be is the day it begins its slow death. 

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has anyone here who is putting down the Android UI or workflow ever used a recent Android device? Android is more interesting and capable than iOS which I feel is so simple so it can appeal to anyone but not necessarily the tech inclined. I had an iphone from launch until about a year and a half ago and I would never go back. I don't care about specs, but its nice to know there are options other than one phone. when I pick up my wife's iphone I feel like I'm transplanted right back to 2007- that home button has to go especially. 

 

And lets not forget about all the quality Android apps out there. /sarcasm

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what's wrong with them? I have no trouble finding what I need. just use your brain when downloading something and it's all ok.

File Expert and Airdroid are 2 great apps iOS will never have - and of course Google Now is amazing. 

Plus I do not have to use iTunes anymore.

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I just find it sad that people will bitch about advancing the technology in products we use everyday.

No, this one is clearly for spec lemmings.

I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.
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So is this a Galaxy S4 killer?

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what's wrong with them? I have no trouble finding what I need. just use your brain when downloading something and it's all ok.

File Expert and Airdroid are 2 great apps iOS will never have - and of course Google Now is amazing. 

Plus I do not have to use iTunes anymore.

 

Well la-te-da...You found 2 great apps for Android. Yay! Nobody has to use iTunes anymore. iPhones aren't tied to iTunes. 

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Sure, its nice looking but how pretty it is isn't everything. People aren't necessarily buying a phone just because it looks nice. You focus on all the wrong things. 

You'd be surprised how many people do indeed buy a phone because of it's looks.
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. when I pick up my wife's iphone I feel like I'm transplanted right back to 2007- that home button has to go especially. 

Don't Androids have a home button? I guess you like the soft keys. Those remind me of my old flip phone.
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has anyone here who is putting down the Android UI or workflow ever used a recent Android device? Android is more interesting and capable than iOS which I feel is so simple so it can appeal to anyone but not necessarily the tech inclined. I had an iphone from launch until about a year and a half ago and I would never go back. I don't care about specs, but its nice to know there are options other than one phone. when I pick up my wife's iphone I feel like I'm transplanted right back to 2007- that home button has to go especially. 

 

Getting rid of the home button is the stupidest thing Apple could do. It's the MOST ICONIC part of their devices, and more importantly, the home button serves an extremely important function for the non-technically inclined- they KNOW that wherever the hell they are, it's an exist button that will get back to the home screen. Android has no equivalent, obvious, intuitive mechanism like that. 

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I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.

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Looks good. I'd prefer it with stock Android, and not the Sense UI crapped baked on though -- but I'm sure that the enthusiast community will have an answer for that quickly.

 

I've been with Apple since the iPhone 3GS (I've since bought a 4, 4S, 5, and countless other Apple devices), but I may consider jumping ship for a large screen 1080p Android phone if Apple doesn't answer with their own.

You watch 1080p video on the screen this small? How far your phone from your eyes? 3 inches?

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-Slurpy

 

my point is that iOS users need that reassuring home button more than others.

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You forgot to add that these aren't claims made by Apple, but by many a poster.

You forgot to add that those comments were made by irrational posters or the comments were taken out of context. Case in point, waiting for LTE until it's ready for a mobile device without using an excessive amount of the battery life when on and not being such a large chip that the battery capacity has to be reduced to include it. Apple's iPhone 5 gets about the same life with '3G' or '4G' which makes it an ideal inclusion unless the LTE-capable phones that just had to beat others to the market 2 years earlier.

I'd have addressed this post to the OP but it's clear Mazda 3s doesn't have the capacity to see past a spec sheet item so if I said "Apple shouldn't do LTE yet" back in 2010 he'll have read it as "Apple should never do LTE. '3G' is as fast as anyone will ever need."

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I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.

 

I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful. 

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I think the biggest mistake Apple is making is trying to be the same Apple that they were when Steve Jobs was running the show. They won't be nearly as successful at it. We are seeing the first stages of that now.

I agree: who needs product vision? Apple needs to chase competitors, so investor can keep inflating Apple stock. One more squeeze before dumping AAPL. /s

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... and Apple is losing sales to these phones. So you are saying that Apple doesn't want those sales?

No one ever said Apple doesn't want more sales.

It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.

As for this particular phone? It looks fine and the specs are certainly good. We'll just have to wait to see how it actually works and how the build quality is. There are already examples of the A6 outperforming quad core CPUs, so there's more to performance than the number of cores. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the 2 GB of RAM helps performance more than the extra cores. It's likely to eat power like crazy, though. I hope they put a big battery in it.
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I've had 3 Android phones...never again. All 3 with different flavors of Android. I wasn't impressed with any of them. One of them actually was a Nexus phone. I always keep going back to the iPhone. Not because I'm a fanboy, but because I think its just a better overall experience from the ground up. Android is much like using Windows vs OS X in my opinion. They're trying to be everything to everyone and you can't do that and continuously be successful. 

I've never used a Windows computer in my life - 15 years in the photography world, so I wouldn't know. But then again I am holding on to Snow Leopard on my main computers until they fall apart. The thing with Android 4.1 or .2 - is you can make it whatever you like. If I don't like something - I can change it. Change default apps, change launchers. Just like OSX.

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I must say the phone looks nice, except for the stupid beats audio branding.  But I think you'd have to be blind not to see the iPhone influences with the aluminum and polished chamfered edges.  I think I might be bummed though if I bought a OneX on contract as tha was only released last year.  That's why I don't mind that Apple doesn't redesign their phone every year.

 

I hope HTC does well with this phone because Samsung needs some competition in the Android space.

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I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.

I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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No, this one is clearly for spec lemmings.

I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.

 

And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?

 

I guess my point is, if 1080p is overkill, then what do you suggest the resolution of this 4.7" smartphone should be?

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Very cute.  But it reminds me of an old saying:

 

"Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse."

- Anon

 

HTC is doing all three, trying to compete against Apple and Samsung.

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I had an Android phone. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

which one? alot of them were crap, like my LG G2X. I would only consider the HTC One series if I didn't get a Nexus. It does take alittle effort to learn it if you've never use one before.

 

and I never considered Samsung b/c its too much like an iphone - something i don't want anymore.

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
#1. That you can't see that it is a nice looking phone…

 

Thanks for pretending I cared or said anything at all either way about how it looks. 


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And when Apple releases a higher rez screen than 1136x640 (you don't actually think that Apple is going to stick with ONLY this resolution for the foreseeable future, do you), then what? All of a sudden a higher resolution screen is OK?

 

IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.

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No one ever said Apple doesn't want more sales.

It's just that Apple's smart enough to realize that if you have to sacrifice your brand in order to increase sales, it may be a losing proposition. Apple makes 'insanely great' products and is not going to abandon that in order to sell a few more phones. They don't expect 100% market share.

 

Yes, my point exactly! 

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I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:

 

 

So are the white strips on the back plastic?  Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).

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No, this one is clearly for spec lemmings.

I'm not convinced you understand this is beyond most people's ability to see, without any benefits for doing so. It's not a useful advance if no one can see the difference without a magnifying glass.

Maybe it's an age thing.  I can see pixels on an iPhone, but I can't see them on the DNA, which is the only 1080P phone I've played with.

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I wonder if Jony Ive and team have a laugh when they see things like this:

 

So are the white strips on the back plastic?  Because the Verge hands on review said the white plastic bits were already getting dirty (something the One X suffered from).

 

My first reaction when seeing the Iphone5  2-tone back was that they'd taken this specific design cue from HTC which has been doing these 2-tone designs for a couple of generations (one of the reason I did not like them)

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IF Apple ever releases a higher resolution screen, they will have been ready for it, and it won't sacrifice anything in the usability department.

 

But that's not the point that I was responding to. The other posters were saying that 468ppi was overkill. And there lies the rub, there's no question that Apple will release a higher resolution display at some point. The current iPhone 5 is 326ppi, this is 468ppi. At what point does the increased ppi not become "overkill"? 375ppi, 400ppi?

 

As for being "ready":

 

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If there is one thing that we can take away from the New Sense experience, it's that it's fast. The One is powered by the new Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core processor clocked at 1.7GHz and paired with 2GB of RAM. The interface was fast and fluid in our experience, and though we didn't get to fully benchmark and stress test the One, we don't think that there will be many performance complaints with it.

 

1.7GHz quad-core and 2GB RAM seems like plenty for 1080p output.

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I'm not going to fight with all of you, nor will I convince anyone on this forum. All I can say is give Android a try if you are curious. Its way more capable than what you imagine a phone can do. I use a Nexus 4, it doesn't have the latest specs but it has the best software. Find someone with a Nexus so you can see how Google Now personalizes its results.

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Maybe it's an age thing.  I can see pixels on an iPhone, but I can't see them on the DNA, which is the only 1080P phone I've played with.


Age has something to do with it. Also, there will be some people that have spectacular vision. I need correction, but with correction, I'm about 20/10.

How close one holds the device has a lot to do with it too. 300ppi is more than good for most people at about 12", 468 ppi gets pretty silly, you have to hold the device about 7.5" to get comparable performance.
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ARM is basically lying then. AFAIK, it was Nvidia that was really driving the wrongheaded notion that more cores result in better power efficiency, not really ARM. Nividia is rather impressive in its market-speak, and the tech media amplify it every time.

 

More cores CAN result in better power efficiency, if you mix low and high power cores and switch the high power ones off when not required.

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"IF THEY ONLY TRIED ANDROID, they'd hate the home button! They'd hate having a thin and light phone that fits in their jeans! They'd hate all of their favorite iOS apps! They'd hate the smooth iOS user experience! They'd hate not having to reboot their phone randomly throughout the day!"

ok - that's not constructive. you've never used a Nexus 4 then. nothing I can do here then.

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