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Unfortunately Sony has an extremely hostile attitude with respect to the owners of the hardware it sells and thus I never bought into the system.  Too many broken promises, deleted features and scuttling any sort of Linux support pretty much reduced any versatility the platform could of had to zilch.  

Here is the the thing Sonys past practices mean I'm very reluctant to buy into PS4 either.   This is especially the case since the arrival of iPad.   iPad handles the light gaming I might want to do, supports web access brilliantly, runs more apps than you can shake a stick at and is portable.  So I just don't see a future for PS4 at my place.   

I find myself agreeing with these points. As a burned PS3 owner, I swore off ever buying another Sony SCE product. They're just trying to spec their way back to the top.

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post #42 of 105

I honestly feel they are focusing too much on gamers.  No mention of media capabilities. No mention of it even having a bluray drive.

 

tablets are continuing to outsell consoles. At least the 720 rumors state it will have many media features. The rumored specs even have an hdmi in which could mean dvr capabilities . Something that if apple doesn't expand on its appletv you can have a 720 connected to your tv and still have an apple ipad and apple iphone.

 

 I feel Sony is taking a Huge risk by only mentioning games.

post #43 of 105

I don't believe they haven't showed the friggin ps4

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I am betting most of those games will be above a $59.99 price point.  Mostly likely adding at least $5 maybe $10 bucks more each...

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I don't believe they haven't showed the friggin ps4


I know, TWO HOURS of TWATS talking bollocks and ending with 'PS4 - Holiday 2013' ????????

post #46 of 105
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Frankly I'm not a big gamer but was somewhat interested when the PS3 came out.  Mainly because it looked like a device that could serve multiple needs.   That is a BluRay player, game machine, network access device and a Linux platform.   Unfortunately Sony has an extremely hostile attitude with respect to the owners of the hardware it sells and thus I never bought into the system.  Too many broken promises, deleted features and scuttling any sort of Linux support pretty much reduced any versatility the platform could of had to zilch.  

May I ask how this is any different that what Apple does, they add/remove features as they please.

And please, that other os crap is getting real old, 99.99% of PS3 users didn't care about it, and the numerous features added to the PS3 in it's lifespan far outweigh the removal of this hardly used feature
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I find myself agreeing with these points. As a burned PS3 owner, I swore off ever buying another Sony SCE product. They're just trying to spec their way back to the top.

How were you burned?
post #48 of 105
Anyone want to buy my PS3? Not that I'm going to buy a PS4. I've lost my love for Sony and have had an affair with Apple these last 3 years. Sorry Sony... It wasn't working out... Hope you have a good life...

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post #49 of 105

How can you have an 'Unveilling' event and not even show it?????
 

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Not impressed. Specs and promises? Heard them all before. This thing will be out of date the moment it hits the market. PCs and Macs will continually evolve; this thing will be frozen in the year 2013, FOREVER.

Yes but consoles are where many a innovative game turn up. While PC gamers were playing crappy DOOM and Half-Life console gamers were playing Tomb Raider and Resident Evil.
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post #51 of 105
The PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360.
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tablets are continuing to outsell consoles.

And loaves of bread are continuing to outsell tablets


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 I feel Sony is taking a Huge risk by only mentioning games.

They didn't only mention games, they were talking about video streaming at one point I looked
post #53 of 105
But why does it take them so long to actually show the actual PS 4?
post #54 of 105
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How can you have an 'Unveilling' event and not even show it?????
 

 

The same reason they are waiting on TSMC/GlobalFoundries to stamp out 20nm FinFET on those SoC APU solutions.

 

Lots of wafer production starting in Q3 2013 from GlobalFoundries: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GlobalFoundries-7nm-processing-Common-Platform-14nm-XM-10nm-XM,21050.html

 

They've already produced their roadmap down to 7nm FinFET in 2015.

 

Tons of information pertinent to Sony, Apple and other SoC systems: http://technews.tmcnet.com/news/2013/02/10/6914082.htm

 

Since TSMC, GlobalFoundries and Samsung co-developed these solutions lots of stuff needs to be ready for large scale production.

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But why does it take them so long to actually show the actual PS 4?

Because they haven't finalized box design yet? I/O features like number of USB ports, card readers, wired and wireless connectivity options...

When you think of it... They were also vague about insides as well. x86 architecture, multi-core, AMD APU... but no actual specs. Graphics are expected to be somewhere between ATI 7850 and 7870, and CPU can be both 4-core and 8-core, with unknown clock speed.

Sony might be doing this intentionally, not wanting gamers to focus on hardware specs, but on content.

But also... Sony might leave themselves enough space, 6 months down the path, to put inside better hardware without breaking compatibility, which is one of beauties in using standard x86 architecture. Current prototypes may be running on, say, 4-core A10 APU, but as long as there is pin-compatibility, final product might end up with (fictional) A20 APU with 8 cores and improved graphics.

I think Sony played this fine, if I am correct. They gave us idea of what PS4 is going to be hardware wise, but haven't already locked themselves solid in configuration that MS can proclaim inferior is a few months, when X720 is announced.
post #56 of 105

2+ hours and not even a picture of the PS4? I guess it's ironic that there was so much blue on stage today.

 

Presentation 101: show me something.

 

The day of $59+ games is over. The experience of playing a game close up on a sheet of glass proved satisfactory for most. I'll be sticking with my iPad for gaming and enjoying the experience and prices.

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Anyone want to buy my PS3? Not that I'm going to buy a PS4. I've lost my love for Sony and have had an affair with Apple these last 3 years. Sorry Sony... It wasn't working out... Hope you have a good life...

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post #58 of 105

I really don't think there is any comparison at all between Apple and Sony with respect to the versatility of the hardware.   Just sit back and look at the breath of apps. Available for iPad, the many book stores, web access tools and other things not seen onPS3.  

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May I ask how this is any different that what Apple does, they add/remove features as they please.

And please, that other os crap is getting real old, 99.99% of PS3 users didn't care about it, and the numerous features added to the PS3 in it's lifespan far outweigh the removal of this hardly used feature

The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.   It might not have been important to you but it was a potential justification for me and many others.  To put it simply I have a hard time justifying single use expensive devices.  That is very much what the PS3 became.   Contrast that with an iPad wich is probably the most versatile device I've ever owned.  Frankly I wouldn't t be surprised to see iPad out performing this PS4 machine by 2015 

 

Beyond all of that; the reality is that the "99.99% of PS3 users" is a tiny and shrinking pool to rely on business wise.    The PlayStation franchise is dying on the vine.  This is not a forward looking solution that is needed for a rebirth of the product.  

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2+ hours and not even a picture of the PS4? I guess it's ironic that there was so much blue on stage today.

Presentation 101: show me something.

The day of $59+ games is over. The experience of playing a game close up on a sheet of glass proved satisfactory for most. I'll be sticking with my iPad for gaming and enjoying the experience and prices.

This was more about how PS4 will change the way people play, than about physical aspect of console itself. I think they showed some good stuff there: Game streaming, remote play, remote game assistance, gameplay footage sharing, playing partially downloaded games, some other social aspects.
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Some people lose their gaming mojo earlier than others. Some never get it in a first place. It's all good.

Not playing the right games is the leading cause of both.
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post #61 of 105
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I really don't think there is any comparison at all between Apple and Sony with respect to the versatility of the hardware.   Just sit back and look at the breath of apps. Available for iPad, the many book stores, web access tools and other things not seen onPS3.  
The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.   It might not have been important to you but it was a potential justification for me and many others.  To put it simply I have a hard time justifying single use expensive devices.  That is very much what the PS3 became.   Contrast that with an iPad wich is probably the most versatile device I've ever owned.  Frankly I wouldn't t be surprised to see iPad out performing this PS4 machine by 2015 

Beyond all of that; the reality is that the "99.99% of PS3 users" is a tiny and shrinking pool to rely on business wise.    The PlayStation franchise is dying on the vine.  This is not a forward looking solution that is needed for a rebirth of the product.  

I don't recall that Sony promised support for Linux for the PS3 lifetime. Have they done that (and still cancelled Linux), I think they would be destroyed by lawsuits. Not because that many people were using Linux, but because many people are opportunistic enough to go for free buck, if they can.

Number of gamers interested in dedicated platform with high-quality offering and other services is not as high as number of tablet users, but so what? Neither is number of Macbooks sold these days as high as number of iPads. You can be niche and still be lucrative. Not that I think that console gaming is niche; it is only being balanced across number of platforms, without any current platform having exclusivity iPad enjoyed for a few years.

iPad is versatile, but it does not excel in every usage scenario. In some, it is only meh. I'm yet to know PC/console gamer who dropped his games for tablet gaming, albeit most of them do have tablet, and almost all have smartphone.
post #62 of 105
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I really don't think there is any comparison at all between Apple and Sony with respect to the versatility of the hardware.   Just sit back and look at the breath of apps. Available for iPad, the many book stores, web access tools and other things not seen onPS3.  

What about the fact that Apple controls the software and hardware, and can roll out new versions of iOS that drop features of the previous version, which is exactly what you said about Sony
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The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.   It might not have been important to you but it was a potential justification for me and many others.  To put it simply I have a hard time justifying single use expensive devices.  That is very much what the PS3 became.   Contrast that with an iPad wich is probably the most versatile device I've ever owned.  Frankly I wouldn't t be surprised to see iPad out performing this PS4 machine by 2015 

How did Sony lie about Linux? They supported it, game pirates made use of it, they announced they were getting rid of it. If you used it, then you could have left your PS3 on 3.20, or you could have purchased a PC and installed Linux on it, a 2010 PC with Linux would have been a lot better than running it on a PS3.

And what is single use about the PS3? It is far from single use, and isn't expensive.

And what does it matter if the iPad is faster at some point, content is king
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Beyond all of that; the reality is that the "99.99% of PS3 users" is a tiny and shrinking pool to rely on business wise.    The PlayStation franchise is dying on the vine.  This is not a forward looking solution that is needed for a rebirth of the product.  

Sorry? I said that 0.01% of the PS3 users actually cared about the other OS, how did you manage to turn that around?
post #63 of 105
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I honestly feel they are focusing too much on gamers.  No mention of media capabilities. No mention of it even having a bluray drive.

tablets are continuing to outsell consoles. At least the 720 rumors state it will have many media features. The rumored specs even have an hdmi in which could mean dvr capabilities . Something that if apple doesn't expand on its appletv you can have a 720 connected to your tv and still have an apple ipad and apple iphone.

 I feel Sony is taking a Huge risk by only mentioning games.

You probably missed some of it.

Hulu, Netflix, Sony's own music and video streaming services were mentioned. Number of other services were shown on screen, but I didn't really pay attention.

No details about local media playback, but even PS3 can play MP4, AVI, MP3... from local storage or local network, so it is pretty much expected to be here as well. With dedicated logic for background file transfers, they can add more functionality. You should be able to stream Netflix to, say, big screen, while remote-playing game from your tablet or PS Vita. How many of such features will they include, time will tell.
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And loaves of bread are continuing to outsell tablets
They didn't only mention games, they were talking about video streaming at one point I looked

Good one 1wink.gif

And number of junk food burgers outsell number of good quality meals in Italian restaurant managed by top chef. Which is pretty much where tablet and smartphone games stand against console and PC games, on average.
post #65 of 105

this guy at Forbes nails it:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/02/20/ps4-this-looks-familiar/

 

let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?

 

so what?

 

the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.

 

pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.

 

looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.

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DOA. Nobody cares about consoles anymore... the future of gaming is in mobile platforms.
Call me old school, but I enjoyed my Atari 2600 much more than my Playstation or Wii. Do you know why? Because focus was on gameplay and not graphics, and it was simple. A stick and a button. I could never get into the newer consoles with all these buttons and combos to do different things. Too complicated. The touch based games that are coming out for IOS devices kind of bring simplicity and enjoyment back to gaming for me.

Nobody? Really?

Since PS2 was introduced 12 years ago, around 660,000,000 consoles were sold worldwide (Google is your friend here). I didn't go down further, as older consoles are probably out of use, most of them anyway... but there are still a lot of PS2 consoles running at homes, and everything that came in after that - Wii, PS3, X360, modern portables. Would that really be "nobody"? Or are you making a bit uneducated guess here?
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this guy at Forbes nails it:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/02/20/ps4-this-looks-familiar/

let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?

so what?

the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.

pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.

looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.

I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.

PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.

That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?

In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.
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How were you burned?

 

The 3.x firmware updates can brick the blu-ray drive on an original first-gen ("fat") PS3--the very early models with either 20GB or 60GB HDDs (the ones that contained the Emotion Engine chip)--and Sony refuses to acknowledge the problem and pay for repairs:

http://consumerist.com/2010/12/06/sonys-firmware-updates-kill-my-ps3-sony-wants-repair-fee/

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3-Support/New-Firmware-3-50-killed-my-BLU-RAY-drive/td-p/30372098

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/Support-General/Firmware-update-3-56-causing-my-PS3-to-not-recognize-Blu-ray/td-p/30915151

 

The current "slim" PS3 doesn't have this issue with the 3.x firmware.

 

This happened to my first-gen "fat" PS3 10 minutes after upgrading, and no update since then has addressed the problem. I can't play *any* blu-ray media (game or movie) for more than 10-15 minutes before I get an error screen. Since the version 3 firmware was issued after the warranty period ended, and the upgrade is MANDATORY (Sony demands that you update firmware OR else lose the ability to run newer games), Sony bricked my PS3 and expects ME to pay for repairs? The alternative explanation is that it's all a coincidence, and the blu-ray drives that are getting bricked had a 2.5 year lifespan anyway, which is not much better an explanation. As a Sony customer, and an early adopter to boot, I deserved better.

 

Say what you will about Microsoft, but at the end of the day, for all their Xbox 360 customers who experienced the RRoD, they did right by them. At least they admitted the RRoD issue, and paid for repairs, up to 3 years after the date or original purchase.

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post #69 of 105
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I'd bet you didn't really watch this. Good part of it was about social aspects of PS4 and evolution of PSN. Integration of console with phones, tablets and computers was mentioned. Media streaming.

PS4 will be multi-purpose living room device. Even PS3 is, albeit with lots of space for improvement.

That Forbes guy is trolling. A non-gamer trying to be smart about something he does not understand. Where were killer features of iPad 2 compared to iPad one? A bit slimmer. A bit lighter. A Bit faster. Only improvements. Has it killed iPad 2 success?

In addition, PS4 is getting number of new features, compared to PS3. Remote play. Game streaming. Friend help invite. And hardware that could be capable to provide real MMO games on PS4, something PS3 and X360 just couldn't.

no i didn't watch. it goes on and on. there is no press release i can find with a summary.

 

the PS3 can do a lot of non-gaming stuff, yes, but often poorly as you note. few use it as their primary non-gaming ecosystem interface. if the PS4 doesn't make that great somehow, it can never compete with the rest - Apple, Amazon, Google, MS, et al. Sony's tablets and phones are distant also-rans in their markets. and is their ecosystem Sony's or Google's?

 

the just announced iOS app for the PS4 is a big step in the right direction tho. if Sony had sense they would cut a deal with Apple to integrate all their hardware with the iOS ecosystem - apps, AirPlay, everything. most of their products Apple does not compete with. and then ditch their Android and Windows gadgets, where they are just one of many OEM's in a race to the bottom.

 

but they won't. they aren't desperate enough - yet.

post #70 of 105
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I honestly feel they are focusing too much on gamers. 

 

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tablets are continuing to outsell consoles.

 

 

 

the PlayStation 4 is a game console so, of course, a primary focus is on games.

 

tablets and consoles exist in different markets so it was rather pointless to bring up the "tablets are continuing to outsell consoles" foolishness.

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The proble is Sony basically lied about thier intentions with respect to Linux.   

 

no.

 

to understand the 'Other OS' feature requires looking back more than a decade ago.

 

for awhile Sony has stated their game consoles were more computer than console.  with the PlayStation 2, sold in Europe, the device shipped with Yabasic, a free and open source BASIC interpreter.  with the right tools, one could actually write and execute rudimentary program code on the console.  Sony added the interpreter in order to avoid the extra tariffs imposed on 'non-computer devices' sold in PAL regions.  once the tariff was dropped, because the line between computer and electronic entertainment device was blurring, Sony no longer needed to ship Yabasic with the PS2 sold in Europe.

 

with the PlayStation 3, the inclusion of the 'Other OS' feature was likely a defensive (but unnecessary) measure for sales to be unperturbed with any extra tariffs.  when firmware 3.2 removed the 'Other OS' feature some people launched in class action suit against Sony.  the people lost because Sony is not and was never found to be obligated to support 'Other OS' beyond the warranty period.  changes applied by firmware 3.2 were allegedly made to make it more difficult to run 'unsigned' binaries on the PS3.

post #72 of 105

I like the idea of using video streaming for game previews. It might not be good enough for full playing but just for a 5 min preview game it could work. I wonder if Apple could deploy something like that on the iTunes Store.

post #73 of 105
Big freaking deal. Sony can kiss my a**!
I was waiting for Monster Hunters for the Vita and it never arrived. Them clowns at Nintendo have it but there is no way I'm getting a DS to play MH. F*** that!
Have any of you been to Best Buy lately and seen Sony's consumer stuff? GARBAGE.
They currently have a big ole pair of headphones for $269.00 with the build quality of a 99 cent store toy. OMFG!
Oh, it's in a great looking package , which is the marketing trend these days. Package up bs headphones in a pretty box and slap the bitch with an out of this world price tag. G-T-F-O!
post #74 of 105

Sony went with the AMD GCN based SoC Jaguar [Bobcat Low Power APU with a 7800 series GPGPU]. Very nice. Jaguar is a 28nm SoC APU structure.

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this guy at Forbes nails it:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/02/20/ps4-this-looks-familiar/

 

let's suppose it's a great game console with great games, and really integrates well with the so-far flop Vita. so great, Sony beats ... Nintendo?

 

so what?

 

the future is multi-purpose ecosystems, not stand alone anything, including game consoles. even MS gets this, and you can expect the upcoming XBox 720 to be hyped as the home media/social hub, not a mere game console.

 

pure gaming is devolving into a niche market with limited potential. it won't go away, no, but it's glory days are over.

 

looks like Sony is still trying to win the last war instead of tomorrow's. that is Doom.

 

They've announced mirroring second screen extension to iOS.

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I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices. I think the presentation itself was not interesting. Too much talk. But I like what they are offering in PS4. I am fine with them not showing the console. I bet they are still working on the design. The addressed most everything I want the next PS to have. The one thing that disappoint was the lack of PS3 compatibility. I was also hoping for Battlefield 4 demo.. but that didn't happen.

 

They needed to show this now to give developers access to the device and have games ready when this thing is out.

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I don't know why the PS3/PS4 is being compared to the iPad by some people here! They are completely different devices.

They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.

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They do effect each other's value proposition though. When consoles originally came out, the value proposition was that you could play games without having to know anything about computers and without having to spend a lot of money. But nowadays that's true of phones and tablets, and everyone already has one.

 

When consoles came out.. 20 years ago. It has been different story lately. Console games are much more expensive now. The choice for majority of people now is not whether to buy an iPad or a PS3 for games. People buy PS3 because they want to play games, watch netflix, and want BR/DVD to watch the movies they collected over the years. They want to do this on their 40"+ HD TV, which they can't do with an iPad unless they buy an Apple TV.

 

IMO, AppleTV is much more threat to PlayStation than the iPad. I personally believe console gaming is perfect fit for Apple.


Edited by NasserAE - 2/21/13 at 12:31am
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When consoles came out.. 20 years ago. It has been different story lately. Console games are much more expensive now. The choice for majority of people now is not whether to buy an iPad or a PS3 for games. People buy PS3 because they want to play games, watch netflix, and want BR/DVD to watch the movies they collected over the years. They want to do this on their 40"+ HD TV, which they can't do with an iPad unless they buy an Apple TV.

IMO, AppleTV is much more threat to PlayStation than the iPad. I personally believe console gaming is perfect fit for Apple.

Apple TV, no. New device that would integrate features of Apple TV, with much more potent hardware, storage, gaming-oriented peripherals? Maybe. Though I'd still be surprised. Apple brand means nothing among "serious" gamers. Apple hasn't got developers for exclusives. And such Apple device would not cost $100 like Apple TV. Being Apple, it would look awesome but also cost likely more than competition.

Who do you think would really buy it?
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This happened to my first-gen "fat" PS3 10 minutes after upgrading, and no update since then has addressed the problem. I can't play *any* blu-ray media (game or movie) for more than 10-15 minutes before I get an error screen. Since the version 3 firmware was issued after the warranty period ended, and the upgrade is MANDATORY (Sony demands that you update firmware OR else lose the ability to run newer games), Sony bricked my PS3 and expects ME to pay for repairs? The alternative explanation is that it's all a coincidence, and the blu-ray drives that are getting bricked had a 2.5 year lifespan anyway, which is not much better an explanation. As a Sony customer, and an early adopter to boot, I deserved better.

That's no good, but people often wonder why some countries have such strong consumer laws…

I have a first-gen European fat PS3, still working great with 4.31
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