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post #41 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:40am
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It's a good thing the USA never does any of this stuff to other countries¡

Heh ....
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post #42 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:41am
Camouflage a drone as a meteor and make it fall on that building. It was nature's fault! j/k What would these hackers do if there were no flaws to exploit? China wants them busy hacking, not making babies, that's what.
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post #43 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:43am
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Retaliate? Do u seriously believe most governments are not doing the same thing?

No I do not.

 

I'm not talking about spying or gathering intel, everybody does that.

 

I'm talking about governments hacking into all sorts of businesses and companies on a wide scale level, stealing whatever info that they can. No, I do not believe that the US military hacks into hundreds of businesses across the world like a bunch of thieves to steal data. I don't believe that US military specialists are sitting around at the moment trying to hack into Apple or Facebook or any other company.

 

Now, if we're talking about a virus being placed on something like an Iranian nuke reactor system, that I can definitely believe that the US government would do, and I also think that they should. 

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post #44 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:45am
To this no proof claim I have to chuckle. There is always proof.
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post #45 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:50am
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To this no proof claim I have to chuckle. There is always proof.

It was a five year investigation, and they released a 74 page pdf. It seems pretty thorough.

 

http://intelreport.mandiant.com/Mandiant_APT1_Report.pdf

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post #46 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:52am
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Isn't that what we have drones for?

 

USA should remove all identifiable markings from drone weapons and replace with "Anonymous"! 1wink.gif 1biggrin.gif

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post #47 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:56am
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1confused.gif Where did that come from? I never claimed Apple was lying. I said IMO it was unlikely that nothing was taken. Even Apple doesn't say that, only that they aren't aware of anything. 

 

The reason for the Chinese hacking was to steal IP and other company data. I doubt it was just to pay a visit to Apple to show it could be done.


As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years.  Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early?  Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?

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post #48 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:56am
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USA should remove all identifiable markings from drone weapons and replace with "Anonymous"! 1wink.gif  1biggrin.gif

Even better - label the parts "made in North Korea", "Made in Iran" and a few other choice countries.
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post #49 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Curious that when other companies got hacked, it's because they deserved it, their systems have swiss cheese security, their software sucks, etc. But now that Apple got attacked, it's time to fight back against those hackers.

 

And where are the comments saying Apple doesn't need to fix anything because if people stopped trying to hack them, there would be no problem?

 

I feel for the plight of the inveterate iCrank, obliged to do battle with the incredibly fanatical Apple users in his head.....

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post #50 of 101
2/19/13 at 11:59am

SOT: So...what if I did disable Java on my intel orig. 20" iMac running SL? What would happen?

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post #51 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:10pm
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As your earlier link points out, the average hack from this group has been a long term affair, effecting its data theft over months or years.  Given the high profile nature of the Facebook breach, doesn't it seem possible or likely that companies such as Apple are on the lookout for telltale signs and might have caught this early?  Thus giving the hackers little time to implement their standard procedures for siphoning off data?

Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course. 

 

EDIT: It completely possible that it was Facebook who notified Apple that they were being hacked and their systems compromised, based on this linked article from Ars.

 

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/02/facebook-computers-compromised-by-zero-day-java-exploit/


Edited by Gatorguy - 2/19/13 at 12:38pm

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post #52 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by cherrypop View Post

...and the media will portray this as a malware attack against all Macs.

Seeing how the hackers got in using an exploit that evidentially at least some Macs have, it may as well have been. If other macs weren't vulnerable, I doubt Apple would be pushing this malware tool now, would they?
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post #53 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:29pm
Originally Posted by Cash907 View Post
If other macs weren't vulnerable, I doubt Apple would be pushing this malware tool now, would they?

 

They used Java. No, intelligent people aren't vulnerable. Apple pushes this because they have to.

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post #54 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:35pm
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They used Java. No, intelligent people aren't vulnerable. Apple pushes this because they have to.

Really? "intelligent people aren't vulnerable" you say? Please explain....

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post #55 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:36pm
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Great idea. Launch a couple of drones and then send them a message saying "oops. We're terribly sorry, but someone hacked our Defense systems and launched those drones by mistake".

 

Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."

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post #56 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:37pm
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Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course. 

 

Yet, you don't have any evidence that supports your implied assertion that Apple is lying to cover up a data loss. And, as usual in such a case with you, now you've have to backpedal, claim you didn't mean anything, and finally take refuge in the flimsy retort that it's all just 'opinions'.

 

A poor showing even from you.

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post #57 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:44pm
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Right. "Sorry, our DoD systems were hacked. First, we thought it was someone named "Joshua" but we later traced it back to China. Sorry. Hope we fixed the vulnerabilities so it doesn't happen to you, er, anyone, again."

 

So it was a self solving problem after all! :p

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post #58 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:47pm

This is strange how little info we have about Facebook vulnerability. I think its time for every IT to start blocking Facebook once for all.  Thank you Facebook was good until you got greedy and started to give away your users privacy and security to unsafe third parties. 

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post #59 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:50pm
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Apple should go Thermonuclear with China

Well, you laugh, but if the hack really did originate with a unit of the Chinese PLA, shouldn't we treat this as a hostile incursion of sovereign territory by a foreign army?
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post #60 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:52pm
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[" url="/t/156065/apple-attacked-by-chinese-hackers-mac-software-tool-coming-to-protect-consumers#post_2280297"]Yep, we know where the building is located and who is behind the attacks.

I say that we should retaliate big time. And then we can just play dumb and deny any involvement afterwards. When I say we, I mean the US of course.

This better be a damn sarcastic joke. If it's not...

You're exactly the kind of insane that has kept the USA in perpetual war for ages. Once the USA has made it a rule to respond to software attacks (which cause no damage to anything or anyone) with violence, physical destruction and death, will you be satisfied or will you be demanding to see such violence against 12-year-old script kiddies in the USA too? Do we really need to have buildings demolished, city infrastructure damaged, and non-combatants murdered in order to make you brats feel like you live in the most powerful nation on the planet? Why is it that violence appeals to you so much?

I really hope those comments about warfare against software hacks were just bad jokes. Sadly, there are plenty enough such comments made totally sincerely on the anonymous-coward playground of the Internet.
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post #61 of 101
2/19/13 at 12:56pm
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Just Blacklist all of their IP Addresses and be done with it....1smoking.gif

Not that simple. A hacker will often connect through one or more additional systems to hide their trail.

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post #62 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:02pm
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No I do not.

 

I'm not talking about spying or gathering intel, everybody does that.

 

I'm talking about governments hacking into all sorts of businesses and companies on a wide scale level, stealing whatever info that they can. No, I do not believe that the US military hacks into hundreds of businesses across the world like a bunch of thieves to steal data. I don't believe that US military specialists are sitting around at the moment trying to hack into Apple or Facebook or any other company.

 

Now, if we're talking about a virus being placed on something like an Iranian nuke reactor system, that I can definitely believe that the US government would do, and I also think that they should. 


The NSA hacked/spied on Airbus negotiations with a large potential customer and passed the information on to Boeing and McDonal Douglas to help them win the enormous contract.

 

Pot, Kettle, black.

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post #63 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:04pm
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
Well, you laugh, but if the hack really did originate with a unit of the Chinese PLA, shouldn't we treat this as a hostile incursion of sovereign territory by a foreign army?

 

Yes. Except we won't. And they'll just do it again.

 

The most reasonable recourse to this would be some form of economic sanction, except that won't happen either.

 

I mean, North Korea just did their third nuke and we didn't immediately cut off all exports to that country. China will get a free pass on this.

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post #64 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:10pm
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This better be a damn sarcastic joke. If it's not...

You're exactly the kind of insane that has kept the USA in perpetual war for ages. Once the USA has made it a rule to respond to software attacks (which cause no damage to anything or anyone) with violence, physical destruction and death, will you be satisfied or will you be demanding to see such violence against 12-year-old script kiddies in the USA too? Do we really need to have buildings demolished, city infrastructure damaged, and non-combatants murdered in order to make you brats feel like you live in the most powerful nation on the planet? Why is it that violence appeals to you so much?

I really hope those comments about warfare against software hacks were just bad jokes. Sadly, there are plenty enough such comments made totally sincerely on the anonymous-coward playground of the Internet.

Lighten up Francis. No one is going to physical war over this. They call it cyber warfare for a reason. Every country that is capable is already in the game. They really want to know what the new Mac Pros are going to look like.
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post #65 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:24pm
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[" url="/t/156065/apple-attacked-by-chinese-hackers-mac-software-tool-coming-to-protect-consumers/30#post_2280399"]Not now of course.

But who knows what will happen in the future, in maybe a decade or two from now?

Any communist government is a criminal enterprise, as far as I'm concerned, and eventually down the road, they might be looking for a real fight.
Your xenophobic chest-thumping is comical.
The US does not partipate in cyber warfare?
Really? Do you read the news? I don't count Fox as news.
Hear about the Iranian nuclear facilities being targeted, these were US and Israeli created viruses.
But hey, it's Iran, so it's okay.
To you the US is good and EVERY other country is evil, what a warped view.

You do realize that the US using nukes will most likely start WW III, don't you? I know you prefer all people in Palestine to be killed (one of your old posts on a different thread), so now you hate everyone, including your fellow Americans? I don't get your warped silly thinking.
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post #66 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:28pm
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Of course it's possible. After reading a couple of news articles and the detailed Mandiant report about Chinese intrusions at other high-profile companies I personally don't think it likely the hacker group failed to get anything of value from Apple. If you feel they couldn't have then yours is just as valid an opinion of course. 

 

EDIT: It completely possible that it was Facebook who notified Apple that they were being hacked and their systems compromised, based on this linked article from Ars.

 

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/02/facebook-computers-compromised-by-zero-day-java-exploit/

 

Ask the Attorney General of California...

 

California law requires a business or state agency to notify any California resident whose unencrypted personal information, as defined, was acquired, or reasonably believed to have been acquired, by an unauthorized person. (California Civil Code s. 1798.29(a) and California Civ. Code s. 1798.82(a))

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post #67 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:41pm
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That's it's unlikely Apple didn't have any data taken just as the others did? In my opinion yes sir, linked in my previous post. It's being reported that at least 115 companies, most based in the US, have fallen victim with 100's of terabytes taken. These aren't short term attacks according to the report. The New York Times says their cyber-intrusion continued for 4 months before it was discovered. Facebook just became aware of their "Chinese hack" a couple of days ago. 

Both the Facebook and Apple intrusions were reported in the past few days.  It's possibly due to a Presidential order last week allowing US intelligence agencies to share what they know about active cyber-intrusions with private companies.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/12/3982302/president-obama-signs-cybersecurity-order
You accuse Apple of lying, yet in your opinion Google can do no wrong. even when they lie.
Why your concern on this supposedly stolen data? I don't see you writing post after post on the stolen data from Android devices. How come? A good guess would be that there are so many that's it's impossible to do so?
Thanks for your concern.
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post #68 of 101
2/19/13 at 1:52pm
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Ask the Attorney General of California...

 

California law requires a business or state agency to notify any California resident whose unencrypted personal information, as defined, was acquired, or reasonably believed to have been acquired, by an unauthorized person. (California Civil Code s. 1798.29(a) and California Civ. Code s. 1798.82(a))

I am not taking sides...BUT the machines that were affected were DEV (development) machines. Dev machines and production machines are always segmented from eachother. This way if a dev code goes wrong or has some unexpected result it will not affect production machines. So any information gathered from these machines would not have Apple users accounts information in them. BUT they might have good dev insights.....but Apple would not be required to report that.

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post #69 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:12pm
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They used Java. No, intelligent people aren't vulnerable. Apple pushes this because they have to.


Some of the vulnerable victims are Apple engineers, no? So they are not that intelligent? :?

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post #70 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:15pm
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Well, you laugh, but if the hack really did originate with a unit of the Chinese PLA, shouldn't we treat this as a hostile incursion of sovereign territory by a foreign army?


Could be. How does it compare to sending drones into another country in the name of killing terrorists but also taking out civilians from time to time?

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post #71 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:20pm
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Your xenophobic chest-thumping is comical.
The US does not partipate in cyber warfare?
Really? Do you read the news? I don't count Fox as news.
Hear about the Iranian nuclear facilities being targeted, these were US and Israeli created viruses.
But hey, it's Iran, so it's okay.
To you the US is good and EVERY other country is evil, what a warped view.

You do realize that the US using nukes will most likely start WW III, don't you? I know you prefer all people in Palestine to be killed (one of your old posts on a different thread), so now you hate everyone, including your fellow Americans? I don't get your warped silly thinking.

What are you going to do about it, other than misrepresent what (supposedly all) Americans think, as if the entire country was united under one stereotype (of chest-thumping xenophobes)?
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post #72 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:25pm
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Could be. How does it compare to sending drones into another country in the name of killing terrorists but also taking out civilians from time to time?

You mean how do I feel about drone strikes not being 100% perfectly surgical? I don't get how it relates to the rest of this thread.
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post #73 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:28pm
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This better be a damn sarcastic joke. If it's not...

I really hope those comments about warfare against software hacks were just bad jokes. Sadly, there are plenty enough such comments made totally sincerely on the anonymous-coward playground of the Internet.


You are taking the anonymous-coward playground of the Internet waaaay too seriously. It's a playground.
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post #74 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:32pm
This is right out of Tom Clancy's latest novel. Time to get Jack Ryan Jr., John Clark sand the Campus to save the day. Read "Threat Vector", it has the Chinese "cyber attacking" the US from a large office building in China!!!
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post #75 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:33pm

Trying to decide… move to PO or get rid of all the political crap and nonsensical future predictions of wars…

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post #76 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:51pm
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Trying to decide… move to PO or get rid of all the political crap and nonsensical future predictions of wars…


Consider that the horror of PO might shock some posters into never bringing up politics again....

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post #77 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:54pm
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You accuse Apple of lying, yet in your opinion Google can do no wrong. even when they lie.

Not what I said at all, as you already knew since you've read the thread. 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/156065/apple-attacked-by-chinese-hackers-mac-software-tool-coming-to-protect-consumers#post_2280375

 

I've noticed the several attempts you've made to troll me in the past two days. Continue on if you wish, but it still won't work. I've been around here awhile.

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post #78 of 101
2/19/13 at 2:58pm
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Trying to decide… move to PO or get rid of all the political crap and nonsensical future predictions of wars…

Yeah, there's not a whole lot keeping this thread on topic. The naysayers are NOT defending nor condoning what the Chinese hackers have allegedly done, just using the opportunity to call Americans hypocrites or whatever. It's the equivalent of arguing, "but Americans hack foreign powers, too! Or America does evil so therefore...Apple deserves to be hacked." Or some such nonsense.
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2/19/13 at 3:35pm
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Just Blacklist all of their IP Addresses and be done with it....1smoking.gif

That would be one method however it would have to be done by the government at the highest level of the router tables. A private company could block the IPs but foreign nationals in the US would still be able to set up local proxy servers to circumvent the blacklist.

 

Too bad the US saw it fit to give away the Internet. If Internic still had control it could be easily accomplished however now a ban would probably be considered a violation of international law and a complaint would be filed at the UN. The UN already wants to take even more control over the Internet.

 

In my opinion the Internet should be similar to the visa system. Block all foreign access until a request is submitted to our embassy in their country and after being approved, their IP address would be unblocked.

 

I can dream, right?

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post #80 of 101
2/19/13 at 3:52pm

New reports tonight say the Obama administration is formulating a proper response.

 

US ready to strike back against China cyberattacks

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20130219/c9026228-45b8-48eb-9d0a-29e2c49399d6

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