HTC One features 4.7" 1080p display, quad-core CPU, Android 4.1.2 with Sense 5 UI - Page 3

 

It becomes overkill when you literally cannot see a difference. That's why televisions, for example, above SHV shouldn't ever be made; there's no point; humans can't see beyond that.

 

So... Apple is happy to see 200 million plus sales a year go to its competitors...

 

Thank you for the most stupid answer of the day.

 

Well, they literally can't make their devices faster. So they have to be at least content to see some go.

 

Why does building a bigger phone sacrifice Apple's brand? I'm sure Ive could design a larger phone that would blow any HTC or Samsung design out of the water.

 

Even if Apple garnered an extra 10 million sales a quarter with a larger phone it would be worth it. All it would take is for 6% of Apple's customers to shift to Android because they want a larger phone and 6% of Android's customers to shift to Apple because they want iOS but in a bigger format. Personally I think the shift from Android would be more like 10-12% for a larger iOS phone.

Not resolution. What's overkill is 450+ PPI for a screen display.

 

Funny, I gave the same answer to you a while back and you had exactly the opposite reply... something to the effect that Apple can always increase its quantity numbers.

 

That was stupid. It takes forever to build new factories and get them going. 

 

Of course it matters that it looks good. We already know that Android works suitably enough for well over 200 million people to buy an Android phone every year and if it actually looks good then it just gives people even more reason to buy one.

 

I seem to remember given you that reply as well. 

Thanks for pretending that in THAT post I said anything about the effect of appearance, specifically on purchases… 

 

This is fun. I don't even have to HAVE another side of whatever argument this is, since you're apparently just making it up for me.

Well, let's play a game.

Who knows more about Apple's business and design of systems? Apple (including Ive) or you?

How many guesses do you need?

 

 

I can play that game...

 

Who knows more about Apple's business and design of systems? Apple (including Ive) or you?

 

So... if Apple brings out a larger phone then let's go back to this conversation.

 

But you have to realize, 4.7" and 720p looks pretty crappy to me. I've seen those large screen Android phones and I can make out the pixels pretty clear as day (like the Galaxy S III) -- something that I can't do with my iPhone 5. For Android phones with large screen sizes, 1080p is the next logical step.

Going with something in between those two resolutions doesn't make sense.

 

No, what you asked was how does this phone up the ante.

 

I think it's fairly obvious that it ups the ante of larger phones by appearance alone and I was saying that I didn't expect you to give them credit for that.

 

Hell, as mentioned previously, we already know that hundreds of millions of people are satisfied enough with the Android phone OS that they continue to increase sales every year.

He is factually correct but not correct in spirit.

There are apps for iPhone which emulate the functionality of File Expert and AirDroid.

iTunes is the most popular media store and media management application in the world. Say what you will but the vox populi is clear.

Even if it's the same core, there can be advantages since power consumption is not linear. A 10% decrease in clock speed can reduce energy consumption by more than 10%. So if you had perfect CPU scaling, 4 CPUs at 1 GHz would be offer lower energy consumption and equal performance to 2 CPUs at 2 GHz. Unfortunately, scaling is not perfect. More importantly, that's not what HTC is doing. Someone above said they're running all 4 cores at 1.7 GHz - so the power consumption will be high.

Simple - when it no longer offers a benefit. More ppi means that your CPU and, especially, GPU have to work harder and consume more energy. The screen costs more. But once you have finer resolution than your eye can see, it no longer offers any benefit.

Apple's current iPhone is a retina display. That means that the pixels are small enough to be indistinguishable at normal viewing distance. Now, if you're going to argue that people will view their phones from a closer distance, then a higher ppi might make sense. Otherwise, there's no benefit and lots of disadvantages.

Well, I didn't ask you to do anything here. (Certainly not to try to convert me to an Android user).

You're just not getting it¡ 1080p on a phone means that your Blu-ray disks can play pixel-for-pixel on the phone. Surely they have a Blu-ray accessory for this device.
Edited by SolipsismX - 2/19/13 at 11:59am

 

As I stated a few posts up, I can make out the pixels on large screen android phones with 720p displays. 1080p displays (should) alleviate that.

 

If this thing has the horsepower to run the display, has decent battery life, and isn't a lagfest, more power to them. I'm not going to sit here and bitch them out for going that route. 

i thought this was a place for conversation - but i see it gets immature quickly here on AI - if you don't love everything apple does. (and as I said earlier - I've been using Macs for the last 15 years exclusively).

And you are jealous, and it shows.

To say it's overkill in and of itself is over the top but to not acknowledge how a significantly higher PPI affects the ASIC, the GPU, or power requirements is shortsighted. Apple is the only company that consistently considers all aspects of usability and doesn't put it before being able to win a gold medal at the Spec-ial Olympics.

I think 326 PPI will be with us awhile because it's already higher than nearly all people in the world can differentiate and to double it again to 652 PPI would put it in the range of the iPad (3)'s pixel count which already has a much larger ASIC, more power GPU, and much larger battery over the iPad 2 to make that display work. Eventually this will be feasible (note I didn't say possible) but today is not that day.

Funny, when Apple introduced the retina iPhone and retina MBP, all the complainers were saying just the opposite.

Many Androiders wouldn't have bought an iPhone any way. There are still more that were pushed to an android. Then there were others that bought into the BOGO events.

This phone while very nice will fail. Instead of making the DNA for VZW and the One for all other carriers they should have streamlined their offering to one device across all carriers. I would've even avoided ATT since over 80% of smartphone sales are iPhones.

It's called a HDMI cord.

 

I think you make valid points here. However, this thing has a next generation quad-core ARM design running at 1.7GHz coupled with 2GB of RAM. For comparison, the iPhone 5 is dual-core, ~1GHz I believe with 1GB of RAM. It definitely has the horsepower. Also, it has a 2300 mAh battery compared to 1440 mAh for the iPhone 5. Qualcomm is also touting a lot of power savings with this new design and the ability to throttle or turn off cores. It's also 28nm versus 32nm for the A6.

 

I'm not saying that it will be perfect (no smartphone is), but I'm willing to give them benefit... for now.

 

I just get annoyed when people talk in absolutes 

 

Oh, right, because some of these phones actually have MiniHDMI… 

Remember when they were saying how Samsung's PenTile displays were just as good and had a higher number of pixels. Remember when they were saying that Retina was overkill despite not being that much over what someone with 20/20(6/6) vision could see from a normal viewing distance…and yet now the iPhone has a crap display.

 

Actually, I can name two more fantastic apps that you will never get on iOS.  Tasker and Cyberus.  Tasker was the reason why I left iOS because it allowed me to have complete control over my phone based on geographical position and that was 3 years ago.

 

As for iTunes, can you browse iTunes on the web and buy things without actually having to install it?  I have tried and I cannot do it.  With Google play, I can surf iOS at work, buy apps and then remotely install them on whatever device I want (Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, etc..).  Very cool feature and I do not need to install and constantly updated a piece of software to do it (like iTunes seems to do).

 

So you've given up on them and are satisfied to let all 200+ million people per year use another OS.

 

Hmmm... not the way I'd do business and you can be damn sure not the way that Tim Cook does business either.

Who are VZW and ATT, and why should I care?  In what way do they determine the success or failure of this phone in the global marketplace?

Edited by cnocbui - 2/19/13 at 2:17pm

 

An average of about one update every two months is "constantly"? Why don't you want updated software? Why do you think you need to have the software updated?

So, is it basically the usual HTC with some hardware updates and "BlinkFeed" (what an awful name)? I don't see a software upgrade in this that makes me want to buy it over another Android device with similar hardware. These phones seem to have no differentiation, so buyers will just choose based on hardware specs.

The number of cores and cycle speed of the ARM processor are meaningless when it comes to the display. Same goes with the amount of RAM here because we're not talking about GPU RAM and if we were a lot still has to do with the memory bandwidth. We're also talking about disparate OSes and, at least with Apple, a custom SoC which means that it can do more with less RAM which helps the battery life. Check out AnandTech's review of the iPad (3). He clearly shows what Apple did to the ASIC to make it push over 3 million pixels to the display well.

Now this LG only has 2 million pixels to push so it doesn't need the same range but it's closer to the iPad than to the iPhone so can it get away without having a 128-bit quad-channel memory controller?

Clearly it's possible to add a larger this and that but how does it affect the other components and the overall usability? I'm not a gamer but I know that you can alter the game resolution to make the frame rates better or worse. We also know that Apple increased the battery by about 70% over the iPad 2 so it could maintain about the same battery life as before. You say that it has a 2400 mAh battery but that means nothing in and of itself.

So what is the performance and battery life of this device? IOW, was it smart for them to go so high up so they could maintain a 1920x1080 display on a phone? What is the cost for this one spec list item? My guess is that it won't be shown as a good trade off.


Yes, people should never talk in absolutes.

Is there a specific HTC model the iPhone 5 reminds you of?  I don't think this new HTC phone is a complete iPhone 5 ripoff (some would argue it looks Iike the new Blackberry) but aluminum with what appears to be chamfered edges does seem to take cues from the 5.

 

Is there any evidence for this whatsoever? In a real live device?

 

Tegra 3 did this. Did Tegra 3 devices end up being the longest lasting devices in the market?

 

If it is really useful, why doesn't Intel do this in their mobile processors?

Just the 2 biggest carriers in the biggest and growing smartphone market in the world. One can argue that VZW singlehandedly propelled Android to where it is today, and the same can be said of ATT and the iPhone. Can the same be said of any other carrier in the world?

Well the Sense UI adds a lot of functionality not common found on Android devices and with the agreement with Apple have functions that were removed from others.

I have said nothing of the sort: you're twisting this into something else. And now you've quoted the number of years you've (allegedly) used Macs. That doesn't matter to me because I don't judge you based on some fealty to Apple.

You came here and you told people to try Android, because you like Android. And I'm telling you that people like iPhones, and there's nothing wrong with that. I didn't ask to be 'saved' from iPhone. All the things that you perceive as iPhone's flaws, such as the home button, or boring UI, can also be perceived as strengths. But you won't hear any of that. And now you're caught up in reframing this discussion as "I'm a rational person who can appreciate Android, but I can't have 'conversation' about how awful iPhone is with all you 'immature' people unless I prove that I've used Macs for 15 years." That's the wrong way to look at this.